What would you do to rescue tennis in the next 3-10 years?

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  1. nikdom

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    I'm watching Shapovalov for the first time, playing Zverev in the semis of the Rogers MC, and I'm unimpressed by this nextgen.... this is supposed to the latest and greatest? Such boring, uninspired tennis!

    I think past the Roger/Rafa/Djoko generation, men's tennis will need something really miraculous to happen to save it from this crap.


    What would you do to save the game if you had the choice?
     
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  2. ghostofMecir

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    Cryogenically freeze Fedr and bring him back out in 2027.
     
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    Get rid of seedings.
     
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    Federer never retires
     
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  5. nikdom

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    One idea is to have an intervention for the most talented, stylistically varied young(er) players - Kyrgios, Tomic, Dolgo, Nishikori.

    Nishikori needs a physical break to work on his body. Perhaps he needs some more strengthening, therapy... whathaveyou so he can come back not so fragile.

    Tomic and Kyrgios need to be suspended for some reason for a couple of years. I think it'll give them enough time away from the game to get the crap out of their system and appreciate the sport and their gifts more. (perhaps a sabbatical at the Nadal academy under Uncle Toni's no-B.S tutelage before returning to the game?)

    Players like Dolgo, Dustin Brown etc I'm not sure... perhaps wildcards into main draws?
     
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  6. Shank Volley

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    Use lighter balls so that when these young guns try to grind they end up accidentally hitting winners.
     
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  7. TennisRookie

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    Truly an ATG idea
     
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  8. reaper

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    The problem for tennis would have been if either Murray or Djokovic couldn't be forced out by young players, or if Raonic got to the very top. There's plenty of talent coming through aged 20 and under, so whatever problem there is is not as bad as it looked a couple of weeks ago.
     
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  9. kabob

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    I'm praying that Shapovalov, Thiem and Zverev fully develop their net games, court strategy and shot selection. And Nick Kyrgios somehow finds the inspiration to give a sh@t about tennis. Besides them, I don't see all that interesting a brand of tennis coming from the rest of the youngsters.
     
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  10. reaper

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    How many have you seen? I looked at the rankings a couple of weeks ago...there were 2 teenagers in the top 100 but another 8 in the top 200...so you'd expect those guys to come through onto the ATP circuit in the next 12 months. Most of them I've never seen play.
     
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  11. kabob

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    I've seen most of them besides the ones I mentioned, including Chung, Fritz, Rubin, Rublev, Bublik, Tiafoe, Pouille, Kachanov and a few others I'm missing right off the top of my head. Most of them play similar robotic styles lacking in point construction and all-court prowess and rely heavily on serving and grinding. A bunch of them have god-awful forehand technique using extreme grips and abbreviated herky-jerky motions. The only exception is Pouille but that guy's got the typical French mentality of flashy play over sustained results.
     
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  12. ollinger

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    Tennis will be fine. Plenty of fun watching matches like the Thiem -- Schwartzman match a few days ago.
     
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    The generations come and go, that's all. Maybe more attention to promoting attacking tennis would be useful. As with football, defensive styles can bore.
     
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    Rename tennis to Fedalis. Rank players based on how good they're w.r.t Fedal.
     
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    It'll be fine. Nothing will ever be as bad as the sh*t Murrovic period we had to suffer through for years.
     
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  17. Shank Volley

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    But but but Djokovic is so aggressive and their games are so different that it's an exciting contrast.

    On a more serious note, I do respect the self-awareness of most Murray fans. They know he's overly defensive but they embrace it, and just savour those moments of touch around the net and creative spin. The random injections of pace that Murray puts into his shots maybe once every couple games actually look more impressive because you sort of settle into the slower rhythm.
     
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    Nishikori needs to drop Chang and add Roger Rasheed. That man can bulk him up really good. Would like to see what he did to Hewitt in 2005 to Nishikori.
     
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    Interesting. I love the way Rasheed tries to get players to focus their minds and bodies with their training and match prep. And despite him failing to get head cases like Monfils and Dimitrov to hone their games, I think Nishikori has the mentality to benefit under Rasheed's tutelage.
     
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    Actually, some poaster, I think @Blocker, already had tennis renamed to Sampras. I can't find the thread. Seems to have been deleted.

    But there are some more like this:
    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...onship-trophy-the-pete-sampras-trophy.555362/
    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...s-mens-singles-trophy-the-sampras-cup.555296/
    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/name-the-wtf-trophy-the-sampras-trophy-ffs.555459/
     
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  21. reaper

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    I agree there are some ugly techniques in the players you've listed. Some of them are a little older (21/22) than the players I had in mind. This will depend on the current top 5 all being gone, but I wouldn't be surprised if the top 10 at the end of 2020 had an average age of 23. Players like Kyrgios, Thiem, Kokkinakis, Zverev, Khachanov at the older end of the spectrum, with most of the remaining places being taken by players who are currently teenagers. Other than Shapovalov this week I haven't seen enough of the young players to identify which ones but suspect I'll see a lot more of them in the next 12 months as they make their way on to the main tour. Having older players dominate the rankings is a new and I suspect temporary thing. The average age of the top 10 at the end of 2008 was 24 and I don't recall a time when high ranked players looked more vulnerable than they do now.
     
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  22. Sabratha

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    He was documented as going from 70 kgs (155 lbs) to 80 kgs (177 lbs) and although his power increased he wasn't able to keep up the training after 2005.

    When he returned in 2006 he had lost the weight he'd gained.

    I don't see it really helping Nishikori that much, although he would probably enjoy slightly more consistent results. I think working on his serve could help him actually, would allow him to hold in more service games.
     
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  23. True Fanerer

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    Be aggressive come forward more perfect your serve stay fit
     
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  24. reaper

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    Rasheed might be useful as a fitness trainer but having heard him commentate I get the feeling you could write on the back of a postage stamp what he knows about tennis. Loves to use 50 words where 5 would do.
     
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    Yeah, too bad he couldn't kept it up. That was like peak (physicality/fit wise) Hewitt.
     
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    It would probably give Nishikori a broader understanding before matches. Like getting his mentality in the right mind set before a big match. Nishikori isn't the best 'big match' kind of player. He usually gets too nervous and starts bad which he sometimes end up losing the match.
     
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    Yeah I remember that.
     
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    If I were ruler of all of tennis I'd ban polyester strings and limit racquet head size to 95 sq. in.

    I go to junior tournaments practically every weekend in and around DC, MD, VA and to watch these age groups from 10 and up run around backhands all day long just to hit big dipping forehands is depressing. And they can hit them. The strings bring the ball down and huge sweet spots on these racquets makes it easy to pull off.
     
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    Nope, tennis will be saved when the dinasours die out and the younger start to win and inspire younger viewers and more interest for the sport for the kids.
     
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    There's nothing you can do. It goes in cycles.
     
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    so you happen to watch the worst match he has played
     
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    Donaldson, Tiafoe, Fritz, Fratangelo can hit respectable BHs. But I know what you mean - obsession with winning and rankings and not rounding out their games dooms juniors to either flaming out or limiting their pro potential.
     
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  36. SinjinCooper

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    Ban polys to make the tennis more interesting.

    Shorten matches to make it more marketable.
     
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