What's going on with Ferrero

barry

Hall of Fame
I.hEaRt.KeAbLe said:
Ferreros the coolest x10 to the maxx.that is all.xx
He has been going downhill ever since he quit using the POG. I think he should dump the contract with Head and go back to what worked for him. You can see the balls are spraying wide, which use to go in, could be the Flex in the FRT.
 

ericsson

Hall of Fame
barry i agree with you, the same happend to costa (although he's on the way back) but anyway hats why sooooooooooo much pro's stick with their holy grail, cos their used to it, i'm not a pro and even i play best with my stick and i test a lot.
 
good one aye your right hes not playing very well.but i must admit that green headband suits him.that is all.xx
barry said:
He has been going downhill ever since he quit using the POG. I think he should dump the contract with Head and go back to what worked for him. You can see the balls are spraying wide, which use to go in, could be the Flex in the FRT.
 

aramis

Semi-Pro
I think it is mainly the racquet at this point. JC's confidence has always been at its highest after he plays a lot on clay, where he used beat up so many opponents. He has never done terribly well in the beginning part of the season, so I think the errors are due to his new frame.
Even PMac noticed it as well, saying that even though ferrero was hitting the ball vigorously, his shots just didn't have the same "sting" as before, not as heavy.
With the POG his groundstrokes were better so most of his shots, especially the forehand, forced errors from his opponents; that's not the case any more as we saw in his match yesterday because Kiefer was able to stay with him from the baseline as long as he wanted to. JC didn't have to come into the net to finish points a few years ago, because the point would already be over after a few strong, heavy groundstrokes. Not only that, players can nowadays easily rally with JC, provided they are quick enough, which puts a lot of pressure on him and forces him to hit a very precise, perfectly aimed shot to win the point, hence the amount of unforced errors from the ground.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
1 - You are all forgetting the relative nature of Pro Tennis. JCF *was* dominating. The rest of the field has improved, adjusted, adapted. He hasn't ... at least not at a rate which would keep him at the front of the pack.

It's the old "gunfighter dilemma." There's always someone better ... either now or in a while. That's life....

2 - The argument that "He switched sticks; now he cannot play as well" is ludicrous. JCF isn't one of my favorites, but even I give him enough credit to not choose to impair his game by using a racket he cannot excel with. Good grief! You people must think he's stupid, or insane.

3 - I *do* believe psychological strength could be a factor. Ever since Roddick dismantled him at the USO, Ferrero has not been the same player. Finding out you are not bullet proof can shake you up ... for a long time.

- KK
 
how could someone lose all faith in themselves if they lose to andy in the us open.i mean come on its his home turf and also its andy roddick hes number 2 in the world and i think theres a reaosn for that.he doesnt lose becasue of his racquet.he hasnt played in like forever.if hes gonna lose hes gonna lose.that is all.xx
Kaptain Karl said:
1 - You are all forgetting the relative nature of Pro Tennis. JCF *was* dominating. The rest of the field has improved, adjusted, adapted. He hasn't ... at least not at a rate which would keep him at the front of the pack.

It's the old "gunfighter dilemma." There's always someone better ... either now or in a while. That's life....

2 - The argument that "He switched sticks; now he cannot play as well" is ludicrous. JCF isn't one of my favorites, but even I give him enough credit to not choose to impair his game by using a racket he cannot excel with. Good grief! You people must think he's stupid, or insane.

3 - I *do* believe psychological strength could be a factor. Ever since Roddick dismantled him at the USO, Ferrero has not been the same player. Finding out you are not bullet proof can shake you up ... for a long time.

- KK
 

aramis

Semi-Pro
Kaptain Karl said:
1 - You are all forgetting the relative nature of Pro Tennis. JCF *was* dominating. The rest of the field has improved, adjusted, adapted. He hasn't ... at least not at a rate which would keep him at the front of the pack.

It's the old "gunfighter dilemma." There's always someone better ... either now or in a while. That's life....

2 - The argument that "He switched sticks; now he cannot play as well" is ludicrous. JCF isn't one of my favorites, but even I give him enough credit to not choose to impair his game by using a racket he cannot excel with. Good grief! You people must think he's stupid, or insane.

3 - I *do* believe psychological strength could be a factor. Ever since Roddick dismantled him at the USO, Ferrero has not been the same player. Finding out you are not bullet proof can shake you up ... for a long time.

- KK
1. So many have said that the game has moved on from Ferrero, adapted, etc., but no one explains how or in what way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the amount of brainless baseline bashers in the game has never been more prolific, and these are the types of opponents ferrero likes playing. There are only two types of guys that give him trouble: huge servers and guys who are very multi-dimensional, so in theory the game suits him better nowadays since there aren't many of those types of guys around, relatively speaking.

2. KK, my best guess would be that he switched frames because of money reasons. Head probably offered him a lot more than Prince was. Maybe Ferrero's coach, Antonio, needed more money for his academy in Valencia and basically "switched" sponsors for Ferrero just for financial reasons, without really taking into consideration the effect it would have on his game. Last year Ferrero said that he didn't like his new racquet so this could be the reason.

3. After the USO Ferrero did the following according to ATPtennis.com:
- Won TMS Madrid
- Reached final of Thailand Open
- reached semis of Aus Open
- reached final of rotterdam
Ferrero's decline began at Indian Wells 2004 when he got chicken pox.
 

aramis

Semi-Pro
As for the relative nature of tennis, that arguement would apply to Ferrero only if he didn't get sick/injured and simply fell in the rankings despite being in top form. Take Hewitt for example, he used to be the best player, but now he can't because of Federer. That's an example of the game passing a player by. Hewitt himself hasn't changed much, its just that there is a better player now. This can't be applied to Ferrero because he has changed over the years; he's gotten worse and is still not at the level he showed in 2003 and early 2004, so to say that the game has passed him by is bit premature in my opinion.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
aramis said:
1. So many have said that the game has moved on from Ferrero, adapted, etc., but no one explains how or in what way.
You misunderstand me. I posted that the *players* had adjusted, adapted, etc. ... not "the game." The game is the same; some players are just playing it better.

Federer is better now than two years ago. (Scary thought!)
Roddick is working on expanding his capabilities. (Remains to be seen if this will pay off....)
Nalbandian seems to be hitting the ball with more authority now than two years ago.
How can anyone *not* have noticed the rising of ... Nadal ... Blake ... Niemenen ... Ljubicic ... Ancic ... Andreev these last two years? The Pack is reeling-in JCF. Heck! All the other guys in The Pack are getting stronger / adapting their games / eating more healthfully / etc. ... and all they are managing to do is change a few positions in the Pack.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the amount of brainless baseline bashers in the game has never been more prolific ...
Well, you asked.... "No!" The baseliners are getting smarter in their craft. (See Nadal and Nalbandian, for two.) The "brainlessness" is long gone.

There are only two types of guys that give him trouble ...
Based on results, apparently not.

KK, my best guess would be that he switched frames because of money reasons.
Um, "Duh!"

Maybe Ferrero's coach, Antonio, needed more money for his academy in Valencia and basically "switched" sponsors for Ferrero just for financial reasons, without really taking into consideration the effect it would have on his game.
What a ridiculous speculation! Who do you think is "in charge?" Juan Carlos, or Antonio??? Geez!!!

After the USO Ferrero did the following according to ATPtennis.com:
- Won TMS Madrid
- Reached final of Thailand Open
- reached semis of Aus Open
- reached final of rotterdam
The only "noteworthy" accomplishment -- for someone in the Top Ten -- is OZ. The others are minor events, by comparison. "Big deal...!"

Ferrero's decline began at Indian Wells 2004 when he got chicken pox.
This is a compelling argument. Good point.

- KK
 

babbette

Legend
Maybe the passion just isn't there anymore, which is such a shame. Or maybe the fact that the spanish press is all about nadal gets to him!!
There was an interview where he looked really hurt saying "they have to remember that we're here too you know not just nadal"
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Kaptain Karl said:
1 - You are all forgetting the relative nature of Pro Tennis. JCF *was* dominating. The rest of the field has improved, adjusted, adapted. He hasn't ... at least not at a rate which would keep him at the front of the pack.

It's the old "gunfighter dilemma." There's always someone better ... either now or in a while. That's life....

2 - The argument that "He switched sticks; now he cannot play as well" is ludicrous. JCF isn't one of my favorites, but even I give him enough credit to not choose to impair his game by using a racket he cannot excel with. Good grief! You people must think he's stupid, or insane.

3 - I *do* believe psychological strength could be a factor. Ever since Roddick dismantled him at the USO, Ferrero has not been the same player. Finding out you are not bullet proof can shake you up ... for a long time.

- KK
Excellent work KK!

As the old saying goes, "it's not the arrows, it's the Indian."
 

bcaz

Professional
Some guys peak earlier than others. The first pro match I ever saw live was at the US Open in 2000. Ferrero, about 20, beat Federer, about 19, and even though it went a rain-interrupted five sets, JCF clearly was the better player by far on the court that day. The rest is history. He still has the huge forehand, but his body hasn't matured beyond what it was when he was 20. His serves were far inferior to Kiefer's, even though Nick's percentage faltered badly late in the match, and that was the difference yesterday.
 
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