What's Italy's greatest contribution?

Rubens

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For most of the things at which Italy proclaims itself to be the best (food, wine, clothing, women), I believe the French are actually better.

There is one thing at which Italy is TRULY unsurpassed though, by far: automotive design.
 

Charleneriva

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Italy's greatest contributions? Easy, imo.

- Arts, music, architecture, cuisine, culture. They have many truly great and deeply touching films as well.

- Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Rafael, Giordano Bruno, Galileo, Vivaldi, Paganini, Puccini, etc.

- Pianoforte, violin and strings, Opera

- The Italy National Football Team - to compete with Brazil. :p
 
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Steady Eddy

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Italy's greatest contributions? Easy, imo.

- Arts, music, architecture, cuisine, culture. They have many truly great and deeply touching films as well.

- Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Rafael, Giordano Bruno, Galileo, Vivaldi, Paganini, Puccini, etc.

- Pianoforte, violin and strings, Opera

- The Italy National Football Team - to compete with Brazil. :p
Giordano Bruno, isn't he the one they burned?

Galileo, isn't he the one they threatened to burn, but just put him under house arrest for the remainder of his life?

Maybe this should be a warning to anyone who wants to be a high achiever?
 

Bartelby

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The Church did this. Italy did not exist until the nineteenth century, after all.

Giordano Bruno, isn't he the one they burned?

Galileo, isn't he the one they threatened to burn, but just put him under house arrest for the remainder of his life?

Maybe this should be a warning to anyone who wants to be a high achiever?
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Giordano Bruno, isn't he the one they burned?

Galileo, isn't he the one they threatened to burn, but just put him under house arrest for the remainder of his life?

Maybe this should be a warning to anyone who wants to be a high achiever?
One day Galileo the Great discovered something amazing. He saw with his own telescope that Jupiter had Moons that revolved around it and blew the entire notion that Earth is the Center of the Universe into pieces. He was under house arrest for the rest of his career if I Remember . He was the beginning of the next generation
I saw Galileo's tomb and took some photos in Italy. A man of sure genius in a super repressed World.
 

Charleneriva

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Giordano Bruno, isn't he the one they burned?

Galileo, isn't he the one they threatened to burn, but just put him under house arrest for the remainder of his life?

Maybe this should be a warning to anyone who wants to be a high achiever?
Who said anything about "high achievers"? :eek:

Richard Feynman said having discovered what he had discovered was rewarding and made him happy enough, not the Nobel prize.

That's also the mindset of all the true scientists.

As for Bruno and Galileo, they were dreamers, darers, truth seekers, inspirers, pioneers, among other things I doubt most of us can ever say about ourselves.

They dreamed about an even more beautiful, meaningful world than what they were told and must believe. They dared to challenge idea of "The Earth is the centre of the universe" - a finite universe that was in the minds of those high powers who told the others what to think.

“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
_ Galileo Galilei


They dared to read the forbidden books, to think for themselves, to seed new ideas, spread it, prove it, fall in love with what they found and determine to share them with everyone, whatever the price.

"It may be you fear more to deliver judgment upon me than I fear judgment."
_ Giordano Bruno upon hearing his conviction of execution


And find they did - not just the wonderful world and universe as how they truly are, but also, and absolutely importantly, the foundation for mathematical and provable sciences for countless generations of future scientists, as well as the ones who like to think for themselves and see the truths, not what they are told.

More than 400 years later and here I am, feeling something in my throat writing this, just at the mere thought about them...

“Passion is the genesis of genius.”
_ Galileo Galilei

And if words don't mean much to you, just listen this little piece of music written for Bruno and feel for yourself how touched and inspired the composer must have been to be able to create such beautiful, emotional and touching music - the universal language that can always says so much without a single word...

 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Amd the highest level of powers temporal still refuse the science of AGW!

Who said anything about "high achievers"? :eek:

Richard Feynman said having discovered what he had discovered was rewarding and made him happy enough, not the Nobel prize.

That's also the mindset of all the true scientists.

As for Bruno and Galileo, they were dreamers, darers, truth seekers, inspirers, pioneers, among other things I doubt most of us can ever say about ourselves.

They dreamed about an even more beautiful, meaningful world than what they were told and must believe. They dared to challenge idea of "The Earth is the centre of the universe" - a finite universe that was in the minds of those high powers who told the others what to think.

“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
_ Galileo Galilei


They dared to read the forbidden books, to think for themselves, to seed new ideas, spread it, prove it, fall in love with what they found and determine to share them with everyone, whatever the price.

"It may be you fear more to deliver judgment upon me than I fear judgment."
_ Giordano Bruno upon hearing his conviction of execution


And find they did - not just the wonderful world and universe as how they truly are, but also, and absolutely importantly, the foundation for mathematical and provable sciences for countless generations of future scientists, as well as the ones who like to think for themselves and see the truths, not what they are told.

More than 400 years later and here I am, feeling something in my throat writing this, just at the mere thought about them...

“Passion is the genesis of genius.”
_ Galileo Galilei

And if words don't mean much to you, just listen this little piece of music written for Bruno and feel for yourself how touched and inspired the composer must have been to be able to create such beautiful, emotional and touching music - the universal language that can always says so much without a single word...

 

Steady Eddy

Hall of Fame
Who said anything about "high achievers"? :eek:

Richard Feynman said having discovered what he had discovered was rewarding and made him happy enough, not the Nobel prize.

That's also the mindset of all the true scientists.

As for Bruno and Galileo, they were dreamers, darers, truth seekers, inspirers, pioneers, among other things I doubt most of us can ever say about ourselves.

They dreamed about an even more beautiful, meaningful world than what they were told and must believe. They dared to challenge idea of "The Earth is the centre of the universe" - a finite universe that was in the minds of those high powers who told the others what to think.

“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
_ Galileo Galilei


They dared to read the forbidden books, to think for themselves, to seed new ideas, spread it, prove it, fall in love with what they found and determine to share them with everyone, whatever the price.

"It may be you fear more to deliver judgment upon me than I fear judgment."
_ Giordano Bruno upon hearing his conviction of execution


And find they did - not just the wonderful world and universe as how they truly are, but also, and absolutely importantly, the foundation for mathematical and provable sciences for countless generations of future scientists, as well as the ones who like to think for themselves and see the truths, not what they are told.

More than 400 years later and here I am, feeling something in my throat writing this, just at the mere thought about them...

“Passion is the genesis of genius.”
_ Galileo Galilei

And if words don't mean much to you, just listen this little piece of music written for Bruno and feel for yourself how touched and inspired the composer must have been to be able to create such beautiful, emotional and touching music - the universal language that can always says so much without a single word...

Don't misunderstand me. My point wasn't to put them down. I wanted to draw attention to how geniuses are often neglected, and worse, sometimes despised for their discoveries.

I have a very high regard for Martin Luther. I'm surprised he didn't get Bruno's fate.
 
Mozzarella di bufala.
Complaining endlessly, but somehow also enjoying life.
Talking with the hands.
Cioppino.
The tennis of Adriano Panatta.
Some cars, some of the time.
 
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Its ok for short men, there are short women too! I am scandinavian so we are often taller than most of the men from the south. Its not so easy being tall either!
I’m 6’1 but that’s probably tiny to someone who lives in a land of Vikings! :D
 

Firstservingman

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Tbh France is even more of a giant when it comes to food. They're the undisputed wine champs (Spain in second from what I've tasted and I only like red wine), and France produces more good food than any other country.

I just think Italy has higher highs, so to speak.
I like strong-flavoured recipes and I think France lets it down a little in that area.

It's very close. Nearly but not quite a tie for me.
At the same time if someone were to put France ahead I'd have no problem with that. It's close enough where it totally depends on individual taste.
 
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That is a very good height!
But short men shouldnt stress. Its more average to not be so tall.
Italian men tends to be short though unfortunately, for me!
One of my best friends from high school is short and he’s very self conscious about it. :oops:

Glad I don’t have to go through that, I have my own insecurities though. :confused::D
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
France is buoyed by having many more varieties of cheese for sure.

I just happen to think that Parmigiano Reggiano is the best cheese. But even that's a close run affair with like four or five different French cheeses. Comte, Bleu d'Auvergne, Camembert, Beaufort, and Roquefort are all just as great.

Where I think Italy shines the most is the cured meats. Prosciutto/Parma ham, pancetta, coppa, salamis and cacciatore, soppressata, speck, the list goes on. France just can't compete here - and I love sausages.

Great. It's 4am here and now I'm hungry. Why am I even awake?
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

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You must be at least 1.78m or 5'10'' à la Jenna Elfman?
Yes! But he must be 5,5 or something, he is short. My dad is Italian, so I have been to Italy a lot. If I wear heels I feel SO TALL over there, I also feel stronger than them, they are built so thin compared to Scandinavian men(vikings). While here in Norway most men are taller than me even if I wear 10cm heels.


Best Italy has come up with?

SHOES! Makes us even taller :D

and Dolce Gabbana
 

Vcore89

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Yes! But he must be 5,5 or something, he is short. My dad is Italian, so I have been to Italy a lot. If I wear heels I feel SO TALL over there, I also feel stronger than them, they are built so thin compared to Scandinavian men(vikings). While here in Norway most men are taller than me even if I wear 10cm heels.


Best Italy has come up with?

SHOES! Makes us even taller :D

and Dolce Gabbana
And Salvatore Ferragamo

Inumerable great contributions. They engineered the Aqueducts for irrigation, public baths and of course drinking. Also, put stone markers at roadside to indicate distance, hence the literal milestone [also to denote a specific degree of achievement].
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

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And Salvatore Ferragamo

Inumerable great contributions. They engineered the Aqueducts for irrigation, public baths and of course drinking. Also, put stone markers at roadside to indicate distance, hence the literal milestone [also to denote a specific degree of achievement].
The Romans did a lot!

I raise you with Gucci and Armani.

Then we always have- Medici family.
All the art thats from there too. Music. Vivaldi, Puccini, Verdi. The operas still sung today. Tosca, probably the greatest opera created.
 

Vcore89

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The Romans did a lot!

I raise you with Gucci and Armani.

Then we always have- Medici family.
All the art thats from there too. Music. Vivaldi, Puccini, Verdi. The operas still sung today. Tosca, probably the greatest opera created.
Haha, Prada over Gucci and Armani suits.:cool: I only mentioned Ferragamo because my girlfriend gave me a Ferragamo wallet. Anyway, Ermenegildo Zegna is my personal favourite.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

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Haha, Prada over Gucci and Armani suits.:cool: I only mentioned Ferragamo because my girlfriend gave me a Ferragamo wallet. Anyway, Ermenegildo Zegna is my personal favourite.
How could we forget... the greatest dress makers that is: Valentino!!
Versace!
Then we have old brands also used in tennis: Fila, Tacchini, (Puma)
Many many more brands like Missoni and Fendi.
Italiy is a fashion country.

I do like Armani suits though, reminds me of Italian football again. For years, I only watched Italian football for obvious reasons! Premier league not really the same. :D
 
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Yes! But he must be 5,5 or something, he is short. My dad is Italian, so I have been to Italy a lot. If I wear heels I feel SO TALL over there, I also feel stronger than them, they are built so thin compared to Scandinavian men(vikings). While here in Norway most men are taller than me even if I wear 10cm heels.


Best Italy has come up with?

SHOES! Makes us even taller :D

and Dolce Gabbana
You feel stronger than them? Lol poor Italians.

You do have Viking genes though. ;):D
 
I would have kept thinking Maldini was part of the team before I looked at the lineups again. Can't believe he has been retired for so long. 2002! Years are just flying by.

A little relieved. I thought I was losing the plot. Maldini continued to play for Milan until 2009. :p
Funny, this discussion of height....
Years ago, I ran into Paolo Maldini in one of Paris' many Eyetalian trattorias. Literally ran into him rounding the bar from les toilettes. He is at least as tall as Federer. Somewhere between 6'1" and 6'2". Striking/flashily dressed guy, very tan, slick hair, typical pro athlete from Italia, i suppose.

Btw, this is the guy who played dubs in an atp challenger not too long ago. He and his partner were good club players, but were quickly dismantled at a decent pro level. His quote was something like, he felt like he had studied mathematics for a decade, then had to compete in a poetry competition.

Anyway, yeah, obligatory stmt about generalizing...
Indeed, northern Europeans are tall, but there are some very tall Mediterranean guys too (not just in the Balkans). And some short Nordics, too. We have that here, too. My son has a friend -- a 5'7" Dutchman. They call him Yao Ming for some reason. And his school's varsity girls basketball team has a 6'2" Asian girl who just had a quinceañera.
And I used to hit with a college player originally from Mexico. 6'6", so definitely on the tall side for Mexico.
 
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