Benf15harp3000
Semi-Pro
Depth of field? Lol. Outside of Novak Med Carlito stef Rafa(maybe done) rune sinner ….the rest of the field is complete garbage.
Evidence: Frances Tiafoe is knocking on the Top 10 door
Whats the future of Tsitsipas?
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Evidence: Frances Tiafoe is knocking on the Top 10 door
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Was he not in the AO final just a few months ago?
dking68
G.O.A.T.
He’s always made the semifinals but otherwise I haven’t really seen an improvement
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Don't lose hopes if you are tsitsipas fan. He has tremendous game and on days where he don't see best of Novak or best of Rafa, which he won't pretty soon, his game gives him chance vs anyone.
You will do after he starts winning.
It is a process. He clearly made a lot of improvements which were clear to see at the AO. He attempts so many slices and attacks the net which were totally missing from his game.
Not perfect but to some those changes don't come easily naturally. It disrupts their bread and butter game. Also, not predicting he'll be a slam winner. But you can't blame him for not trying when he is.
I don't know if you play. But if you do, try a small change like your forehand grip. It will ruin your game until you have played with it for months. Even after those months, you'll still try to fall back when it breaks down. Old habits die hard.
Are you saying the player who almost won the FO against Djokovic in 5 sets is not good enough? Or is Djokovic not a quality player?
jl809
Legend
Also fwiw I don’t think his peak so far is any higher than it was in 2019, I think all that has changed is that he’s added about 5% more variety and is far more consistent than he was
The Tsitsipas of 2019 would have reached the AO final just like in 2023 had he only had to play Sinner and avoid Djokodal until the final (in reality he got Nadal in the SF). He beat Fed in a decent match in 4 at the AO, beat Nadal in Madrid and was competitive at Rome, Stan at RG was better than anyone he faced at RG in 2021 (better than Rune in 2022 too), he beat Djoker in Shanghai and won the ATP finals beating Thiem and Fed and narrowly losing to Nadal
The Tsitsipas of 2019 would have reached the AO final just like in 2023 had he only had to play Sinner and avoid Djokodal until the final (in reality he got Nadal in the SF). He beat Fed in a decent match in 4 at the AO, beat Nadal in Madrid and was competitive at Rome, Stan at RG was better than anyone he faced at RG in 2021 (better than Rune in 2022 too), he beat Djoker in Shanghai and won the ATP finals beating Thiem and Fed and narrowly losing to Nadal
abmk
Bionic Poster
Not with Alcaraz there. Also Sinner, Rune, FAA rising up. Med is also there.
Sinner took him to 5 at the AO and finally beat him after that. So seems to have overcome the matchup vs him.
Tsitsipas might sneak 1 in, but highly doubtful he gets multiple slams.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He finally got a beatable SF opponent for a change.
abmk
Bionic Poster
not beaten top 10 player in a gazillion matches Khachanov. Having said that Tpas achieved muggery level with mug FH in that AO 23 final. supposed to be his 2nd best weapon after serve.
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
That’s the big thing they should have addressed a Magnus Norman would do wonders for him
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
Yes I’m in that boat exactly I think his window for a slam is closing rapidly and other younger players are ahead as well as med so I think he is still a top 10 player as there isn’t many better than him on tour and can make some decent runs in many events especially now Djoker is playing less and the vacuum is establishing the next dominators on tour..
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Even Hewitt/Roddick managed to take sets off Federer at Wimb/USO.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
They all got wiped out as well. Stef and Novak have played 3 times in slams. Twice it has gone 5 sets. I would say that’s not bad at all.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, because they played on clay where Novak is obviously weaker at his age.
jl809
Legend
Mm the only person I’d say for sure out of this group is Alc, who is injury prone. I expect Sinner and Rune to turn up too but it is far too early to assume that they will be consistent in the way that the big 3 were, and assume that Sinner has permanently solved the rivalry already. Plus he is ahead of them all so far on grass
I fully expect them to dominate this era but he will be the first guy waiting in the wings to vulture a slam that opens up
abmk
Bionic Poster
Tpas has only been a contender at 2 slams - AO and RG.
all you need is one of these players to beat him there.
Tpas hasn't even reached 4th round at WIm. Sinner reached QF at Wim last year. With his mediocre return, will be very surprised if Tpas wins Wim.
Tpas hasn't reached 4R at USO either.
Sinner won the last 2 of the 3 sets at AO to make it a fiercely contested 5 setter and beat Tsitsipas comprehensively at Rotterdam 6-4, 6-3. Unless Sinner regresses, this matchup looks like it will be on an even footing from now on.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Press X to doubt.
Magnus will be great. But he clearly is more comfortable with someone who can speak the same language i.e philipoussis.
Also he won't just do it. He's Greek. Older people are held in higher regard. His mum and dad will have to agree too.
Can we stop with the Sinner worship here? How many masters 1000 or slams has he won? Zero. Elevate him when he's won some. He can't even beat Med.
Tsit has two alongside Nitto title and two GS finals. And he can beat Med too. People here talk as if he's a rec player. He's world no 5 - should be 3.
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abmk
Bionic Poster
no worship. Just stating reality of a rising player vs someone who has almost stagnated.
abmk
Bionic Poster
We'll see the next couple of times they met, won't we?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Sinner to me is overhyped until proven otherwise.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
He broke my heart in Miami and Monte Carlo but I honestly think he took a leap compared to 22’. Haven’t written him off yet , but If he doesn’t win even 1 big title this year, something is seriously wrong IMO.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Exactly. He's had so many chances this year and you'd figure others would've converted by now.
Coric, Fritz, Hurkacz and PCB converted the first opportunities they had.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Yeah and I don’t see why he can’t do it. He’s miles better than all of them and choker PCB did it in his first final. No more excuses and he needs to rise to the occasion and beat more top ten players in succession
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Even the bet markets I follow have given up on Sinner. They had predicted him to snatch one of the sunshine double and they gave up on him once he had reached that final and lost in straights. But let’s see. And it’s not gonna get easier if they allow Novak to play in the NA HC swing
abmk
Bionic Poster
that's fine, but I'm not talking about him winning a slam per se, only the particular matchup vs tpas who himself hasn't done that much to impress.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Youngest ever ATP Finals champ. That's not nothing. Guy has been consistently in the top 10 for 4 years. Not a mug.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Are you sure? Hewitt was 20 when he won it, Tsitsipas was 21.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Heard an announcer say it yesterday, assumed he would know his stuff.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, clearly he doesn't
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
The youngest winner in the history of the ATP Finals was John McEnroe in 1978 (it was played at the beginning of 1979) when he was still 19 years old.
It's true that Tsitsipas is the youngest player to win that title since Hewitt in 2001, like you well say.
His legs are too long. He's another Raonic.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Agree. I still think Taitsipas is an amazing player. He is going to entertain us for years to come so I’m certainly not hating him. But with some reluctance I’ve come to believe that he is just not going to be a guy who wins majors. I would love to be very wrong on this prediction, and given my track record over the last five years there is a good chance I will be.
I guess you just never know, but this young brigade of Sinner, Alcaraz, Rune etc etc all look like killers who are going to be very very tough.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Where are you at on Tsitsipas’ chances of winning a major? I’ve recalibrated since AO. Still think he is an incredible player and I think he is a top 10 stalwart for a long time to come but I no longer think of him as a potential major winner.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Tsitsipas is quickly becoming Ferrer-like in his ability to reach the later stages, but not hurt the top guys.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
I think he'll do okay against Sinner and Rune. Sinner is 1dimensional and Stef can hang with that. Rune is more tricky, but if Tsitsipas is playing well, he can live with that too. He will of course lose some, but he has the game to win some as well. Against Alcaraz though, I really don't see what he can do. He needs a killer, reliable BH DTL. He needs a good BH slice to reset the pace of the rally, he needs a more offensive court positioning and better anticipation to stop being burned by the drop shots all the time. He has none of that so far. I knew deep down, he will solve Meddy. Somehow it seemed more in his racket. Against Alcaraz he will need to revamp his entire game and develop new tools. Not happening. The H2H against Alcaraz is going to be brutal for Stef. Might be like Fed-Ferrer.Agree. I still think Taitsipas is an amazing player. He is going to entertain us for years to come so I’m certainly not hating him. But with some reluctance I’ve come to believe that he is just not going to be a guy who wins majors. I would love to be very wrong on this prediction, and given my track record over the last five years there is a good chance I will be.
I guess you just never know, but this young brigade of Sinner, Alcaraz, Rune etc etc all look like killers who are going to be very very tough.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Stefanos can play some beautiful tennis, kudos to him. I actually enjoy watching him.
Overall he is stronger against weaker and weaker against stronger than most. Alcaraz outclasses him in some aspects and is stronger in others. Only is serve is inferior. Sadly, if this holds true, Stef might indeed struggle more and more against strong youngsters.
Even his H2H against Sinner might turn ugly, so far a weaker Sinner faced him mostly on his best surfaces or tournaments.
Overall he is stronger against weaker and weaker against stronger than most. Alcaraz outclasses him in some aspects and is stronger in others. Only is serve is inferior. Sadly, if this holds true, Stef might indeed struggle more and more against strong youngsters.
Even his H2H against Sinner might turn ugly, so far a weaker Sinner faced him mostly on his best surfaces or tournaments.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Tsitsipas has too many glaring holes in his gam, with his backhand and ROS he needs an even better serve and forehand to compensate. There will always be places for his opponents to target and he simply can't take the racket out of their hands consistently with his own weapons. He might squeek a slam by being consistent but he's not a truly elite player IMO. It's a shame as he plays the style of tennis that I like, I just don't think he does it particularly well.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Gotta agree with you for now. Barring a major retooling...however, he gets to enough finals that eventually he'll face someone other than Nadal, Djokovic or Alcaraz. I like his chances against almost anyone else.
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
Yes as we just saw Alcaraz is just such a level above tsitsi and dominated him easily better in every aspect from physicality, both wings are much better even coming into volley off stronger shots.. Tsitsi really needs a world class coach like Norman if he is to win any slams if not he will be a perpetual top 10 which isn’t a bad thing he has enough weapons to compete for masters and 500s and make deep slam runs he will just come up short as those players are just superior and he isn’t quite good enough..Agree. I still think Taitsipas is an amazing player. He is going to entertain us for years to come so I’m certainly not hating him. But with some reluctance I’ve come to believe that he is just not going to be a guy who wins majors. I would love to be very wrong on this prediction, and given my track record over the last five years there is a good chance I will be.
I guess you just never know, but this young brigade of Sinner, Alcaraz, Rune etc etc all look like killers who are going to be very very tough.
The nearly man as I coined him a while ago
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