What's the one hole/stain in Djokovic's resume?

mattosgrant said:
The last 2 years or so have been very weak, but Djokovic hasnt always had weak competition. 2011 he dominated a stronger field than Fed or Rafa ever dominated, and while not always dominant he stayed on top (80% of it) on top from 2011-2013 in a stronger field overall than Fed or Rafa probably ever stayed on top of.

Also Rafa and Fed had some doozy years too (eg- 2006 for Fed, 2010 for Rafa) when talking about competition, and it is not like either will go down as reigning over the Golden Era of tennis either (other than to their crazy fanboys).
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One year each for Rafa and Fed

2 years and counting for Djoker

2013 + the men's field has been historically weak


And there is no challenge coming by way of the younger generation

Fed had to deal with Nadal's.generation(murray, djoker, delpo, berdych, tsonga, etc)and can still regularly beat the kids from the generation after-only.Nishikori regularly troubles him.

Djoker has old.rivals that are past it and also rans that were never a bother.from his current generation and thats it.
 
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2011 Djoker dominated Rafa, I cant say that the field was especially strong. 2.players were super strong and consistent and Djoker dominated Rafa across the board (except FO)
 
StannisTheMannis said:
That's your response? You claim Cilic, who has never beaten Novak, would beat him. Someone responds with the opposite, and that's your response?
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what else do you expect when you don't even read and understand what I wrote previously

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no, it didn't. Cilic in that kind of form would've beat him. ( I know he hasn't won against Nole, but if there was any time he was going to beat Nole, that would be it )
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"Yeah, that's what someone like you would've said about del potro before USO 09 final ..
or about safin before USO 00 final ..
or wawrinka before AO 14 final .."

"and you didn't have a certain stan wawrinka break not just a non-winning record, but a non-set winning record in a slam earlier that year ..

Cilic in GOATing form would be toast vs Novak in USO 14, got it !"


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Novak simply wasn't in good enough form -- even if he got past Nishikori. He'd need to be in USO 11 form to beat that GOATing cilic and its unlikely that version of Djokovic would've turned up in the final.....
 
When Nikola Tesla gets a credit as a greatest scientist world has ever had, Djokovic will get it also. Over a century has passed since hes greatest inventions which 6 billion people around the world is using every day without even knowing who made our life as it is today. Do you really think that Djokovic achievements in such a smaller matter as Tennis will be respected and recognized in western civilization? No way my friend.

Democracy today is same thing as an ancient Rome. If you don't have a family (Country) name, if you are not one of us you are not worth a penny...
 
Odvala said:
When Nikola Tesla gets a credit as a greatest scientist world has ever had, Djokovic will get it also. Over a century has passed since hes greatest inventions which 6 billion people around the world is using every day without even knowing who made our life as it is today. Do you really think that Djokovic achievements in such a smaller matter as Tennis will be respected and recognized in western civilization? No way my friend.

Democracy today is same thing as an ancient Rome. If you don't have a family (Country) name, if you are not one of us you are not worth a penny...
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I think you need to examine your victim mentality. If you choose to ignore Novak's popularity in Asia and to chase approval from the Western media, it is your problem. It's like you complain that you get bullied but then you are ignoring other (less popular) kids at the same time. You don't seem to get what democracy is.
 
uscwang said:
I think you need to examine your victim mentality. If you choose to ignore Novak's popularity in Asia and to chase approval from the Western media, it is your problem. It's like you complain that you get bullied but then you are ignoring other (less popular) kids at the same time. You don't seem to get what democracy is.
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It has always be the same my friend. We had example of Ivan Lendl already in Tennis. Western civilization simply doesn't approve it. Novak did what no other man have done since 1969. Never has been done such a thing in open era and never 4 majors in a row on 4 different surfaces but yet hes success haven't got enough media attention. Andy Wimbledon had tomes and books written about it... It is just sad.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
As soon as I saw an alert from you I knew exactly what it was gonna say. :D
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Well, its true. He has a great opportunity to do win the Grand Slam this year (just based on observation of his peaking at majors so far), and after that, few would talk about anything missing on his resume, other than Olympic Gold in singles.
 
****igrade said:
If Djokovic wins OG, then it won't count!


Haven't you heard? Nothing counts for anyone anymore, seeing as they didn't have to go through Federer of 05 to win it.
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Sadly I do think there's some truth to this. I get the feeling a lot of posters on here don't really think Djokovic deserves to be winning so much simply because it's not peak Fedal he's having to go through to earn his titles which seems pretty crazy to me but what can you do? They conveniently forget all the times he's been to hell and back against those guys on all surfaces over the years, sometimes winning, sometimes not but nearly always putting up a good fight. If anyone deserves a break from such brutal competition it's Novak but if his haters had their way you can bet your house on it that he'd have to face not only peak Fedal but also peak Borg and peak Sampras to get his hands on every trophy and why not throw Laver in there as well for good measure. :oops: Sigh........:rolleyes:
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Sadly I do think there's some truth to this. I get the feeling a lot of posters on here don't really think Djokovic deserves to be winning so much simply because it's not peak Fedal he's having to go through to earn his titles which seems pretty crazy to me but what can you do? They conveniently forget all the times he's been to hell and back against those guys on all surfaces over the years, sometimes winning, sometimes not but nearly always putting up a good fight. If anyone deserves a break from such brutal competition it's Novak but if his haters had their way you can bet your house on it that he'd have to face not only peak Fedal but also peak Borg and peak Sampras to get his hands on every trophy and why not throw Laver in there as well for good measure. :oops: Sigh........:rolleyes:
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Or you could just remind Federer/Nadal fans that the other two top tier talents (aside from Djokovic) were bascially no shows for most of the 00's, thus making 04-10 weaker. People like to rave about Federer and Nadal, but what epic competition did they face aside from when they played each other outside of Djokovic? Nadal's toughest clay courter after those two was probably Almagro. Yep, Almagro. Federer's toughest opponent after Nadal and Djokovic was Roddick. Very good player until his hit 22, he was crap after 04. The 05+ era is not as strong as people make it out to be. 2006 was horrible. 2007 was not that good either.


The only good years were 05, 08 and 09, every other year last decade sucked.
 
Noelan said:
Maybe these two years have been a blessing in disguise for him. Who knows whether it would be the year 2011 if weren't 09/10 in Novaks career. Through the lows has learned to fight and work hard on his game, fitness. Who knows that today he wouldn't be washed up like Nadal?
Imo ,he has a little to regret, has much more to be proud of:)
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Oh I agree I don't think he really can have regrets when he was been the absolute best in his profession for so long and won everything worth winning pretty much. But if there would be a regret I think maybe his lost two year serve experiment would be the thing he probably kicks himself for.
 
His arrogance and overall bad attitude. I don't mean the attitude he shows in front of the camera. I mean the real Nole that players and people in the back end see. The real him.

He's a jerk.

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Djokovic2011 said:
In the Open Era only two players(Federer and Lendl) have defended 3/4 majors so I don't think this is such a big deal. I mean outside of RG, Nadal never defended any!
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I don't think it's a big deal either, but it was all I could think of. Holding all four slams at once makes up for those defeats. And if he wins a calendar year slam, holding 6 slams in a row, that would be GOAT stuff.
 
ktownva said:
I don't think it's a big deal either, but it was all I could think of. Holding all four slams at once makes up for those defeats. And if he wins a calendar year slam, holding 6 slams in a row, that would be GOAT stuff.
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He also has a chance to defend the 4 he's won in the last year. If he wins USO & RG he could be the first to defend all 4 :P
 
Nonsense said:
He also has a chance to defend the 4 he's won in the last year. If he wins USO & RG he could be the first to defend all 4 :p
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I think if he were to only win two more majors, this year's USO and next year's RG would be the ones I'd want for him for that very reason. ;)
 
****igrade said:
If Djokovic wins OG, then it won't count!


Haven't you heard? Nothing counts for anyone anymore, seeing as they didn't have to go through Federer of 05 to win it.
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Funny, even Fed didn't go through Fed 2005, instead he beat up on the worst generation of top level tennis players objectively by their numbers in the 33 years of me watching tennis. Novak did beat the toughest competition either of the two dominated and that was 2011 when Rafa was very much in his peak going into the year one AO title away from the Rafa slam and fed was a year older than Novak is now. But of course Novak dominated a weak era. Pretty funny considering how pathetic Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, and Nalbandian were. Anybody named Fat Dave is not tough competition at the elite levels of tennis.
 
socal1976 said:
Funny, even Fed didn't go through Fed 2005, instead he beat up on the worst generation of top level tennis players objectively by their numbers in the 33 years of me watching tennis. Novak did beat the toughest competition either of the two dominated and that was 2011 when Rafa was very much in his peak going into the year one AO title away from the Rafa slam and fed was a year older than Novak is now. But of course Novak dominated a weak era. Pretty funny considering how pathetic Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, and Nalbandian were. Anybody named Fat Dave is not tough competition at the elite levels of tennis.
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Safin, Nalbandian, Hewitt and Roddick were not pathetic. Safin and Nalbandian are some of the most naturally gifted payers I have ever seen. These were talents which don't come around often.
 
****igrade said:
Safin, Nalbandian, Hewitt and Roddick were not pathetic. Safin and Nalbandian are some of the most naturally gifted payers I have ever seen. These were talents which don't come around often.
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Ok I stopped taking you seriously when you started making the super talented Empanada Dave argument. Yes we know the portly one is the most talented fat athlete of all time, outside of Sumo, I think Aki Bono could take him in Vegas buffet contest. Yes Safin super talented, nalby had good hands and strokes but was not athletically or discipline wise gifted. But Safin told people for like a decade he didn't give a crap about tennis. When you can roll out of a supermodels bed at 4 am, after 20 shots of Vodka and go through the motions damn he better be gifted to win two slams. Hilarious maybe the two laziest waste of talents in tennis of the last 15 years, yeah when Safin wasn't hung over and when Dave wasn't fat they could be tough. But that lasted like 4 weeks in their collective career
 
Listen, Novak has no holes in his resume or his game. He's simply the greatest player this sport has ever witnessed. It's just a real pity that a lot of people can't appreciate this mans greatness.:mad::mad::mad:
 
90's Clay said:
He doesn't have one.. The one hole he had he patched up (Up and down emotional bipolar swings).

Hes the most dominant player since Laver and Gonzales. I think that says it all
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I think he's going to end up being even more dominant than Laver. I don't think we've ever witnessed this level of complete domination of the tour.
 
tennisaddict said:
Guess mods must have figured out at last that he is yet one of these innumerable 'NadalAgassi' incarnation.

Possible that the real Mattos got in touch with mods - if what @cc0509 claim was true

Good riddance for the next few days.
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He was banned? I can't say I'm surprised. That's what happens when you try and impersonate a real live person. It's one thing to keep coming back with different usernames again and again(which he did) but quite another to try and get some credibility with other posters by using the good name of another person. That reeks of a different level of desperation.

At first I didn't think twice when he said he was Mattos but I started to become suspicious when he used that media based picture of Mattos and his wife as his avatar as opposed to a personal shot and he continuously asked other posters what they thought about his beautiful wife. What real person would do that? Then when he posted that she was pregnant in that photo and I did a quick search which told me she had already had the child when that photo was taken I knew he was a fraud. Also, when I asked him about it directly, he didn't answer me. That further told me he was a fraud because if he were the real Mattos he would answer immediately and clear things up. He then took that avatar picture down--another fact confirming his false identity.

I noticed the mods deleted his profile information where he said he was Mattos the ex-football player and current yoga instructor. I wonder if the real Mattos did get wind of the situation and contact TTW? Something like that must have happened because why would the mods specifically delete his 'false" profile info otherwise? SMH.

What a kook, lol. I'm sure he'll be back in some other incarnation soon enough. :oops:
 
As far as tier one greats are concerned, no one will ever question Fed or Nadal. Both could be hit by a bus tomorrow, and it wouldn't matter.

Why isn't Djoker viewed in the same light? The reasons are numerous and well documented.

Djoker had years of opportunities to prove he was on their level or better. Outside of a brief moment in 2011, he failed in virtually every opportunity. At the moment, all you can say is Djoker is better than Murray, Wawrinka and the current cast of chumps. That said, even Murray and Wawrinka have forced Djoker to hoist a frisbee a time or three.
 
Antonio Puente said:
...At the moment, all you can say is Djoker is better than Murray, Wawrinka and the current cast of chumps. That said, even Murray and Wawrinka have forcef Djoker to hoist a frisbee a time or three.
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A little harsh maybe but :D:D:D

Whose the best of the chumps ?

GOAT chump Bernie.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
If you think about it, compared to every other tier 1 great of the Open Era, he doesn't really have one. Borg never won the USO, Sampras never won the French and was lacklustre on clay in general, Nadal never won the WTF and has a mediocre record indoors(not to mention one or two other things truth be told) and Federer's is obviously his poor H2H against Nadal. With Djokovic however, and especially now he's completed the Career Grand Slam, it's difficult to really pick one since he also has a winning H2H over all his main rivals and his resume as a whole looks so incredibly well balanced. I suppose some of you might say the Olympic gold medal but I'm not sure that's such a big deal given that it's only played once every four years and tennis as a sport has only been part of the event since the late 80s. I guess if I were really pushed to choose something it would be only winning one slam per season between 2012-14 since they were smack bang in the middle of his prime years but even that might be scraping the barrel considering it's a player's overall achievements that matter the most, not one specific time frame.

Thoughts?
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Honestly, it's that he allowed his generational rival (Nadal) to pull so far ahead of him after Djoker hit his prime in 2011. All those Rafa slams - even the RGs - were missed opportunities to really solidify his legacy. Rafa, a lesser talent IMO really maxed out his opportunities at Djoker's direct loss. Now Djoker is forced to play a nearly impossible catch-up game. Rafa protected Fed's legacy and made his own. That's the hole, such as it is. He can overcome it.
 
cc0509 said:
He was banned? I can't say I'm surprised. That's what happens when you try and impersonate a real live person. It's one thing to keep coming back with different usernames again and again(which he did) but quite another to try and get some credibility with other posters by using the good name of another person. That reeks of a different level of desperation.

At first I didn't think twice when he said he was Mattos but I started to become suspicious when he used that media based picture of Mattos and his wife as his avatar as opposed to a personal shot and he continuously asked other posters what they thought about his beautiful wife. What real person would do that? Then when he posted that she was pregnant in that photo and I did a quick search which told me she had already had the child when that photo was taken I knew he was a fraud. Also, when I asked him about it directly, he didn't answer me. That further told me he was a fraud because if he were the real Mattos he would answer immediately and clear things up. He then took that avatar picture down--another fact confirming his false identity.

I noticed the mods deleted his profile information where he said he was Mattos the ex-football player and current yoga instructor. I wonder if the real Mattos did get wind of the situation and contact TTW? Something like that must have happened because why would the mods specifically delete his 'false" profile info otherwise? SMH.

What a kook, lol. I'm sure he'll be back in some other incarnation soon enough. :oops:
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The real Mattos has better things than do than swim in this cess pool.
 
cc0509 said:
He was banned? I can't say I'm surprised. That's what happens when you try and impersonate a real live person. It's one thing to keep coming back with different usernames again and again(which he did) but quite another to try and get some credibility with other posters by using the good name of another person. That reeks of a different level of desperation.

At first I didn't think twice when he said he was Mattos but I started to become suspicious when he used that media based picture of Mattos and his wife as his avatar as opposed to a personal shot and he continuously asked other posters what they thought about his beautiful wife. What real person would do that? Then when he posted that she was pregnant in that photo and I did a quick search which told me she had already had the child when that photo was taken I knew he was a fraud. Also, when I asked him about it directly, he didn't answer me. That further told me he was a fraud because if he were the real Mattos he would answer immediately and clear things up. He then took that avatar picture down--another fact confirming his false identity.

I noticed the mods deleted his profile information where he said he was Mattos the ex-football player and current yoga instructor. I wonder if the real Mattos did get wind of the situation and contact TTW? Something like that must have happened because why would the mods specifically delete his 'false" profile info otherwise? SMH.

What a kook, lol. I'm sure he'll be back in some other incarnation soon enough. :oops:
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One time he impersonated both Nadal and Agassi (NadalAgassi), when Rafa was still winning. Nads got fed up and said: "he is not me, no"?
 
cc0509 said:
He was banned? I can't say I'm surprised. That's what happens when you try and impersonate a real live person. It's one thing to keep coming back with different usernames again and again(which he did) but quite another to try and get some credibility with other posters by using the good name of another person. That reeks of a different level of desperation.

At first I didn't think twice when he said he was Mattos but I started to become suspicious when he used that media based picture of Mattos and his wife as his avatar as opposed to a personal shot and he continuously asked other posters what they thought about his beautiful wife. What real person would do that? Then when he posted that she was pregnant in that photo and I did a quick search which told me she had already had the child when that photo was taken I knew he was a fraud. Also, when I asked him about it directly, he didn't answer me. That further told me he was a fraud because if he were the real Mattos he would answer immediately and clear things up. He then took that avatar picture down--another fact confirming his false identity.

I noticed the mods deleted his profile information where he said he was Mattos the ex-football player and current yoga instructor. I wonder if the real Mattos did get wind of the situation and contact TTW? Something like that must have happened because why would the mods specifically delete his 'false" profile info otherwise? SMH.

What a kook, lol. I'm sure he'll be back in some other incarnation soon enough. :oops:
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If he's fake, it goes deeper than that even, because he's emailed me with "Grantloganmattos" as part of the email address
 
Incognito said:
Well, djokovic is not the greatest of anything!

He's not the greatest on HC, far from the greatest on grass and clay.
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He still may get there on overall HC, another USO would be preferable though,as increasing his legacy from 2 USO's is important.
He already is the greatest on slow-medium hard court, like the AO and IW/Miami.
And the story is still being told at Melbourne Park, another one he equals Sampras/ Fed at Wimby, with an outside chance of more. (catching Nadal at RG is not an unrealistic goal)
And of course the Indoor record and WTF's is within sights as well.
The other 2 surfaces, he won't set any records, we know that.
 
abmk said:
what else do you expect when you don't even read and understand what I wrote previously

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no, it didn't. Cilic in that kind of form would've beat him. ( I know he hasn't won against Nole, but if there was any time he was going to beat Nole, that would be it )
"

"Yeah, that's what someone like you would've said about del potro before USO 09 final ..
or about safin before USO 00 final ..
or wawrinka before AO 14 final .."

"and you didn't have a certain stan wawrinka break not just a non-winning record, but a non-set winning record in a slam earlier that year ..

Cilic in GOATing form would be toast vs Novak in USO 14, got it !"


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Novak simply wasn't in good enough form -- even if he got past Nishikori. He'd need to be in USO 11 form to beat that GOATing cilic and its unlikely that version of Djokovic would've turned up in the final.....
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2014 USO was a stain, but yes it is uncertain as to whether Novak would have got past Cilic.
Cilic was in once in a lifetime form, a bit like Delpo 2009, and with a similar hard hitting game to Delpo, but with a bigger serve.
Maybe that matchup problem for Cilic may have got into his head, we will never know.
 
MichaelNadal said:
The real Mattos has better things than do than swim in this cess pool.
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125downthemiddle said:
If he's fake, it goes deeper than that even, because he's emailed me with "Grantloganmattos" as part of the email address
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The cuckoo runs deep with him. Welcome to the internet!
 
Djokovic2011 said:
If you think about it, compared to every other tier 1 great of the Open Era, he doesn't really have one. Borg never won the USO, Sampras never won the French and was lacklustre on clay in general, Nadal never won the WTF and has a mediocre record indoors(not to mention one or two other things truth be told) and Federer's is obviously his poor H2H against Nadal. With Djokovic however, and especially now he's completed the Career Grand Slam, it's difficult to really pick one since he also has a winning H2H over all his main rivals and his resume as a whole looks so incredibly well balanced. I suppose some of you might say the Olympic gold medal but I'm not sure that's such a big deal given that it's only played once every four years and tennis as a sport has only been part of the event since the late 80s. I guess if I were really pushed to choose something it would be only winning one slam per season between 2012-14 since they were smack bang in the middle of his prime years but even that might be scraping the barrel considering it's a player's overall achievements that matter the most, not one specific time frame.

Thoughts?
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The main stain on Djokovic's resume will be his dealing with the ball kids at Miami and Wimbledon last year. Some pretty bad blow ups.
 
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