What's the one hole/stain in Djokovic's resume?

tennisaddict said:
There is nothing unique about his resume , Whatever he has done has been already accomplished by someone

Eg Rafa 9FO better than his 6 AO
His 4 in a row bettered by 2 CYGS by Later
His 12 majors is insignificant compared to others
His weeks at 1, years at 1, YE 1 are again lesser ,

I am more interested in comparing resumes of players who have unique achievements
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Interesting...
Has your Rafa or Laver (Later as you call him) won 30 slam matches in a row?
29 Masters?
Your Rafa has the 4 in a row, right?
How many times your Rafa has won first 3 M1000 in a row?
Unless you believe only thing that matters is # of FO, total number of slams and weeks at #1?

And Novak is still going and going. "Others" - not so much...
 
Djokovic2011 said:
That doesn't really make sense, unless you believe losing in the final is more of a stain than going out in the early rounds? A 12-8 record in GS finals is way more impressive than a 12-2 one.
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Is that what you said when comparing Federer's Wimbledon finals record against Sampras's? What about Federer losing all those clay court finals to Nadal and jeopardising their H2H when he could've lost in the semis and made it a lot closer?

:rolleyes:
 
SQA333 said:
Is that what you said when comparing Federer's Wimbledon finals record against Sampras's? What about Federer losing all those clay court finals to Nadal and jeopardising their H2H when he could've lost in the semis and made it a lot closer?

:rolleyes:
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Why are you making out these are things I've said before? :confused:
 
TupeloDanger said:
Winning the French, Wimbledon, and the US Open in one year is easily the most impressive achievement in men's tennis in decades. I grudgingly admit this as a Nadal hater. It's a more impressive thing than any item on Federer's resume, much as I wish it weren't.

There's no such thing as a "Non-Calendar Year Grand Slam," since the grand slam is, by definition, in a single calendar year. No bonus points awarded for non-achievement. It's pathetic to have to make up labels to support your claim to greatness. It's a "Non-Calendar year assortment of four tournament wins."
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Out of interest, is there any achievement throughout Djokovic's career that you think is impressive?
 
TupeloDanger said:
Winning the French, Wimbledon, and the US Open in one year is easily the most impressive achievement in men's tennis in decades. I grudgingly admit this as a Nadal hater. It's a more impressive thing than any item on Federer's resume, much as I wish it weren't.

There's no such thing as a "Non-Calendar Year Grand Slam," since the grand slam is, by definition, in a single calendar year. No bonus points awarded for non-achievement. It's pathetic to have to make up labels to support your claim to greatness. It's a "Non-Calendar year assortment of four tournament wins."
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No it's definitely not. There are several more impressive seasons than Nadal's 2010. You can drop the act of whose side you are on.

The 4 in a row is a huge thing. From Laver to Djokovic, you won't find anyone holding all Slams at one point. A bigger part of that period was when Australian Open already became a true Slam which started about 30 years ago. Trying to make "calendar year achievements" the only important ones is the only pathetic thing here.

If you want to play the calendar game, guess whose seasons are the best after Laver's 1969. Yep, it's Djokovic 2015, followed by Federer 2006.
 
uliks said:
Who cares about Cincy or Dubai really?! I know Djokovic it doesn't atleast not in the same way he cares for USO and W.

You're right. You've been very subjective here. 4 in a row or NCYGS + WTF >clearly whatever achievement Nadal or Federer have in a span of 365 days. That's the hard reality Gary.
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But it isn't really is it! Had novak done all this when federer and Nadal were at their peak then there was a debate. But as of 2014 the end of nadal's peak djokovic had 6 majors! That is a reality
 
Emperor of Belgrade said:
No it's definitely not. There are several more impressive seasons than Nadal's 2010. You can drop the act of whose side you are on.

The 4 in a row is a huge thing. From Laver to Djokovic, you won't find anyone holding all Slams at one point. A bigger part of that period was when Australian Open already became a true Slam which started about 30 years ago. Trying to make "calendar year achievements" the only important ones is the only pathetic thing here.

If you want to play the calendar game, guess whose seasons are the best after Laver's 1969. Yep, it's Djokovic 2015, followed by Federer 2006.
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No you miss the point. Djokovic is more consistent but what Nadal did in 2010 will never be repeated as to adjust to changes in surfaces as fast as he did to win majors is remarkable. Djokovic has never been able to do that it takes him more time
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punterlad said:
But it isn't really is it! Had novak done all this when federer and Nadal were at their peak then there was a debate. But as of 2014 the end of nadal's peak djokovic had 6 majors! That is a reality
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And... your point is...?
There are other players than Nadal and Federer that challenge them all in a different way, therefore, different eras.
If Federer had a single decent player in some of his Slam win draws, then...
If Nadal could repeat another AO or another USO...
If, if...
Maybe the "experts" here should trim all the achievements according to personal preference and scratch the rest? Federer would end up with 5-6 slams in his pocket then. Nadal with 3-4 FO?
 
punterlad said:
But it isn't really is it! Had novak done all this when federer and Nadal were at their peak then there was a debate. But as of 2014 the end of nadal's peak djokovic had 6 majors! That is a reality
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If that's how you feel then why did you have Nadal, Federer and Djokovic as the three greatest players ever after the French Open? If you view Novak as still being on 6 majors then surely he isn't even above the likes of Connors and McEnroe yet?
 
tennisaddict said:
You cannot hold it against Laver because it was not his fault that they changed surface.
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You said there is nothing unique about Djokovic's resume and I've proved you wrong. You have lost the argument.

that is all that matter
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It's not "that is all that matter" but "that is all that matters".

The point system is a more recent phenomenon and older players were not part of the same system
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You're a hypocrite. You mentioned Nadal's 9 FO despite the fact that players such as Pancho Gonzales were banned from competing in the majors until the Open Era began in 1968. How many USO would Gonzales have won?
 
5555 said:
You said there is nothing unique about Djokovic's resume and I've proved you wrong. You have lost the argument.



It's not "that is all that matter" but "that is all that matters".



You're a hypocrite. You mentioned Nadal's 9 FO despite the fact that players such as Pancho Gonzales were banned from competing in the majors until the Open Era began in 1968. How many USO would Gonzales have won?
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Don't you get tired of typing in bold and underlining specific words?
 
Djokovic2011 said:
If that's how you feel then why did you have Nadal, Federer and Djokovic as the three greatest players ever after the French Open? If you view Novak as still being on 6 majors then surely he isn't even above the likes of Connors and McEnroe yet?
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Connors and Mcneroe being compared to Djokovic???
 
dr325i said:
And... your point is...?
There are other players than Nadal and Federer that challenge them all in a different way, therefore, different eras.
If Federer had a single decent player in some of his Slam win draws, then...
If Nadal could repeat another AO or another USO...
If, if...
Maybe the "experts" here should trim all the achievements according to personal preference and scratch the rest? Federer would end up with 5-6 slams in his pocket then. Nadal with 3-4 FO?
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Look as much as you try djokovic is still some way behind nadal. I know t pains you but the facts speak for themselves. Djokovic has one meaningful achievement Nadal doesn't that is holding all four majors at same time. Although I would argue nadal 2010 getting three on three different surfaces in six months was actually more impressive
 
punterlad said:
Actually djokovic is the most lopsided of the three great champions. Too hard court dominated
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You failed to mention Nadals inability to defend of Clay hahaha... Nadal is so bad he can't even defend atp250 off clay ahahaha GARY20 AHAHA
 
xFedal said:
You failed to mention Nadals inability to defend of Clay hahaha... Nadal is so bad he can't even defend atp250 off clay ahahaha GARY20 AHAHA
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What sort of desperate argument is that! Let's see if djokovic can defend the French open!!!! Lol.

Im sure at USO its 2-1 nadal and at French open its 6-1! Is your point u think USO is on clay? I thought it is hard court myself! My telly must be broke!
 
Won half of his slams in an extremely weak period. But to his credit the other half came against extremely strong opponents.
 
punterlad said:
What sort of desperate argument is that! Let's see if djokovic can defend the French open!!!! Lol.

Im sure at USO its 2-1 nadal and at French open its 6-1! Is your point u think USO is on clay? I thought it is hard court myself! My telly must be broke!
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Does Nadal have more USO than Djokovic? Was Nadal good enough to make Wimbledon Finals in 2013,2014,2015? Was Nadal good enough to make USO Finals in 2007,2015... Nadal couldn't even make it to Australian Open final so many times... How many times is this chump not going to show up..... His h2h with Federer is Clay screwed and with Novak he beat 6 times at French Open Big WOW!!! Novak has beaten Nadal at all 4 slams the same can't be said about chump Nadal...
 
In 5 years "weak era" argument is not gonna exist cause nobody gonna remember.Only and only thing which people outside TT message boards will remember are GS.Other that that nobody cares.Untill Djokovic gets to 14 Nadal is better.If he gets to 14 he definitely have a tiebreaker and then we can speak about Masters,weeks number 1,consecutive majors....But until then arguing is pointless
 
Djokovic2011 said:
If you think about it, compared to every other tier 1 great of the Open Era, he doesn't really have one. Borg never won the USO, Sampras never won the French and was lacklustre on clay in general, Nadal never won the WTF and has a mediocre record indoors(not to mention one or two other things truth be told) and Federer's is obviously his poor H2H against Nadal. With Djokovic however, and especially now he's completed the Career Grand Slam, it's difficult to really pick one since he also has a winning H2H over all his main rivals and his resume as a whole looks so incredibly well balanced. I suppose some of you might say the Olympic gold medal but I'm not sure that's such a big deal given that it's only played once every four years and tennis as a sport has only been part of the event since the late 80s. I guess if I were really pushed to choose something it would be only winning one slam per season between 2012-14 since they were smack bang in the middle of his prime years but even that might be scraping the barrel considering it's a player's overall achievements that matter the most, not one specific time frame.

Thoughts?
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It's very well balanced, but so too is Federer's resume, with a tilt towards Wimbledon, just like Djokovic's resume is tilted towards the AO (although not as much, yet).

If Djokovic gets to 14 with a more balanced record than Nadal, I wouldn't say that makes his 14 more impressive. 9 FO is insane, just like 7 W is insane. (I would put him over Nadal for having truly dominated his era, which Nadal never really did at length, and having more time at #1).

Nadal, for example, has to be in the discussion as a Tier-1 ATG because of his 14 Majors, but also because you can't really imagine any other ATG being able to beat him more often than not on clay, even Borg. That's a big deal.
 
xFedal said:
Does Nadal have more USO than Djokovic? Was Nadal good enough to make Wimbledon Finals in 2013,2014,2015? Was Nadal good enough to make USO Finals in 2007,2015... Nadal couldn't even make it to Australian Open final so many times... How many times is this chump not going to show up..... His h2h with Federer is Clay screwed and with Novak he beat 6 times at French Open Big WOW!!! Novak has beaten Nadal at all 4 slams the same can't be said about chump Nadal...
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The chump u refer to has more majors than the Serbian guy you adore. On his best surface he has 9 majors!! On his worse surface he has two majors!! He has beat your guy on his best surface multiple times and then won the tournament yet your guy has still to prove he can get past nadal to win the French open.

Djojvic is definitely a more successful loser than nadal as their respective major final win loss records show.

If it were me I'd rather have nadal's resume but then I like winning.

This wimbledon disaster for djokovic has really brought out some butt hurt fans. He lost, he lost his chance at history, just deal with it. What has nadal got to do with it!!

It was djokovic who said he was after breaking records. I thought t was a dumb thing to say. If Federer wins wimbledon Al of djokovics efforts the past two years will be forgotten.

FederEr will be unsurpassable as GOAT. Whereas nadal won't be bothered as he has always said he is more than happy with what he has won, djokovic will be distraught! He should not have said he was gunning for records. Daft thing to say
 
xFedal said:
You said Federer Career Better I agree but Nadals? He has only 1 thing going for him and this is Roland Garros title. Everywhere Else Novak Is Better!
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Nadal better at FO by a mile and also better at USO. Becker himself acknowledges that!!!
 
eagletennis said:
In 5 years "weak era" argument is not gonna exist cause nobody gonna remember.Only and only thing which people outside TT message boards will remember are GS.Other that that nobody cares.Untill Djokovic gets to 14 Nadal is better.If he gets to 14 he definitely have a tiebreaker and then we can speak about Masters,weeks number 1,consecutive majors....But until then arguing is pointless
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Totally agree. Right now federEr is two matches away from sealing the debate on goahood
 
punterlad said:
The chump u refer to has more majors than the Serbian guy you adore. On his best surface he has 9 majors!! On his worse surface he has two majors!! He has beat your guy on his best surface multiple times and then won the tournament yet your guy has still to prove he can get past nadal to win the French open.

Djojvic is definitely a more successful loser than nadal as their respective major final win loss records show.

If it were me I'd rather have nadal's resume but then I like winning.

This wimbledon disaster for djokovic has really brought out some butt hurt fans. He lost, he lost his chance at history, just deal with it. What has nadal got to do with it!!

It was djokovic who said he was after breaking records. I thought t was a dumb thing to say. If Federer wins wimbledon Al of djokovics efforts the past two years will be forgotten.

FederEr will be unsurpassable as GOAT. Whereas nadal won't be bothered as he has always said he is more than happy with what he has won, djokovic will be distraught! He should not have said he was gunning for records. Daft thing to say
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Listen Dude, 49 Clay Titles out of 69? WTF!!! 49 CLAY TITLES? Are you kidding me.... on minority surface... but less than 20 titles on Hard court surface which consist of 60% of the tour... what a horribly one sided resume. Novak has 13 Clay Titles and 12 Indoor Titles... Nadal has Played WTF so many times yet he can't even win it once..... Novak has more complete resume.. He is more dominant than Nadal and he is more consistent.... Nadal has never had back to back multi Slam seasons.... Nadal has never defended his No.1 Position.... ****** has never defended a title outside of Clay... Nadal is the one taking 7 month breaks from the tour, Nadal was Feds pigeon in the rankings for 160 Consecutive Weeks!!!
 
punterlad said:
Nadal better at FO by a mile and also better at USO. Becker himself acknowledges that!!!
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Yh lets see if this chump can even make the USO Finals this year.... Nadal was destroyed by Novak in 2015 RG... A thrashing Nadal has never ever had before at his own Favorite Slam. Novak has defeated Nadal at French Open FACT!! Nadal has not Defeated Novak at Australian Open, in fact many a time he failed to show up at Novaks territory...Nadal aslo Failed to show up at Feds terroritory in Feds Prime as well USO and Cincy.... Look at Novak all ways there at Cincy and Dubai, USO..... Novak has been facing Fed at USO from 2007 til 2015 6 times... Nadals failure to make it onto the opponents territory is well documented..... Nadal resume is too one sided it's a joke to defend it.
 
Federer 17 > Sampras 14 and Nadal 14 > Djokovic 12 - give Sampras advantage over Nadal with both tied at 14 GS because of Pete's longer time at #1 ranking and Wimby (Pete's pet slam) is the most prestigious of the slams.

It's simple arithmetic!
 
dh003i said:
It's very well balanced, but so too is Federer's resume, with a tilt towards Wimbledon, just like Djokovic's resume is tilted towards the AO (although not as much, yet).

If Djokovic gets to 14 with a more balanced record than Nadal, I wouldn't say that makes his 14 more impressive. 9 FO is insane, just like 7 W is insane. (I would put him over Nadal for having truly dominated his era, which Nadal never really did at length, and having more time at #1).

Nadal, for example, has to be in the discussion as a Tier-1 ATG because of his 14 Majors, but also because you can't really imagine any other ATG being able to beat him more often than not on clay, even Borg. That's a big deal.
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Many things can be held against Nadal that can't be against Novak.... Nadal has never had any concentrated dominance, lacks consistency.... Trouble making Semis of Slams for 2 years... 4 disasters in a row at Wimbledon..... Nadal failed to defend a non clay title.... Nadal failed to have back to back Multi Slam season, failed to defend his No.1 position......
 
TennisCJC said:
Federer 17 > Sampras 14 and Nadal 14 > Djokovic 12 - give Sampras advantage over Nadal with both tied at 14 GS because of Pete's longer time at #1 ranking and Wimby (Pete's pet slam) is the most prestigious of the slams.

It's simple arithmetic!
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Pete was inconsistent.... Novak has been better at Masters and Masters Cup than both.... Now PeteDal lack dominance.... Fedovic has multiple 3 slam seasons, Fedovic have multiple dominant streaks... If Novak wins French Open again then its over for Nadal and Sampras.....
 
xFedal said:
Listen Dude, 49 Clay Titles out of 69? WTF!!! 49 CLAY TITLES? Are you kidding me.... on minority surface... but less than 20 titles on Hard court surface which consist of 60% of the tour... what a horribly one sided resume. Novak has 13 Clay Titles and 12 Indoor Titles... Nadal has Played WTF so many times yet he can't even win it once..... Novak has more complete resume.. He is more dominant than Nadal and he is more consistent.... Nadal has never had back to back multi Slam seasons.... Nadal has never defended his No.1 Position.... ****** has never defended a title outside of Clay... Nadal is the one taking 7 month breaks from the tour, Nadal was Feds pigeon in the rankings for 160 Consecutive Weeks!!!
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Lmao!! The majors are what define a player!! And as for now nadal has 14, the channel slam twice and Olympic gold! Dude it is what it is and right now rafa is the alpha male. Only federer compares. Djokovic has never beat peak federer either. Rafa has.

Sorry but u can rely on Mickey mouse tournaments all u like but the world looks at majors!! USO 2013 was such an important match. Guess who won.
 
xFedal said:
Pete was inconsistent.... Novak has been better at Masters and Masters Cup than both.... Now PeteDal lack dominance.... Fedovic has multiple 3 slam seasons, Fedovic have multiple dominant streaks... If Novak wins French Open again then its over for Nadal and Sampras.....
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Djokovic has just gone out of wimbledon at third round!! When did nadal or sampras get spanked at their peak in a major?!!

Stop whining. 14 beats 12. Deal with it Dude
 
xFedal said:
Many things can be held against Nadal that can't be against Novak.... Nadal has never had any concentrated dominance, lacks consistency.... Trouble making Semis of Slams for 2 years... 4 disasters in a row at Wimbledon..... Nadal failed to defend a non clay title.... Nadal failed to have back to back Multi Slam season, failed to defend his No.1 position......
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Be let was world no.1 for 12 weeks. Courier 56 weeks! Becker never defended a major outside of wimbledon. Is that brought up? No! Is becker considered greater than courier? Yes. Ditto nadal over djokovic
 
TennisCJC said:
Federer 17 > Sampras 14 and Nadal 14 > Djokovic 12 - give Sampras advantage over Nadal with both tied at 14 GS because of Pete's longer time at #1 ranking and Wimby (Pete's pet slam) is the most prestigious of the slams.

It's simple arithmetic!
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Give nadal edge over Pete due to golden slam.
 
xFedal said:
Yh lets see if this chump can even make the USO Finals this year.... Nadal was destroyed by Novak in 2015 RG... A thrashing Nadal has never ever had before at his own Favorite Slam. Novak has defeated Nadal at French Open FACT!! Nadal has not Defeated Novak at Australian Open, in fact many a time he failed to show up at Novaks territory...Nadal aslo Failed to show up at Feds terroritory in Feds Prime as well USO and Cincy.... Look at Novak all ways there at Cincy and Dubai, USO..... Novak has been facing Fed at USO from 2007 til 2015 6 times... Nadals failure to make it onto the opponents territory is well documented..... Nadal resume is too one sided it's a joke to defend it.
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But djokovics is more one sided!! Do the maths lol!! We are talking majors mate! Post 2014 nadal was not peak nadal!!

Beating nadal after that everyone was doing! Don't even go there with French open as it just embarrasses djokovic . 6-1 is embarrassing. Then 2-1 in nadals favour on djokovics best surface just adds salt to the wounds.

If I were u Id think about what u doing sunday as if it Federer v murray its nightmare day for djoker fans.
 
punterlad said:
Djokovic has just gone out of wimbledon at third round!! When did nadal or sampras get spanked at their peak in a major?!!

Stop whining. 14 beats 12. Deal with it Dude
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French Open 2009 says hi... Rosol Says Hi, Darcis says hi, Krygios says Hi, Brown Says Hi, Tsonga Says Hi, Ferrer says hi, Del Potro says Hi.... Nadal has had so many upsets its unreal...
 
punterlad said:
Be let was world no.1 for 12 weeks. Courier 56 weeks! Becker never defended a major outside of wimbledon. Is that brought up? No! Is becker considered greater than courier? Yes. Ditto nadal over djokovic
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It's never brought up because Becker is not a GOAT contender.... Mr Novak Djokovic has surpassed the Lavers record.... Djokovic > Laver > Nadal.....
 
punterlad said:
But djokovics is more one sided!! Do the maths lol!! We are talking majors mate! Post 2014 nadal was not peak nadal!!

Beating nadal after that everyone was doing! Don't even go there with French open as it just embarrasses djokovic . 6-1 is embarrassing. Then 2-1 in nadals favour on djokovics best surface just adds salt to the wounds.

If I were u Id think about what u doing sunday as if it Federer v murray its nightmare day for djoker fans.
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As a British Tennis Fan I am happy about Federer vs Murray. By the way I am a fan of Murray and Federer.... But don't embarass Nadal anymore... Ask Nadal who is his toughest opponent and he will tell you straight its Djokovic....
 
xFedal said:
French Open 2009 says hi... Rosol Says Hi, Darcis says hi, Krygios says Hi, Brown Says Hi, Tsonga Says Hi, Ferrer says hi, Del Potro says Hi.... Nadal has had so many upsets its unreal...
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Not when he is fit or at his peak!! Like frderer he was a machine. Didn't get bummed out by querrey at his best.
 
punterlad said:
Not when he is fit or at his peak!! Like frderer he was a machine. Didn't get bummed out by querrey at his best.
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Nadal and Machine you kidding me. Fedovic are machines.... Have you seen Fedovics consistency mate? Fedovic kick Rafas arse mate. Ask Rafa himself.
 
xFedal said:
It's never brought up because Becker is not a GOAT contender.... Mr Novak Djokovic has surpassed the Lavers record.... Djokovic > Laver > Nadal.....
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Now you just getting deluded!! Djokovic failed to get the Grand slam!! Laver did it twice or did u forget!! It has to be done in one year. Anything else is a career slam which nadal got 6 years ago and federer 7! Fact it took your guy so log is hilarious!! The rules don't change depending who is innthe argument!! I am right you are wrong. Nadal is the best federer may take the mantle if he gets wimbledon, federer v nadal the box office hit....djokovic still an also ran compared to those two
 
xFedal said:
Nadal and Machine you kidding me. Fedovic are machines.... Have you seen Fedovics consistency mate? Fedovic kick Rafas arse mate. Ask Rafa himself.
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Not in the majors and winning!! It's madal and federer who consistently won! Novak was a consistent runner up.
 
punterlad said:
Now you just getting deluded!! Djokovic failed to get the Grand slam!! Laver did it twice or did u forget!! It has to be done in one year. Anything else is a career slam which nadal got 6 years ago and federer 7! Fact it took your guy so log is hilarious!! The rules don't change depending who is innthe argument!! I am right you are wrong. Nadal is the best federer may take the mantle if he gets wimbledon, federer v nadal the box office hit....djokovic still an also ran compared to those two
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Nadal set up a company in San Sebastián to pay less taxes.
 
xFedal said:
As a British Tennis Fan I am happy about Federer vs Murray. By the way I am a fan of Murray and Federer.... But don't embarass Nadal anymore... Ask Nadal who is his toughest opponent and he will tell you straight its Djokovic....
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Nadal is the goat how can he be embarrassed? As usual there is a section of djokovic fans who try to put djokovic at same level as fedal! Ask federer who the greatest player he ever played is! It's nadal!! Ask nadal who the goat is? It's federer. Djokovic not in the conversation. Sorry but cold fActs. He needed wimbledon but blew it. Oh well cest la vie soft lad . Stop crying though. U r a male not a girl!!
 
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