What's the regional rating range here?

ZanderGoga

Semi-Pro
The real regional gap lies between the virtual and meat spaces, where it's approximately (online rating - 2.0) = approximate real life, on court level of play.

The really amazing part of the cognitive dissonance is that those claiming lofty heights seem to think the posting video of themselves sucking at tennis won't diminish their claims. The whole TennisTroll world lives in bizarroland, where four time state champions can't serve or hit backhands or run. It's pathetic on a scale rarely seen outside of Tennis Warehouse racquet reviewers pretending to serve 120 mph.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Anyone with a C rating, is that rating no matter those opinions of play. You can find a lot of comparisons that Schmeke has done with variability of ratings across the county, and there isn't as much level difference as usually talked about.

Most won't post video of themselves because they don't want to face the reality of what they look like actually playing and the MO of most matches in general. They will continue to tell you any particular rating above 3.5, isn't so based on that perception of their own play or watching too many highlight videos only showing the good points and not the DFs, serve points, and serve +1 that usually dominate a match.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
Tennis hot spots have enough players to field full 5.0 leagues. Other places the 5.0 league has just two teams in it so many 5.0s in these places play down and write letters begging to be get their rating adjusted downward thus perverting the 4.5 levels there.
 

AnyPUG

Professional
Anyone with a C rating, is that rating no matter those opinions of play.
You make some good points, and there's no denying.

However, a C rating can be manufactured by various sandbagging strategies, smart defaulting, timely line adjustments etc. However the very 'objective' opinion making of collective TTW wisdom based on intelligent visual clues is far superior, imo :)
 

GuyClinch

Legend
People of above average physical fitness - like the two 4.5s in the video will continue to play 4.5 tennis is great conditions.

Just because MEP couldn't beat Topher doesn't mean that Wannabe Pro won't. That's just bad handicapping. I think Wannabe pro would cruise past Topher if they had a match. Assuming Topher doesn't improve. Wannabe Pro does most things better then Topher - so it shouldn't be a problem.

Now in harsh grueling conditions - fitness because more important then tennis skill.. What the high skill players have to hope for is that they can so easily dispatch the their fitter rivals that they can't bring fitness into the match..

This is why older high skill players like doubles. It's almost all about the skill and mostly not about the fitness.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
You make some good points, and there's no denying.

However, a C rating can be manufactured by various sandbagging strategies, smart defaulting, timely line adjustments etc. However the very 'objective' opinion making of collective TTW wisdom based on intelligent visual clues is far superior, imo :)

Yeah, there is shenanigans, but the point is simply that a C rated player IS that rating and it isn't made up. Even if they are sandbagging, they still earned that rating. The big point for TTW folks is NO ONE can sandbag or fake a higher rating than whatever their opinion might be of the look of that player. And that is where is gets absolute and comical how arduoudly the stomp their feet and scream anything to the contrary.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
Most won't post video of themselves because they don't want to face the reality of what they look like actually playing and the MO of most matches in general. They will continue to tell you any particular rating above 3.5, isn't so based on that perception of their own play or watching too many highlight videos only showing the good points and not the DFs, serve points, and serve +1 that usually dominate a match.
Their thought process seems to run like this:

- I watch almost exclusively highlight reels of pros
- Therefore, this is what normal tennis looks like
- I've never watched myself on film but I don't need to because I know what I look like
- I think I do similar things that the pros do, although maybe not as quickly or smoothly
- These 2 clowns in the current video I'm watching don't look anything like the pros
- They're not even as good as my own self-perception and they don't fit my mental picture of what this level can do
- Therefore, their rating must be grossly over-inflated

[Goes off to find a hypothesis that supports his conclusion.]
 

Wurm

Semi-Pro
Most won't post video of themselves because they don't want to face the reality of what they look like actually playing
I won't post a video of myself because I like anonymity! Besides, there ain't anyone on here who can help me in any way I can't help myself and if I need help I'll make use of a coach, albeit I've good:bad ratio of coaches of 1:5 thus far and the good one is at a club 100 miles away from where I now live. I could do with a good coach now to tidy up some ragged ends in my game that are probably behind some of the wild swings in form I'm susceptible to but it's not really about technique at this stage, it's about practicing certain categories of shots that rarely crop up in normal play but are costing me against better players.

The guys in the video would be playing doubles around division 8/9 of my local leagues, btw. It's the capital city so it's a pretty strong league and you're basically doing a linear drop-off of the average level in each division that runs from almost pros, so estimated 6.5/6.0 level, at division 1 standard down to an estimated 4.0 at division 9. I'm around division 4/5 standard, so make of that what you will.

However, in a prior league I played in in a much less populous area, thus there was a lot less strength in depth, they'd be division 4 players. I know for a fact that one guy who played in that league now plays doubles for a living and another still had active ATP points. I don't know about my current league as I'm a bit more disconnected from the top guys but I have played one of them in singles and it was an enlightening experience...
 
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