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Any health professionals here with an opinion on what it could be?
And compared to surgery he had on his elbow, is it similarly invasive, meaning is recovery time similar? It is left arm shoulder 'compared' to right hand elbow, but you know that already ...Do you know how long it takes to recover and start playing again after surgery?
Do you know how long it takes to recover and start playing again after surgery?He probably has some type of acute on chronic “impingement syndrome” based on where they’re massaging him and on his occupation as a tennis player. This is a very common tennis issue at all levels..
In layman’s term, the 4 tendons that make up your rotator cuff pass between your collar bone (clavicle) and shoulder blade (scapula). Between overuse and age, you tend to get thickening of the bone at the edge or lip of the scapula with bone spurring and the rotator cuff starts to chaff and tear against these bony ridges. When you extend and externally rotate your shoulder, you narrow that space the tendon passes through and it exaggerates the pinching of it. In tennis movements like a serve, overhead, or ball toss with your off hand (like Djokovic) would be the ones that pinch the most. His was apparently so inflamed that the external rotation with his 2HBH was now triggering it even though that movement doesn’t have as much extension. I assume trying to redirect 90-100 mph ground strokes from the biggest hitter in tennis (Stanimal) has something to do with that.
Over time you get chronic tendinitis and eventually a formal tear of the rotator cuff if it persists. The surgery for this, “subacrimial decompression”, is a common and short surgery where they shave back the bone and trim any spurs to give the tendon room to glide. I’ve had surgery for this myself on both shoulders, one from tennis on my serving arm and the other this summer from age related changes and a broken collar bone 30 years ago.
Nice detail. Cheers for thatHe probably has some type of acute on chronic “impingement syndrome” based on where they’re massaging him and on his occupation as a tennis player. This is a very common tennis issue at all levels..
In layman’s term, the 4 tendons that make up your rotator cuff pass between your collar bone (clavicle) and shoulder blade (scapula). Between overuse and age, you tend to get thickening of the bone at the edge or lip of the scapula with bone spurring and the rotator cuff starts to chaff and tear against these bony ridges. When you extend and externally rotate your shoulder, you narrow that space the tendon passes through and it exaggerates the pinching of it. In tennis movements like a serve, overhead, or ball toss with your off hand (like Djokovic) would be the ones that pinch the most. His was apparently so inflamed that the external rotation with his 2HBH was now triggering it even though that movement doesn’t have as much extension. I assume trying to redirect 90-100 mph ground strokes from the biggest hitter in tennis (Stanimal) has something to do with that.
Over time you get chronic tendinitis and eventually a formal tear of the rotator cuff if it persists. The surgery for this, “subacrimial decompression”, is a common and short surgery where they shave back the bone and trim any spurs to give the tendon room to glide. I’ve had surgery for this myself on both shoulders, one from tennis on my serving arm and the other this summer from age related changes and a broken collar bone 30 years ago.
Perhaps...Isn't it clear? With Jelena not available these days....
He probably has some type of acute on chronic “impingement syndrome” based on where they’re massaging him and on his occupation as a tennis player. This is a very common tennis issue at all levels..
In layman’s term, the 4 tendons that make up your rotator cuff pass between your collar bone (clavicle) and shoulder blade (scapula). Between overuse and age, you tend to get thickening of the bone at the edge or lip of the scapula with bone spurring and the rotator cuff starts to chaff and tear against these bony ridges. When you extend and externally rotate your shoulder, you narrow that space the tendon passes through and it exaggerates the pinching of it. In tennis movements like a serve, overhead, or ball toss with your off hand (like Djokovic) would be the ones that pinch the most. His was apparently so inflamed that the external rotation with his 2HBH was now triggering it even though that movement doesn’t have as much extension. I assume trying to redirect 90-100 mph ground strokes from the biggest hitter in tennis (Stanimal) has something to do with that.
Over time you get chronic tendinitis and eventually a formal tear of the rotator cuff if it persists. The surgery for this, “subacrimial decompression”, is a common and short surgery where they shave back the bone and trim any spurs to give the tendon room to glide. I’ve had surgery for this myself on both shoulders, one from tennis on my serving arm and the other this summer from age related changes and a broken collar bone 30 years ago.
His left shoulder? I could see if it was his right shoulderIt’s sore because of overuse?
I always thought in baseball the dominant arm is where the power comes from and the non dominant arm keeps the momentum during the follow through.I'm a one handed backhand guy... I've heard you use the non-dominant arm more than the dominant with a two handed backhand. I can see this when I think of a baseball swing—the top hand is the dominant. For this alone, I give Djokovic the benefit of the doubt. I just can't attest personally to the mechanics of a THBH.
Yes, so in tennis the non-dominant arm is the dominant arm in a modern two handed backhand. It's on the top just like in a baseball swing.I always thought in baseball the dominant arm is where the power comes from and the non dominant arm keeps the momentum during the follow through.
I dont remember the details but his swing was off at Wimbledon 2017 when he retired against Berdy. I think it might have been his shoulder. If so, I wonder if it's the same one.
I thought Wimbledon 2017 was the elbow? Either way hate to see injuries to any player
Badloseritis
At least he doesn't have tendinitis in the rotator cuff, that hurts like hell.
Chokovicitis who is afraid of true GOATAny health professionals here with an opinion on what it could be?
Its not his shoulder. Its his neck...he has an impingement at C4/C5 discs.Any health professionals here with an opinion on what it could be?
It's the curse of New York. Wawrinka unable to defend his 2016 title in 2017, Nadal has to pull out in 2018 of his 2017 defence, and 2018 champ Djokovic now retires hurt in 2019. Good luck to Pablo Andujar this time next year is all I'm saying.
I knew that, duh, yeah, obviously it was this.Its not his shoulder. Its his neck...he has an impingement at C4/C5 discs.
Ive had same injury...where he was being massaged was classic neck problem in respect of the source of pain.I knew that, duh, yeah, obviously it was this.
But on a serious note, what makes you say neck?
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Fist pump didn't help
Here comes the dummy!Chokovicitis who is afraid of true GOAT
Yes. That's why we always see him futzing with his neck, side to side. That habit has been going on for years and it's finally catching up to him. Also, the trainers seemed to be consistently massaging the back part of the shoulder around the teres minor. Issues there tend to be less of a long term problem than conditions involving the front or top. I still see him giving a good chase to Roger and Rafa.Its not his shoulder. Its his neck...he has an impingement at C4/C5 discs.
In a baseball swing, the dominant arm is on top!Yes, so in tennis the non-dominant arm is the dominant arm in a modern two handed backhand. It's on the top just like in a baseball swing.
In a baseball swing, the dominant arm is on top!
Yes, so in tennis the non-dominant arm is the dominant arm in a modern two handed backhand. It's on the top just like in a baseball swing.
Apparently we have a lot of doctors around here.
That's what he's saying.
For right-hander, left arm is the top in two handed backhand. Left arm is dominant arm in two handed backhand righty.
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I'm confused, as sports-wise, I do everything righty (and also write and eat righty: throw, shoot hoops, hit a one-handed bh, etc. My dominant arm is my right. When I swing a bat, my right arm is on top...or I'd be hitting cross-handed.That's what he's saying.
For right-hander, left arm is the top in two handed backhand. Left arm is dominant arm in two handed backhand righty.
I'm confused, as sports-wise, I do everything righty (and also write and eat righty: throw, shoot hoops, hit a one-handed bh, etc. My dominant arm is my right. When I swing a bat, my right arm is on top...or I'd be hitting cross-handed.