What's wrong with the New York Open?

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
That's precisely why this tournament is such a pleasure treasure,
and the very reason it blows away the US Open.
All the city ilk and international tourists are eliminated !

If US Open is a Spring Break loud disco nightclub with sweaty bodies packed wall to wall,
then the NY Open is a quiet night at the local wine bar, where you get the corner sofa.

There is simply no comparing the 2 events,
as they serve very different crowds and mindsets.

NY Open is for hardcore tennis junkies
US Open is a media scene for tourists and autograph seekers.

One is the local fine arts cinema,
while the other is the 20 screen Multi-Super-Duper-Hyper-Ultra-Mega-Double-Extra-Triple-Extreme-Infinity-Plex.

Baking in 100 degree sweltering heat, with people packed everywhere ?
Get up and your bleacher seat is gone? Rain delays? Sunburn?
F all of that.
NY Open is indoors and you get 5 seats to yourself.
There was literally no one on line when I got myself a burger!
I am ruined. I don't think I can ever attend US Open again.

Ironically, you will see bigger stars at the NY Open.
At the US Open, you can't even get within 1000 feet of a top ATP player without getting trampled.
Hell, you can barely even see them practice.
The practice fence is packed 5 people deep. You get to see backs of heads.
$60 for some nosebleed seats that require binoculars in some NFL sized stadium.
At the US Open, I have never even come within shouting distance of an well known pro.
Just anonymous qualifiers, which is what I prefer anyway (vantage point)

But tonight, for $20, 45 mins, and $0 parking, I saw #9 Isner play.
I have never seen #9 at the US Open. I've not even been there on the same day #9 is on the grounds, LOL!
Not without binoculars. (made that Armstrong mistake once, and never went back)
At NY Open, I moved my seat every set, and saw all angles.
I would never have seen Isner at the US Open unless I brought my binoculars or paid $250.

Incidentally, this Isner was the most intense match I have seen in my life.
I know it's just some meaningless regional match,
but I felt like I was witnessing something incredible.
Now I know what "serve bot" means.
But, it was 2 serve bots pitted against each other.
I've never seen anything like this.
Neither player was able to return the other guys serve.
Maybe once per service game was a ball even put into play.
I am still trying to process it, and it warrants its own thread.
This has to be one of the most delusional posts of all time. Go to the Open for the first two weeks and you can see all the top guys and gals up close and for a reasonable price. I have no idea what this guy is talking about. Week 1 is the qualifying rounds and you can see everything for free and that includes the top guys and gals practicing on the outer courts. I saw Isner and Tiafoe two years ago and I had 3rd row center, basically courtside and I paid $125. I also saw Tsonga after Isner-Tiafoe.

Oh, and real hardcore tennis fans actually will brave those "horrible" weather and crowd conditions to watch a grand slam. If the conditions at the US Open make you want to stay away, I'd question if you are really a true fan. Oh i was gonna see Fed, The Joker or Rafa, but it's just too crowded and hot. I'll wait for the NY Open, it's close by my home and I can see Isner. LOL. Wow.
 
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the final was like a Q1 or Q2 match at us open.


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Tshooter

Legend
Does anyone know how the accounting of these tournaments works?
Sponsors pay money to have their brand promoted.
Spectators pay money to watch on TV and live.
The event pays out prize money.
Who "owns" the event? Who needs to make a profit?
It is owned by a partnership between GF Sports and BSE Global:

GF Sports is owned by GF Capital:

http://www.gfcap.com/private-equity-portfolio.html

BSE Global:

https://www.bseglobal.net/our-company/

How we got here involves a somewhat convoluted chain of ownership but I'll mention this because it may not obvious:

Do you remember the old Memphis joint ATP/WTA event. It was an ATP 500. It was purchased in 2012 and moved to Brazil. The old SAP Open (at the time in San Jose) was a 250 and was purchased and moved to Memphis. This Memphis 250 was transferred again in 2015 when GF Sports bought it and ran it in Memphis during 2016 and 2017. This is the ATP franchise that was acquired by the above mentioned partnership and relocated to Long Island.

I didn't look into it but I am near certain that both any change in ownership of an ATP franchise or decision to relocate an event must be approved by the ATP. I would assume the ATP would very likely want assurances concerning the financial viability of any potential owners, ability to run a tournament and possibly financial commitments concerning prize money, advertising and other matters adequate to hold a successful event. On the other hand, once they are met I would also think the buyer is under no obligation to continue to pour money down the drain. ;)

I would think among expenses the owners would have to rent the Nassau Colesium -- the facility itself recently underwent a reported $130 million renovation (including of interest to the players some reported very fancy backstage areas for the "talent") -- the cost of personnel at the event, prize money, appearance money for players and others (Roddick, Courier, celeb chef etc...),the tournament related events (e.g. pre-tournament EXPO and meet the players, fashion show day), marketing/advertising and all the other costs involved with putting on the event.

GF Sports owns the Atlanta 250 event so it has experience. GF Sports also owns this which may explain it's presence at the NY Open:

https://www.wolfpackninjas.com
 
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Tshooter

Legend
This has to be one of the most delusional posts of all time. Go to the Open for the first two weeks and you can see all the top guys and gals up close and for a reasonable price. I have no idea what this guy is talking about. Week 1 is the qualifying rounds and you can see everything for free and that includes the top guys and gals practicing on the outer courts. I saw Isner and Tiafoe two years ago and I had 3rd row center, basically courtside and I paid $125. I also saw Tsonga after Isner-Tiafoe.

Oh, and real hardcore tennis fans actually will brave those "horrible" weather and crowd conditions to watch a grand slam. If the conditions at the US Open make you want to stay away, I'd question if you are really a true fan. Oh i was gonna see Fed, The Joker or Rafa, but it's just too crowded and hot. I'll wait for the NY Open, it's close by my home and I can see Isner. LOL. Wow.
I also found that post ludicrous in all respects but he prefers the NY Open. Different strokes for different folks (pun intended). :laughing:

Any pro tournament is better than no pro tournament. I think. :unsure:
 
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I saw Isner and Tiafoe two years ago and I had 3rd row center, basically courtside and I paid $125. .
Tiafoe was top 100 2 years ago.

You're bragging about paying 500% more?
I was not aware that tennis is a Veblen good


I paid $19.
N-n-n-n-n-n-n-nineteen.
(The average age of a Vietnam combat soldier)


$19
No sunblock.
No fisherman's hat.
No crowds.

No contest.

Either ya get it, or ya don't.
 
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It's interesting to see ratings effects on these unknowns.

Schnurr's ranking went from 150 to 100.
Opelkas rating went from 90 to 50.
Pretty cool week for them.
Schnurr was crying during his speech, and in a small way, I get it.

I noticed Schnurr's return of serve was much better than Isner's.
He got a lot more balls into play.
 
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Any pro tournament is better than no pro tournament. I think. :unsure:
YUP! $19 is less then you'd pay for a challenger. At the USO unless your paying the big bucks, you're sitting in nosebleed--might as well stay at home and watch on TV--for the money you'd pay you could afford to buy a Samsung 55"er.
 

TheCanadian

Semi-Pro
The inaugural NYO has been absolutely poor in getting people to actually go watch the live matches. Yes, it's the early rounds of a 250 tournament, but even in Isner's and Nishikori's matches on the main stadium, there were few in attendance. A sea of empty seats with two or three people here or there. Not to mention that they also sealed off the top balconies. Might as well not even relocating it from Memphis. So what is it? Lack of big-name stars, promotions, ticket prices, location, etc.?

Also, why are all the ball boys/girls wearing XXL-sized shirts???
Who can afford to see tennis matches during work hours? I love watching tennis but couldn’t and wouldn’t do it. Especially if I have to pay a couple hundred bucks to watch relative nobodies and serve bots. And I don’t mean this disrespectfully, except for the serve bots whom I don’t respect as players.
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
Tiafoe was top 100 2 years ago.

You're bragging about paying 500% more?
I was not aware that tennis is a Veblen good


I paid $19.
N-n-n-n-n-n-n-nineteen.
(The average age of a Vietnam combat soldier)


$19
No sunblock.
No fisherman's hat.
No crowds.

No contest.

Either ya get it, or ya don't.
$125 at the US Open for basically court side seats, yup that's a great deal!!!
Yah, maybe you should stay at your NY Open for $19 and have a great time. We won't miss ya at the US Open.

Maybe you and tennis tom can grab some McDonald's, hopefully on the days you go there's a 2 for 1 special.
 

TheCanadian

Semi-Pro
LOTS of people, many of whom are playing tennis during "work" hours. Get a Schwab account and pick a couple of good stocks and you'll have time to go to tennis tournaments too. Or, buy a fixer-upper, flip it and make some cash. Oops--you're in Canada--sorry, socialism, move to Palm Springs with the rest of the Canadians and invest down here--or, better yet in Florida where there's still capitalism.
Believe me I’d love to move to Florida. Not that simple but I appreciate the invitation.
 

mikeeeee

Professional
You know my #1 take away from this week at the NY Open watching ATP 250 ?
Bunt/block the serve return. I think I will be blocking every ROS from now on.
Clueless 3.5's take a full swing at a serve, and try to crush winner
ATP250 bunt it back. Pushing wins titles.
To be fair, Wawrinka bunts 75% of serves back and it's worked out ok for him
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
LOTS of people, many of whom are playing tennis during "work" hours. Get a Schwab account and pick a couple of good stocks and you'll have time to go to tennis tournaments too. Or, buy a fixer-upper, flip it and make some cash. Oops--you're in Canada--sorry, socialism, move to Palm Springs with the rest of the Canadians and invest down here--or, better yet in Florida where there's still capitalism.
Reported for unnecessary political reference
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Who can afford to see tennis matches during work hours? I love watching tennis but couldn’t and wouldn’t do it. Especially if I have to pay a couple hundred bucks to watch relative nobodies and serve bots. And I don’t mean this disrespectfully, except for the serve bots whom I don’t respect as players.
Yeah just watch it on Tennis Channel later. You can record it or they show it over and over again.
 
Reported for unnecessary political reference
HA, HA! You want to play that game--OK! SNITCH!--I'll report you every time you make a social justice warrior reference--the difference is I don't care if I get banned, in fact it would give me back a lot of time that I could use to a higher and better purpose, making money in this hot market.
 
The Black Courts are back again for 2020.
Don’t miss the New York Open featuring world No. 7 Kei Nishikori,
world No. 8 and 2018 champion Kevin Anderson,
Nick Kygrios,
2019 champion Riley Opelka and 2019 runner-up Brayden Schnur.


NICK !!! YES !!!!!
 
NICK !!! YES !!!!!
Crazy Nicky will pack the place by himself--bring in a Rafa look alike to play against him--have Tomic's dad umpire . Mary Carillo and Stormy Daniels ball girls. Vendor tents selling canabis and JonnyMac art. Amazon title sponsor. AOC and Deblahzero doing security. Player's accommodations courtesy of Trump Towers. Player transport by autonomously guided Preii. Player/sponsor party hosted by BJK, entertainment by Elton. Nike apparel by Avennati. Food concession by Nathan's with dog eating contest between Kobayashi and Joey Chestnut.
 
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