What's your post-match feelings?

I feel terrible for Tiny Carl and hates to see his tournament end the way it did. He was in incredible form heading into the SF.

At the same time I’m disappointed for/in him for how his lack of fitness cost him today. I don’t think his body gives out on him if he had better shot selection as well. Too many times he went for the highlight reel instead of playing the obvious shot. He’ll be back and have a great rest of the season/career going forward. Hopefully he learns from this ugly collapse.
 
Rattie said:
Now you’re being ridiculous. Have you never had something physical come at you out of the blue? Life is what happens while you’re busy making other plans.
You know very well he can play 5 setters, even back to back 5 setters as he has previously done so.
Beyond stupid remark
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Well, clearly he can only do that against weak players and not guys like Djokovic.
 
Like I expected, Djokovic brought his A Game to the SF.

Had Alcaraz not cramped then the match would have gone 5 sets and it would be anybody's game, but then this is what we should expect from Novak, either he wins in 3-4 sets or maybe loses in 5 against a 16 years younger guy, but it is laughable to think Novak will be straight setted, LOL
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Serve, net game and dropshots which are becoming part of modern tennis. He lacks probably more things but these 3 off the top of my head. Do you seriously think he could go toe to toe with alcaraz FH like Nole was able to do today? I don't think so. His return and backhand is only thing that is better and him being 2 years older he beat Carlos a few times. But he has a lot to improve first.
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But sinner has really improve his FH a lot this year. It’s actually as big as Alcaraz’s or slightly less but it has really improved.
 
dking68 said:
I think it’s quite obvious he isn’t better but in my humbly opinion. If he develops his serve and gets stronger in the legs and arms, he will be a bigger player than Alcaraz
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I await that development with interest but, until then, ............. :cool:
 
Again and again the results show, what energy must be on the courts when you play against Djokovic. I have never seen Alcaraz not smiling on court and today after only 50min he was shouting to his box... The almighty serb power destroys other player.
 
jl809 said:
On this occasion I’m actually not going to bother refuting this, because it occurs to me that if you believe it, it probably means you find more tennis to be “amazing” on average than the typical TTW user… which presumably means you enjoy it more too. And it would be just nasty to try to drag that enjoyment down. Especially as your man is on another amazing run. Enjoy!
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guy's a human Marvel trailer
 
Rattie said:
Now you’re being ridiculous. Have you never had something physical come at you out of the blue? Life is what happens while you’re busy making other plans.
You know very well he can play 5 setters, even back to back 5 setters as he has previously done so.
Beyond stupid remark
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All of these next gen "can" play five setters until they face old Djokovic. Against him they all play decent for at most 2 sets before going down, with the only exception being Med in USO 2021. We saw it so many times.
 
helterskelter said:
I don't think his fitness really has declined. I think it's a combination of the heat and sun getting to him (several of his US Open matches were in the evening - notably the very long one against Sinner), coincidence (cramps can strike at any time), and nervous tension (nerves make cramps more likely).

Look, there is no question that this is a disappointment for him. I've said that several times. But it's a mistake to draw massive sweeping conclusions from it.
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Yes but it's a massive setback for him. His interviews showed how giddy he was to take down Nole once again and prove he is real number 1.

Everything is changed now.
 
StrongRule said:
All of these next gen "can" play five setters until they face old Djokovic. Against him they all play decent for at most 2 sets before going down, with the only exception being Med in USO 2021. We saw it so many times.
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Bro I know you are Rafan but I agree with your name. Only strong rules.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Yes but it's a massive setback for him. His interviews showed how giddy he was to take down Nole once again and prove he is real number 1.

Everything is changed now.
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100% agreed. It is a big setback. He probably got ahead of himself.

I said a few times in late 2022 that I thought he'd have a poor 2023, but would come back strong in 2024. He's done better in 2023 than I expected him to, but I think this result shows he has a lot of work to do and it'd be best to get his head down and keep working very, very hard.
 
Alcaraz at 20 has shown higher level of play than what Federer showed at 20, so there is hope for alcaraz to win 15+ slams if he works on his fitness a bit more.
 
legcramp said:
Carlos just needs to make adjustments to his fitness and not running for everything like his life depended on it. Running for lobs + drop shots over and over and over = cramps in 90 degree weather.
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Tell that to Rafa 'He'll be done by 25' Nadal. He was at least 24 before he used to walk to the baseline from his chair after a change of ends. He was like Sonic the f_cking Hedgehog.
 
I feel like tennis is irretrievably gone at this point. After two completely failed gens this third one was the last hope and they all choked or ran out of gas here.
 
My feelings after the first two sets was well this is good but not Djokovic Federer 2011 level and that feeling remains. And then on top of that Rafa won the final so he was probably even better than that level. We will probably never see anything like it again that was the peak of tennis for me.
 
Amazing display by Djokovic, honestly. Very consistent and conscious agression with great regularity in using depth.
Sad performance from Alcaraz. Didn’t play well at all at first and then played his brilliant best at very small periods of time. I do think he was picking up the pace, though.
I have to add - and I mean no disrespect, because staying fit, playing the tournaments and beating whoever is in front of you does deserve credit - Djokovic is so lucky, man. Easy peasy draw and then Carlos gets injured. Again he goes through to the final beating an injured opponent who was favoured to win. Crazy.
 
ibbi said:
Tell that to Rafa 'He'll be done by 25' Nadal. He was at least 24 before he used to walk to the baseline from his chair after a change of ends. He was like Sonic the f_cking Hedgehog.
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And Djokovic is like Dr. Robotnik.
 
I feel disappointment, big 3 are beyond amazing but these younger players should be disposing of them in slams comfortably. Alcaraz is the best of his generation and he will surely win more slams but he is not in the same league as big 3 at least not yet and who knows he might never be.
 
Maybe a controversial take but suspect fitness at 20 years old at one of the most grueling and physically demanding slams isn’t bad. Heck even Novak and Murray had some physicality issues iirc early in their careers. Give the kid a break. you don’t become a fitness machine in a few years it takes time. Novak has had years to get his fitness to where it wants to be which is why he’s fitter than almost anyone on tour at 36 and still winning.
 
Hera said:
I feel disappointment, big 3 are beyond amazing but these younger players should be disposing of them in slams comfortably. Alcaraz is the best of his generation and he will surely win more slams but he is not in the same league as big 3 at least not yet and who knows he might never be.
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36 today is not 36 yesterday. Guys today can stay far better far longer than was ever possible. Why should they be disposing of them comfortably? Making comparisons to anything before 10 years ago is crazy. Sports are no longer all about guys in their 20s.
 
ibbi said:
36 today is not 36 yesterday. Guys today can stay far better far longer than was ever possible. Why should they be disposing of them comfortably? Making comparisons to anything before 10 years ago is crazy. Sports are no longer all about guys in their 20s.
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Power, speed,16 yr age gap, full teams to support them, analytics, etc. Better resources in tennis surely hope older players but younger should benefit even more IMO or simply they aren't as good, don't know.
 
DjokoLand said:
Easy, everybody saying Carlos had no weakness while comparing him to the big 3. The big 3 in their prime had to do back to back 4/5 hour matches against themselves and Murray yet a 20 year old is cooked after 2 hours.

Nadal and Djokovic at 36 are fitter than anyone under 25 and lucky for Carlos he is better than the rest of the mugs these days he would win nothing years ago
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Federer won 3 5 setters at 36 including beating his toughest opponent to win AO. Same for Nadal who won french open by winning 2 tough matches against FAA and Djoko.

So it is evident Next Gen is ****. They can only beat themselves
 
My feeling is that I should become a more committed WTA fan, or at least after Djokovic and Nadal leave the game.
 
Hera said:
Power, speed,16 yr age gap, full teams to support them, analytics, etc. Better resources in tennis surely hope older players but younger should benefit even more IMO or simply they aren't as good, don't know.
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What you're saying about teams and support and analytics is bang on, but it helps older players FAR more, especially ones that have accomplished as much as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. Not only do they have decades of experience on what works and doesn't work for them, but given how much money they have they can pour infinitely more into all those things you mention to keep them at the top. There are old guys in sports now with their own hyperbaric chambers. The 16 year age gap means infinitely less than it ever has.
 
Disgusted. I initially worried about Carlos' mentality...especially after he failed to serve out the 2nd set at 5-3, and failed to break 0-40 Nole in the next game. But when he won the set, I knew his mentally wouldn't be an issue.

But fitness?? Cramping?? Total disappointment.
 
duaneeo said:
Disgusted. I initially worried about Carlos' mentality...especially after he failed to serve out the 2nd set at 5-3, and failed to break 0-40 Nole in the next game. But when he won the set, I knew his mentally wouldn't be an issue.

But fitness?? Cramping?? Total disappointment.
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Nerves.
 
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