When did Djokovic's prime end?

When did Djokovic's prime end?

  • 2011

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • 2016

    Votes: 14 33.3%
  • 2018

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2019

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • 2020

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • 2021

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2022

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2023

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • His prime is still on-going!

    Votes: 22 52.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Total voters
    42

TheAssassin

Legend
I think the last more sustained period would be 2018 Wimbledon - 2019 Australian Open. 45-4 without a reduced schedule. He has had many stunning displays since then as well but not as consistently.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
I think RG 2016 was the final tournament of his prime, though I’d classify his W 2018 - AO 2019 period as near prime (in the same way that I’d call Fed’s 2011-2012 seasons near prime). Did a few things worse than in 2011-2016 but there were a few standout tournaments. He wasn’t really the same during the rest of 2019 and afterwards imo.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
He won 3 slams last year. He's obviously still in his prime. He'll have exited his prime when he's no longer a top contender at slams.
He won 3 challengers with Tsitsipas and Ruud as main competition. If he faced me, he would look even better. Doesn't mean he is at his prime.
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Peak was 2011-mid 2016 but prime is 2007-ongoing


Pretty much this.

Although player's levels fluctuate. Everyone is fixated on saying "from X to Z" is prime and then some period in there is peak, etc. Players are dropping their level and raising it constantly. They can play better in some period outside their peak/prime than inside it.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
3 slams 2 masters and atp finals. He won 6 out of played 10 big events. I think anyone who says he is not in his prime is a big liar.
Dear nolefam_2024,

I think you're a good poster, passionate in his views, that offers valuable insight in this forum. But I'm worried about the language of this post. You're so aggressive in the language employed here, and aggressiveness over any topic is a sign of fanaticism. You cannot insult other forum members (calling them "liars") simply for having a different viewpoint than yours, as if you were the only person in possession of truth. This is a public tennis forum, and it is not only expected, but a good sign to find people with different views regarding a topic, so there can be a healthy doscussion and interchange of ideas.

I'm not arguing about this particular topic, you can have a strong and passionate view about this, it's OK. But I find it extremely dangerous that you insult other forum members merely for disagreeing with your viewpoint. Be respectful and relax.
No, just like Nadal losing to Soderling at RG at his peak doesn't mean he has an inferior level at RG, or Federer losing to Cañas at Indian Wells doesn't mean he has an inferior level there.
I find this a fallacy of bad analogy, as Soderling is simply a Berdych-tier player, while Alcaraz is a future ATG, who has multiple Slams, multiple weeks at #1, and is the youngest ever YE #1. At Alcaraz's age, Novak had 0 Slams, 0 weeks at #1 and 0 YE #1. So comparing Alcaraz with Soderling or Cañas is like comparing Novak with Roddick.

I think you're right though that the simple size is not big, and another 1 or ideally 2 matches between them could help find a more suitable evidence to answer more appropiately this question. It's also important to see how Alcaraz deals with the rest of the field at Wimbledon over the next years.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Dear nolefam_2024,

I think you're a good poster, passionate in his views, that offers valuable insight in this forum. But I'm worried about the language of this post. You're so aggressive in the language employed here, and aggressiveness over any topic is a sign of fanaticism. You cannot insult other forum members (calling them "liars") simply for having a different viewpoint than yours, as if you were the only person in possession of truth. This is a public tennis forum, and it is not only expected, but a good sign to find people with different views regarding a topic, so there can be a healthy doscussion and interchange of ideas.

I'm not arguing about this particular topic, you can have a strong and passionate view about this, it's OK. But I find it extremely dangerous that you insult other forum members merely for disagreeing with your viewpoint. Be respectful and relax.

I find this a fallacy of bad analogy, as Soderling is simply a Berdych-tier player, while Alcaraz is a future ATG, who has multiple Slams, multiple weeks at #1, and is the youngest ever YE #1. At Alcaraz's age, Novak had 0 Slams, 0 weeks at #1 and 0 YE #1. So comparing Alcaraz with Soderling or Cañas is like comparing Novak with Roddick.

I think you're right though that the simple size is not big, and another 1 or ideally 2 matches between them could help find a more suitable evidence to answer more appropiately this question. It's also important to see how Alcaraz deals with the rest of the field at Wimbledon over the next years.
I apologize.
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Dear nolefam_2024,

I think you're a good poster, passionate in his views, that offers valuable insight in this forum. But I'm worried about the language of this post. You're so aggressive in the language employed here, and aggressiveness over any topic is a sign of fanaticism. You cannot insult other forum members (calling them "liars") simply for having a different viewpoint than yours, as if you were the only person in possession of truth. This is a public tennis forum, and it is not only expected, but a good sign to find people with different views regarding a topic, so there can be a healthy doscussion and interchange of ideas.
Thank you. Incredibly needed post.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
When did Djokovic's prime period end?
With Fedal, it is clear: for Fed, 2009, for Nadal, 2014
But what about Djoker?
Mid 2016 is where his prime ended. However, the stretch from July 2018 to January 2019 was also prime-ish. But after that, he was absolutely out of his prime.

Similar patterns are found for Fedal as well.

Rafa's prime ended in mid 2014. However, the stretch from January 2017 to April 2018 was also prime-ish. But his prime was definitely over after that.

Fed's prime ended in Early 2010. However, the stretch from September 2011 to August 2012 was prime-ish too. But after that he exited his prime.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic winning 90% matches and winning all big titles be played in is not a sign of Prime for some people. But Nadal had this maybe in 2010 or something something. He was never in prime then if Djokovic isn't in prime now..


Fact is he left his prime just for 1 year in 2017. By Queens club 2018 he was back in the prime and has NEVER left it.
 

Jonesy

Legend
Djokovic winning 90% matches and winning all big titles be played in is not a sign of Prime for some people. But Nadal had this maybe in 2010 or something something. He was never in prime then if Djokovic isn't in prime now..


Fact is he left his prime just for 1 year in 2017. By Queens club 2018 he was back in the prime and has NEVER left it.
Fans of certain players with a certain agenda just refuse to admit reality. The numbers are there and they don't lie.
 
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