When do you expect USTA ratings to come out?

Hawg61

New User
A quick search tells me that year-end ratings usually come out on the Monday after Thanksgiving. Just curious if anyone has any insight beyond that?
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
Yes, if a player was DQ'd and got a 'D' during the year, they should get a year-end rating and it will be a 'C'.
 

ncgator

Rookie
So why does it take USTA almost a month after the last match that counts to publish year-end ratings?
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
They are still using a computer from the 90's? :O

Seriously, I think the calculations are reasonably straight-forward, I know I do my year-end calculations in a few hours, but I think the USTA has some built in review cycles for National and perhaps even sections to review things. How much input they have to tweak things I'm not sure, but I would not be surprised if some changes are made and things recalculated based on that a few times. Certainly there have been manual overrides in some years to try and balance things across sections or address gluts of players at some levels.
 

Rusbus

New User
Ratings are released every year at about the same time.....Dec 1st plus or minus a Monday. Stop the belly aching.
 

sam_p

Professional
In Norcal there is 18-45 singles league that it is my understanding will count for ratings, although that wasn't a final decision. Last year they had the same league and it didn't count but that was apparently an oversight that should have been corrected for this year. Last date for matches in that league is 11/24.
 
@schmke do you have any inkling that a redistribution might happen? Reason I ask is because of the ratings distributions per section, as TR has shown here : TRecords
For men’s ratings, most sections have about an equal amount of 3.5s and 4.0s with about half that amount of 4.5s. In Southern, we have over 11,000 3.5s, 8,400 4.0s, and then 2,800 4.5s.
Are we just eating too much BBQ and fried foods to normalize those numbers with the rest of the nation?
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
@schmke do you have any inkling that a redistribution might happen? Reason I ask is because of the ratings distributions per section, as TR has shown here : TRecords
For men’s ratings, most sections have about an equal amount of 3.5s and 4.0s with about half that amount of 4.5s. In Southern, we have over 11,000 3.5s, 8,400 4.0s, and then 2,800 4.5s.
Are we just eating too much BBQ and fried foods to normalize those numbers with the rest of the nation?
I don't have any reason to believe a redistribution is in the works. At least nothing like the couple of big ones that have occurred in the past couple years. There can still be local adjustments if the USTA sees fit though.

Last year for example, Caribbean had a far larger number of bump ups than any other section and more than past years which seemed to indicate an adjustment was made there. A few years ago there were significant bump ups for several sections that had done very well at Nationals the past few years.
 

Max G.

Legend
In Norcal there is 18-45 singles league that it is my understanding will count for ratings, although that wasn't a final decision. Last year they had the same league and it didn't count but that was apparently an oversight that should have been corrected for this year. Last date for matches in that league is 11/24.
Wait, that counts for ratings this year?????

Fffff.... Well, there goes my rating....

Oh well, I’m pretty sure I wasn’t getting bumped up anyway,and even with how badly I’m playing in that league I’m pretty sure I’m not going to get bumped down anyway, so i guess it doesn’t matter...
 

sam_p

Professional
Wait, that counts for ratings this year?????

Fffff.... Well, there goes my rating....

Oh well, I’m pretty sure I wasn’t getting bumped up anyway,and even with how badly I’m playing in that league I’m pretty sure I’m not going to get bumped down anyway, so i guess it doesn’t matter...
I'm going based on a conversation I had with DeDee last year at sectionals for the event. She said that they would count for ratings this year, but no official specific word.
 

MaxTennis

Rookie
I'm going based on a conversation I had with DeDee last year at sectionals for the event. She said that they would count for ratings this year, but no official specific word.
I’m hoping my 2 matches for 18-45 league make up for my 3 bad singles losses in 18+ lol.
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
I can't wait to see what happens with my 4.0 rating. I went 2-6 at 4.5 with 3 of those losses coming to three sets and to high 4.5 players. The only 4.0 league match I played I won 6-2, 6-0.
 

5sets

Professional
So are these ratings generally published at 12:01 am or won’t show up until late tomorrow evening?
 

DailyG&T

Rookie
I remember last year Tennis Record had "bump probability" and they don't have it up at least not for my region. Anyone else see this? (I'm not going to be bumped but curious for some others who are on the bubble what TR will say vs what actually happens.)
 

Max G.

Legend
So are these ratings generally published at 12:01 am or won’t show up until late tomorrow evening?
They’ll be published. Then the website will crash due to load and the ratings won’t be available for another few days because nothing will load.

Don’t count on getting them on release day. There’s no rush.
 

5sets

Professional
They’ll be published. Then the website will crash due to load and the ratings won’t be available for another few days because nothing will load.

Don’t count on getting them on release day. There’s no rush.
Lol, yea I think last year I saw them around 4 pm. Curious as to what the TennisRecord over/under is in comparison with USTA NTRP.
 

SliceGirl

New User
I’m on the cusp of being bumped so I’m very curious to see what happens with the new ratings.
Do we get an email? Or is it necessary to login to your USTA account to see if your rating has changed? This is my first full year of league tennis so I don’t know how the new ratings are communicated.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
Easiest way is to use the mobile app .... pull up your name ... hit the little "i" button and if the rating shows with 2019 after it then you know it is the new rating
 

tennis_tater

Semi-Pro
I’m on the cusp of being bumped so I’m very curious to see what happens with the new ratings.
Do we get an email? Or is it necessary to login to your USTA account to see if your rating has changed? This is my first full year of league tennis so I don’t know how the new ratings are communicated.
You do not get an email telling you that your rating has or has not changed. You may, however, get an email from your section or district telling you the ratings have been published. This usually comes in my district a day or two after the publish. You can either do as OnTheLine suggested on the app or simply search your name on Find a Rating on TennisLink. If you see 12/31/2019 rating next to your rating, you will know its your new rating.
 

V-Werks

New User
Easiest way is to use the mobile app .... pull up your name ... hit the little "i" button and if the rating shows with 2019 after it then you know it is the new rating
BTW, if you have an Android phone don't waste your time looking for the USTA app. They only offer an app for iPhone users.
 

V-Werks

New User
I remember last year Tennis Record had "bump probability" and they don't have it up at least not for my region. Anyone else see this? (I'm not going to be bumped but curious for some others who are on the bubble what TR will say vs what actually happens.)
Why do predictions by Tennis Record matter? Do you also read tea leaves?
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
I just wrote more details on my blog, but look for roughly these percentages of bumps up and down:

2.5 - 35% up, 0% down
3.0 - 14% up, 3% down
3.5 - 7.7% up, 4% down
4.0 - 4.7% up, 5.8% down
4.5 - 4.2% up, 8.2% down
5.0 - 1.8% up, 17% down
5.5 - 0.5% up, 40% down
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
Still a 4.5 here also, as expected.

(Although, I was kinda' hoping to get dropped to 4.0 so I could be on the All TT 4.0 team in 2020... ha, ha... :) )
 

dcdoorknob

Hall of Fame
I got bumped to 4.0, which was a real shock. Right at a .500 record (almost all doubles) at 3.5. TennisRecord has me as a 3.19 (!).

I did an auto-appeal and it was granted, so I'm a 3.5A now, but still, I'm flabbergasted that I was even anywhere close. All my results this year point to me being a middle of the road 3.5 imo.
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
They are out and Southern Section took a big hit on the chin.
Arkansas had a ton of bump ups at the 4.0-5.0 level, have not seen that many in one year and there are a couple of very questionable ones at that, player as a self-rate goes 0/3 at 4.5 40's and got a 5.0, never won more than 4 games in a set.
Central Little Rock 4.0 League: 36 bumps to 4.5 out of 92 players, one already appealed down, so standing at 34 now. over 33% bump
 
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FearTheJester

New User
This is similar to 2009 when there were massive bump-ups. Looks like they're trying to increase participation in the 4.5 leagues.
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
They are out and Southern Section took a big hit on the chin.
Arkansas had a ton of bump ups at the 4.0-5.0 level, have not seen that many in one year and there are a couple of very questionable ones at that, player as a self-rate goes 0/3 at 4.5 40's and got a 5.0, never won more than 4 games in a set.
Any bump ups to 5.5?
3 in AR league got bumped to 5.5 as 5.0's from 2019
 

ace18

Professional
They are out and Southern Section took a big hit on the chin.
Arkansas had a ton of bump ups at the 4.0-5.0 level, have not seen that many in one year and there are a couple of very questionable ones at that, player as a self-rate goes 0/3 at 4.5 40's and got a 5.0, never won more than 4 games in a set.
Central Little Rock 4.0 League: 36 bumps to 4.5 out of 92 players, one already appealed down, so standing at 34 now. over 33% bump
You are right about the Southern Section, at least Georgia any way. Tons of bumps... Lots of bumps to 5.0
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
just running rough numbers. Arkansas 4.0 league out of 195 4.0's that played league, 54 got bumped to 4.5
The 40 4.5+ AR team so 8 get bumped to 5.0
 
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