Sunny Ali
Hall of Fame
1983, it's just a sport and we're not gonna get any incentives from it. Don't take it so seriously!
When Fed's Slam record will be TRULY safe?
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DSH
Legend
No, nobody thought that way.
That there was someone who would surpass the Sampras record in such a short period, that was unexpected (although it was facilitated by Nadal's injury in 2009) but, if one knows a little about the history of tennis, knows that there were several circumstances, so the figure, 14, is not a record totally in line with what other players in the course of history could have achieved.
Tilden, Gonzales, Rosewall, Laver and other great players may have won more Majors than Sampras if the political, structural conditions of the tour had been similar to that of the American.
It is useless to compare that time with those of the 1990s and even now, it is different than 25 years ago, for example.
alexio
Hall of Fame
it's not about the age or stage, it's about the essence.. so sudaca was right
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Sunny Ali
Hall of Fame
Zara ... good points. Works both ways too- Nadal on the verge of catching Federer stumbled but somehow won his final. Federer knowing 2 guys were nipping at his heels stumbled and lost. I understand psychology can play a big part in these kind of circumstances.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
What does Federer do against Stan than Djokovic isn't doing? More variation? More slices? Wouldn't Djokovic by now have figured out Stan after this many years? Seems like he's playing the exact same style against Stan every time with nothing new or different tactically. Just pounding the ball from the baseline and hoping Stan folds. And then attempting drop shots during their rallies which is more desperation than anything.
ChaelAZ
Legend
loliwut?
Sunny Ali
Hall of Fame
Agreed. Possibly because Djokovic doesn't have anything left in his repertoire to counter Stan? That's his biggest problem. Grinding it out can work against Federer or Nadal but not against Stan who can beat the ball to a pulp with his power!
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
True. Also, Sunny Deol is one of my favourites!
Dharmendra though was one of the greatest ever!
Sunny Ali
Hall of Fame
Well I mean over the last 3 or 4 years. Both of them have been consistently losing to Djokovic.
Sunny Ali
Hall of Fame
You, Sir Sams, have fine taste not just in tennis but showbiz as well! Bravo!True. Also, Sunny Deol is one of my favourites!
Dharmendra though was one of the greatest ever!
Sams, are you Indian?
I thought you were Caucasian
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
I'm SikhYou, Sir Sams, have fine taste not just in tennis but showbiz as well! Bravo!
Sams, are you Indian?
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Listen, boy - it’s a serious shame if Novak Djokovic surpasses Federer, the GOAT.1983, it's just a sport and we're not gonna get any incentives from it. Don't take it so seriously!
ChaelAZ
Legend
I have to say, many Federer fans you see on the first two pages have almost abandoned this forum lol. Goes to show how much the slam race matters to them. Anyway, I still think Federer can add ~2 majors to his total and that will be very tough for Rafa. 2020 will be key, he has to win at least 1 next year and with Djokovic's uncertainty it's absolutely possible, especially at AO and Wimbledon. I am hearing that Craig Tiley is importing the Basel surface to help Federer. That will be a massive boost to his chances. Plus now that they do backstage draws at AO, Fed will get a US Open like draw till semi.
Sunny Ali
Hall of Fame
Lovely! Glad to note we have a common interest in Sunny!I'm Sikh
Sunny Ali
Hall of Fame
LOL, alright
UnderratedSlam
Legend
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Lol what a load of crock. They're not helping Federer in any way nor tampering with the surface.I have to say, many Federer fans you see on the first two pages have almost abandoned this forum lol. Goes to show how much the slam race matters to them. Anyway, I still think Federer can add ~2 majors to his total and that will be very tough for Rafa. 2020 will be key, he has to win at least 1 next year and with Djokovic's uncertainty it's absolutely possible, especially at AO and Wimbledon. I am hearing that Craig Tiley is importing the Basel surface to help Federer. That will be a massive boost to his chances. Plus now that they do backstage draws at AO, Fed will get a US Open like draw till semi.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
But they actually are changing the surface at the AO next year - what type of crock are you referring to?
Sunny Ali
Hall of Fame
LOL, agreed. That was the biggest load of crock I've ever read on this forum
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Where are you getting this news, BrooklynNY regarding the rigging of the AO draw and the change of surface? It's not published anywhere on any other tennis forum.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, I think Fedal have pushed Djokovic pretty hard at the Slams outside of the AO recently.
duaneeo
Hall of Fame
I don't agree the other two "are better", but agree it's Federer's fault that Rafa is within one of his slam record.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
it was all over twitter last month
StrongRule
G.O.A.T.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer likes fast, but good bounce. He doesnt like a "dead" court. So.... for Rafa this can be better. Rafa can take any speed, just the bounce that matters.I have to say, many Federer fans you see on the first two pages have almost abandoned this forum lol. Goes to show how much the slam race matters to them. Anyway, I still think Federer can add ~2 majors to his total and that will be very tough for Rafa. 2020 will be key, he has to win at least 1 next year and with Djokovic's uncertainty it's absolutely possible, especially at AO and Wimbledon. I am hearing that Craig Tiley is importing the Basel surface to help Federer. That will be a massive boost to his chances. Plus now that they do backstage draws at AO, Fed will get a US Open like draw till semi.
Will be very interesting to see how the new courts are played!
Basel is low bouncy and quite fast, I am expecting a similar court.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
youngpolyhater
Rookie
Probably 22 or 23.
Needs to go all in for AO and Wimbledon next year.
Hopefully he stays injury-free which cost him at USO this year
Needs to go all in for AO and Wimbledon next year.
Hopefully he stays injury-free which cost him at USO this year
Yugram
Legend
Not so safe
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You see where the worst of Federer's fans go: when they thought Federer had a majors count that could not be reached--that was their criteria for crowning him GOAT, but the second Nadal was moving in, they either posted threads (like one recently deleted, claiming #16 was his last), or won this year's FO/USO, now the goal posts are moved in predictable fashion. They are living in absolute terror that Nadal will not only tie Federer's majors count one day, but will pass it. They set the criteria, now they have to live with it: Nadal will be the GOAT once he passes Federer.
Even if he plays until the USO of 2021--even win another, eventually he will drop off and/or Nadal and Djokovic will continue to win majors. Federer will see his records broken time after time.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
BorgTheGOAT
Hall of Fame
It is completely ridiculous to demand being 5 slams ahead no matter what players we are talking. If Fed was from another era where slams were not the be all end all and/or was way ahead in other metrics I COULD MAYBE understand (for instance I can still see Borg or Laver > Djokovic due to not being really able to compare their eras), however let’s face it all big three played under the conditions that the slam record was the most important metric to determine greatness and all three are trying badly to get this record. On top, Nadal is ahead in H2H and masters and IF he gets to 25 slams - which of course won’t happen- he will beat the weeks at No 1 record or at least gets so close that the difference does not really matter. So no matter how you spin it, it is completely stupid to say he would need 25 slams.
Spanglish72
Rookie
It will never be safe as long as Novak & Rafa are still playing...
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Federer has no problem against Nadal on fast hards in the smaller tourneys. Djokovic has had problems with Federer on fast hards (Dubai and Cincy) more often than not.Maybe Novak and Rafa should play Basel this year then, to prepare.
It will be a higher bounce in AO since Basel not a huge stadium and indoors.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
How long do you think Nadal can hold off Djokovic?
#17 possibly coming in 4 months. Djokovic's domain..
DSH
Legend
Does not matter anymore!I have to say, many Federer fans you see on the first two pages have almost abandoned this forum lol. Goes to show how much the slam race matters to them. Anyway, I still think Federer can add ~2 majors to his total and that will be very tough for Rafa. 2020 will be key, he has to win at least 1 next year and with Djokovic's uncertainty it's absolutely possible, especially at AO and Wimbledon. I am hearing that Craig Tiley is importing the Basel surface to help Federer. That will be a massive boost to his chances. Plus now that they do backstage draws at AO, Fed will get a US Open like draw till semi.
Basel: 5 matches, best of 3 sets, indoor conditions.
AO: 7 matches, best of 5 sets, outdoor conditions (at least in the Majority of the mactches).
At 38, even with the help of Tiley's, the Swiss will no longer be able to reach the last instances of a Major.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Who knows, but the issue here is Nadal being close to catching, then the likelihood of passing Federer's majors count. If Nadal has another two or three years like this one, he might be out of reach for Djokovic, as I see Nadal being somewhat more motivated to go on than Djokovic.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
All of the things you people are bringing up are mere guess work. Nadal might not even reach 20 or Djoker 17. Injuries or other issues for both may happen. It's pointless.If Djokovic goes into his 2011 and 2015 mode and wins AO2020 and starts rampaging through the season, the Nadal fans on here are gonna go into hiding....again.
God only knows.
So, just enjoy the show people!!!!
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
AO2020 is probably the most anticipated event in the history of tennis. If Djoker gets #17, the whole conversation likely changes and all the momentum might be on his side once again. If Nadal gets #20, it's historical and all eyes will be on RG. If Federer gets #21, it could possibly take some of the wind out of Nadal's and Novak's sails. Then there's Stanimal who looks like he's about 100% in full health and AO suits his game. He could get #4. After him there's Medvedev who looks like he's ready for a Slam. Could be surprises in store elsewhere too.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
We're witnessing a time in a sport which may never come again in our lifetimes. 3 legends all competing for history at the same time and all in a race to be the greatest of all time. It's exciting!!!
helterskelter
Legend
Because it meant sticking one’s head in the sand.
Lastmanstanding
New User
Its over. Nadal will have it and then some. If he stays fit Nadal will aim for Serena total
Lastmanstanding
New User
Not a race anymore. Nadal now GOAT after US Open. Djokovic obviously still in the hunt but presumably the younger players will be bigger threats from now on.We're witnessing a time in a sport which may never come again in our lifetimes. 3 legends all competing for history at the same time and all in a race to be the greatest of all time. It's exciting!!!
Imperator
Hall of Fame
I don't know what it will take for people to stop thinking the most recent GS win seals the deal, that's a false impression. Just purely psychological.