When is a Russian an American?

Bingoooooooooo...so you go and you find them and you get them interested. The only reason many athletes don't play is because they haven't been exposed. I am living proof to that. I spent my time playing baseball and never thought about tennis and there are 10 lighted courts right on my highschool's property and I spend a great deal of time playing there now. If you expose enough kids to it, you'll see your talent pool start to rise and thus having more champions. It wasn't that long ago that certain athletes were not allowed to play quarterback in football for whatever reason...now that they are playing the position look the college level. 4 or 5 of the last 6 National championship teams have been lead by athletes that at one time were said not to be good for the position. This is no different. Change your way of thinking and you change the level of tennis that is expected. Right now all we have or seem to be able to come up with is big servers who don't know how to handle their serves coming back.


Another problem is simply that as the game has become more and more physical, and thus in addition to finding people with great tennis skills/potential, they also have to be great athletes, and the fact is that a lot of great athletes are lost to other sports.
 
Surely Maria haven't taken US citizenship just permanent residency.

That's what I'm thinking.

Saguar0,

Back to reality and on topic, this question is sort of about "credit" for the production of top tennis talent and reality vs TV graphics.

Specifically, I noticed that the ESPN3 commentators kept saying that America isn't producing winners and/or there are no American winners. As others have pointed out, those are two different issues. It seems the US is good at training tennis players who "play for other countries".

But at this point, if a top tennis player lives in the US, trains in the US, is culturally American, and in some cases has US citizenship, I don't really see the player as "playing for another country". They're really just playing for a little icon next to their name on the TV screen since, in so many cases, their life and entire "tennis being" is truly American.

Yeah, nominally they're "playing for X", but at some critical level they've deliberately rejected that country when it comes to their daily lives and professional tennis development and chosen the US for their day to day life and professional development.

They could be playing for sentiment, but if it means so much then why reject that home country so profoundly when it comes to daily life and professional development? If the home country means so much why not embrace it fully?

IIRC Nadal lives and trains in Spain. Is that correct?

I notice you never specifically addressed Maria's citizenship again, so I guess we all agree that she does not hold an American passport. Exactly which players are you talking about that are American citizens that play for other countries? Can you name any? Here I'll help you.

-Amer Delic, came to the US as child, became a naturalized, dual citizen. Went to Illinois, became an NCAA champion. Played under the US flag for many years. In 2010 the Bosnian Federation asked him if he would play Davis Cup for them. He consulted with the USTA, got permission, and now plays for Bosnia. (I understand Amer having 2 countries equally in his heart, I feel the same way about the US/UK and wish I could have dual citizneship)

-Treat Huey, Eric Taino, and Cecil Mamit all played for the US at one point, but eventually played for the Philippines. I think Huey just switched this year.

Note that these guys are all low ranked players in the US, and number one players in the country they play for. Maybe that's why they switch.

Yup.

This is all about the money. All these players were in shadow of Youzhny, Davydenko and a whole string of higher ranked women players in Russia. So, they accepted Kazakh citizenship, because their tennis federation offered financial support.

Back to Sharapova. Does she have any financial obligations to play under US flag? How much money did USTA spend on her? Bollitieri academy is down in Florida - but it is a private business and they accept students from all over the world. USTA is welcome to provide scholarships for american players to go there (and I am sure they do), but so does German tennis federation etc.

It's a different story with Bogomolov - he actually accepted financial help from USTA, scholarships or what not. This is why USTA wanted Russian tennis federation to pay this money back. Last time I read in russian press it was $70K. I am on USTA side here...

The USTA didn't want the money ($75K) from the Russian Federation, they wanted it from Alex. He wrote them a check out of his son's college fund in December. Total joke, the USTA pisses away far more than that on their ridiculous annual meetings in the Bahamas or whatever island they picked last year. (Hopefully, the Russian Federation will give some of that money back to Alex). They were just mad that Alex switched without sucking up to them first the way Amer did. They were 'publicly embarrassed' and made him pay for it.

Anyway, any tennis player that enrolls in and is developed by a private academy like Bolletieri is not 'US produced', they are academy produced or Florida produced. When TV commentators say the US can produce tennis players, they mean that our best athletes are choosing other sports or they mean the USTA are inept fools who spend more time playing politics than creating better tennis players (and there are plenty of examples of that on this forum). As far as I know, the USTA has never spent a dime on Sharapova, can't imagine why they ever would. She has no obligation to them or "American tennis".
 
Thanks, Fee, you obviously know more about Bogomolov's situation than me, so I will just shut up :-)

Oh no worries. I know Alex a little bit, I'm kind of pissed about the whole mess, but I also really dislike the USTA in general (in case you couldn't tell). You keep saying whatever you like. :)
 
USA definitely allows dual citizenship, for example I am dual citizen of the United States and Trinidad and Tobago. I use both passports when I travel since there are advantages such as staying in both countries as long as you wish. However I'm not sure if Russia recognizes dual citizenship, particularly with the US.

you sir, have the best user name EVER! :twisted:
 
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Much has been made of the fact that all Americans have been eliminated from the AO 2012 singles race. But a number of remaining players actually live and train in the US.

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As an American all the talk and wringing of hands on Tennis Channel and ESPN about producing the next "American" champion kind of grates on me. I don't think I'd even notice if the "last American" was out of a tournament or not if it wasn't brought up over and over again. I have players I like and players I don't care for much and others that I'm indifferent too but it has little to do with what country they were born in.

As far as U.S. players I like Querrey, Isner and the Bryan Brothers on the men's side for example but don't care much for Roddick and Fish. I don't think I'm alone in liking V. Williams more than S. Williams. Overall I like watching some "foreign" players though more than some American players so even though I'm proudly American, I don't really get the big fuss made over American tennis players all the time vs. those from other countries. I understand the Olympics but guess I just don't look at tennis the same way. Probably since there is no solely U.S. professional tennis league the ATP/WTA seems more like the NFL or NBA to me, you just like various teams more or less than others...though I guess most tend to root for their "home" team in those leagues...so maybe its me that's weird. After all I did grow up rooting for teams that weren't necessarily closet to where I lived.
 
When they are Amerikans?

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