When records are set for decades, what do we cheer for?

Cortana

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I was wondering what will hapen after the Big3 retire. I mean they will all finish with records that won't be broken maybe for decades. I know that people say this every generation, but I truely believe this time is different.

I think Djokovic and Nadal will end up with 25+ GS titles, each of them with more AO/RG titles than most ATGs total slam count. Djokovic with 7-8 YE#1, 400+ weeks #1, Nadal with his unreal clay dominance, Federer with 8-9 Wimbledon titles and 237 consecutive weeks #1.

What will we cheer for in the future? For a player to win all 4 slams at least once? Will tennis become boring without such huge records?
 
Cortana said:
I was wondering what will hapen after the Big3 retire. I mean they will all finish with records that won't be broken maybe for decades. I know that people say this every generation, but I truely believe this time is different.

I think Djokovic and Nadal will end up with 25+ GS titles, each of them with more AO/RG titles than most ATGs total slam count. Djokovic with 7-8 YE#1, 400+ weeks #1, Nadal with his unreal clay dominance, Federer with 8-9 Wimbledon titles and 237 consecutive weeks #1.

What will we cheer for in the future? For a player to win all 4 slams at least once? Will tennis become boring without such huge records?
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Novak won't get much far. I expect 23. Nadal.... he is a mystery.
But also I do believe there will be someone to surpass that all, or at least to play some different game with different rules where old results are not valued as before.
 
If they introduce more slams in a year, perhaps records will be broken one day, otherwise it is too much. Imagine 24 GS titles, that is full 6 x CYGS and that is a lot. You need to have such a long career in sport for that. Amazing. 20 GS is 5 x CYGS.
 
It doesn't matter what their final records will be. We got used to seeing each generation surpassing the previous generation. Will tennis be boring if it takes a couple of generations to reach a new level?
 
20 by itself with be a near impossible feat to reproduce, let alone 25. OP is correct, it's going to be quite a while before there's a serious challenge to the records they will set.

As for what to root for, records aren't everything. There's plenty to root for.
 
Indigo said:
If they introduce more slams in a year, perhaps records will be broken one day, otherwise it is too much. Imagine 24 GS titles, that is full 6 x CYGS and that is a lot. You need to have such a long career in sport for that. Amazing. 20 GS is 5 x CYGS.
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I doubt that either Rafa or Novak will win 24 slams, or will they ever add another slam which would not be fair to players of the past. I do think there probably will ever be another player to win twenty slams, never mind 2 or possibly 3 at one time.
 
We said the same when Sampras had 14.
We said the same when Roger got to 17 and 20.

We need to learn. Otherwise we are stupid.
 
I resent the quality of the OP’s avatar. She’s just incurable.

Checkmate said:
Aslan Karatsev.

@yokied
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The Russian-Israeli thug with ball-striking purer than your chosen deity. He’s the closest thing I’ve seen in tennis to Mike Tyson. Big guys with exceptional balance, generating great power out of legs and core, plain clothes, softly spoken, obviously troubled past, zero ****s given with media and sponsors and when they’re on it’s just business and straight murder.

I just wish he could go full heel and smash racquets, blast balls out of the stadium and rage like players used to be allowed to do to try to get themselves back on track in the good old days. I think there’s a lot going on inside his head, with a lot of options on every ball, always thinking aggressively, and it’s just too easy for him to check out. Not speaking from experience or anything.

Anytime he wants to start doing his Tysonesque 37-0 thing is fine by me. Like the Olympics.
 
yokied said:
I resent the quality of the OP’s avatar. She’s just incurable.



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The Russian-Israeli thug with ball-striking purer than your chosen deity. He’s the closest thing I’ve seen in tennis to Mike Tyson. Big guys with exceptional balance, generating great power out of legs and core, plain clothes, softly spoken, obviously troubled past, zero ****s given with media and sponsors and when they’re on it’s just business and straight murder.

I just wish he could go full heel and smash racquets, blast balls out of the stadium and rage like players used to be allowed to do to try to get themselves back on track in the good old days. I think there’s a lot going on inside his head, with a lot of options on every ball, always thinking aggressively, and it’s just too easy for him to check out. Not speaking from experience or anything.

Anytime he wants to start doing his Tysonesque 37-0 thing is fine by me. Like the Olympics.
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Personally I'm looking forward to tennis reverting back to just discussions about peak play of the day, where we can act like real tennis fans and talk about the product on court instead of what every match means for legacy debates. We've done nothing but obsess about the GOAT race since like 2008 or so. I've enjoyed the Big 3 era well enough, but I'm exhausted. Every slam is supposedly the turning point of the slam race. Every Masters event is scrutinized for the form of of the Big 3 because that influences how we think said next slam will play out.

People hate on that 2000-03 period between the Sampras and Federer eras, and I understand why, but we're in desperate need of another reset like that where we can enjoy young players taking over and doing new, interesting things on a tennis court. Of course, most changes happen from changes in the game (rackets, strings, courts, etc) and we don't seem to be on the cusp of any sort of revolutionary change anytime soon. There's no Hewitt on the horizon with the game to counteract the dominant playstyle of the time. There's no Roddick showing up and hitting serves harder than we've ever seen.
 
Strangely, back when tennis was truly one of the most important and exciting sports in the world, no one particularly cared about records. They were too busy watching Laver, Rosewall, Ashe, Connors, Nastase, Borg, McEnroe etc play incredible tennis.
 
ND-13 said:
We said the same when Sampras had 14.
We said the same when Roger got to 17 and 20.

We need to learn. Otherwise we are stupid.
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I mean, tennis was moving in the right direction after Sampras. By 2005 you had an established ATG at his peak and a 19 years old prodigy.

Tennis is not moving in the right direction right now, we haven't had a great talent emerge for 12 years minus the sudden occurence of Wawrinka in 2013.
 
MeatTornado said:
Personally I'm looking forward to tennis reverting back to just discussions about peak play of the day, where we can act like real tennis fans and talk about the product on court instead of what every match means for legacy debates. We've done nothing but obsess about the GOAT race since like 2008 or so. I've enjoyed the Big 3 era well enough, but I'm exhausted. Every slam is supposedly the turning point of the slam race. Every Masters event is scrutinized for the form of of the Big 3 because that influences how we think said next slam will play out.

People hate on that 2000-03 period between the Sampras and Federer eras, and I understand why, but we're in desperate need of another reset like that where we can enjoy young players taking over and doing new, interesting things on a tennis court. Of course, most changes happen from changes in the game (rackets, strings, courts, etc) and we don't seem to be on the cusp of any sort of revolutionary change anytime soon. There's no Hewitt on the horizon with the game to counteract the dominant playstyle of the time. There's no Roddick showing up and hitting serves harder than we've ever seen.
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Thank you for this answer.

To be honest I enjoyed watching Djokovic more when he wasn't even close to todays records. Now I don't even care how he plays, I just care about his records lol.
 
Cortana said:
I was wondering what will hapen after the Big3 retire. I mean they will all finish with records that won't be broken maybe for decades. I know that people say this every generation, but I truely believe this time is different.

I think Djokovic and Nadal will end up with 25+ GS titles, each of them with more AO/RG titles than most ATGs total slam count. Djokovic with 7-8 YE#1, 400+ weeks #1, Nadal with his unreal clay dominance, Federer with 8-9 Wimbledon titles and 237 consecutive weeks #1.

What will we cheer for in the future? For a player to win all 4 slams at least once? Will tennis become boring without such huge records?
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We haven’t seen a big 3 level player show up since Djokovic more than a decade ago. If even ONE guy finds thier recipe he’ll probably win 30+ slams
 
New rivalries, new top players with different but strong personality, new TV technologies (try 3D, navigatable, immersive watching) will keep us hooked.
It is my hope that Novak's tennis can be recorded with the next generation technology.
 
Cortana said:
I was wondering what will hapen after the Big3 retire. I mean they will all finish with records that won't be broken maybe for decades. I know that people say this every generation, but I truely believe this time is different.

I think Djokovic and Nadal will end up with 25+ GS titles, each of them with more AO/RG titles than most ATGs total slam count. Djokovic with 7-8 YE#1, 400+ weeks #1, Nadal with his unreal clay dominance, Federer with 8-9 Wimbledon titles and 237 consecutive weeks #1.

What will we cheer for in the future? For a player to win all 4 slams at least once? Will tennis become boring without such huge records?
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The current tennis fans have habit of expecting someone come and sweep tennis on day 1. But it doesn't happen that way.

Now we will see many years where slam counts will be in single digit until a genuine great will push past the count of 10. It will happen and probably in next 6 years. Alcaraz is already at 2. When they get to 10 only then the GOAT records will be discussed.

Right now there is no need to compare 0/1/2 slam winners on the tour with big 3.
 
Cortana said:
I was wondering what will hapen after the Big3 retire. I mean they will all finish with records that won't be broken maybe for decades. I know that people say this every generation, but I truely believe this time is different.

I think Djokovic and Nadal will end up with 25+ GS titles, each of them with more AO/RG titles than most ATGs total slam count. Djokovic with 7-8 YE#1, 400+ weeks #1, Nadal with his unreal clay dominance, Federer with 8-9 Wimbledon titles and 237 consecutive weeks #1.

What will we cheer for in the future? For a player to win all 4 slams at least once? Will tennis become boring without such huge records?
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July 2021 prediction though.
 
ND-13 said:
We said the same when Sampras had 14.
We said the same when Roger got to 17 and 20.

We need to learn. Otherwise we are stupid.
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Sampras's 14 were never unbreakable.

Borg had 11 playing 3 slams a year and going 0/4 in finals at the USO. Not to mention the fact he retired at 25. Forget about the "what if" had he played longer, if he had played the AO a few times and had done better at one or two of the USO finals he'd have 14 or more.

With Federer, they did seem a bit unbreakable, but Nadal was always looming around. When Nadal had that great 2013 winning 2 slams and Federer 0 and he was at the final in the AO, there was a lot of talk about him getting the slam record. In 2015/2016 it cooled down because both seemed finished, but in 2016 Djokovic was starting to gain traction and getting closer to them.

When he won the AO 2018 Djokovic was too far away and Nadal was 4 slams away which is not that much for the Big 3 but he was not getting any younger, I think at that point it did look good for Federer.

And if Nadal and Djokovic had not surpassed him 20 would still look unbreakable, I think it will be a will until someone reaches 20 slams.
 
Cortana said:
I was wondering what will hapen after the Big3 retire. I mean they will all finish with records that won't be broken maybe for decades.

What will we cheer for in the future? For a player to win all 4 slams at least once? Will tennis become boring without such huge records?
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Interesting.
The answer depends on how one feels about competition: do we like more competition and distribution among more players, or less competition and the same three players winning almost everything?

So, three players winning 20+ slams each
or
ten players winning six slams each?
 
We cheer for the good Tennis. Any pro any day can turn it up and play good tennis.

Records will tumble. This is true of most records. But records are merely a by-product of the good Tennis.
 
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Nothing. Tennis has been finished now and won't be ignited again until Alcaraz makes it to 20ish and is in sight of taking the slam record. Until then there is no point at all in watching tennis.

In fact, for the true connoisseur, watching any actual tennis is infinitely inferior to looking up the Wikipedia chart of records and results and deciding who's best by reference to the particular set of number beside their games. You wouldn't want to be mesmerized or distracted from what is important by the gauche sight of real athletes locked in battle and swinging racquets. Perish the thought.

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