When Stan Finishes, will he become this generations Safin?

Wynter

Legend
I was thinking this, and how we have the debate over how good 'peak' Safin was, which most people place as the last few months of 04-05 AO

So in essence, will Stan also take the mantle of when at his best, he was nigh on unplayable? An example would be the first set and a half of the AO, and the last set vs Fed yesterday.

So will Stan become the headcase that was a supreme player when he was in the zone ala Safin, or be rememebered as something else entirely?
 

DolgoSantoro

Professional
No, he doesn't have the aura that people give to Safin even now. That said though, I'm much more impressed with Stan than I ever was with Safin.
 

TeamOB

Professional
When Wawrinka gets a player's box like this and wins two slams, we can start talking. For now Safin is by far the better player in every meaning of the word.

SafinAO.jpg
 

newpball

Legend
When Wawrinka gets a player's box like this and wins two slams, we can start talking. For now Safin is by far the better player in every meaning of the word.

SafinAO.jpg
Holy Moly! :eek:

Which player can top that? ;)

:grin:
 
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Matt H.

Professional
Funny pic, I was going to compare more to Thomas Johansson actually.

Later stage of career AO win, and I think TJ had a masters series title or two as well.
 

TeamOB

Professional
Funny pic, I was going to compare more to Thomas Johansson actually.

Later stage of career AO win, and I think TJ had a masters series title or two as well.

The babes in that pic are the only reason Johansson won a slam. The pic was taken during the 2002 AO final. If these hotties hadn't distracted Safin during the match (and the night before), TJ would have been slamless.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
When Wawrinka gets a player's box like this and wins two slams, we can start talking. For now Safin is by far the better player in every meaning of the word.

I get it about the number of Slams but how does having 3 girlfriends on the go as opposed to having a wife and kiddie make Safin a better player than Wawrinka? :confused:
 

booson

Professional
When Wawrinka gets a player's box like this and wins two slams, we can start talking. For now Safin is by far the better player in every meaning of the word.

SafinAO.jpg

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Move along, people.

I get it about the number of Slams but how does having 3 girlfriends on the go as opposed to having a wife and kiddie make Safin a better player than Wawrinka? :confused:
You're either too young, too innocent or have no sense of humor... Anyway, I'll answer it. It's really easy: FOURSOMES :)
 
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Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
When Stan Finishes, will he become this generations Safin?

Why not. There's nothing special about either one.

So in essence, will Stan also take the mantle of when at his best, he was nigh on unplayable? An example would be the first set and a half of the AO, and the last set vs Fed yesterday.

Nadal gifted the first set with double faults, and over the past few years that wasn't the first time Fed has disappeared in a final set. It's become his MO. Fed has his moments but can rarely put it together for an entire tournament these days. Unplayable? Let's not get crazy here. He's beaten Nadal and Fed a combined 3 times in 27 attempts.
 
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Anaconda

Hall of Fame
Nope.




People seem to forget that Safin was seriously plagued with injuries from 2003-2005, missed every slam in 2003, and got injured in his comeback year, then got injured after winning AO 2005. Years 2006+ were pretty pointless as he was moving like a bus and his forehand was a breakdown shot.



Not being butthurt because Djokovic just lost, but Safin was a lot quicker to win 2 slams than Wawrinka, despite being hampered by injury for two seasons between his two slam wins.




Wawrinka could win 5 slams and I'd still never rank him above Safin. Obviously, Wawrinka is better than the 05+ injured Safin, but not the Safin that could walk into AO and beat Roddick and Agassi (without playing for a season).
 

Camus

Rookie
Safin was, and is, an idiot, and Putin lover.

Stan is a normal person, who dosn't work for killers and dictators.

Go Kasparov!
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
I don't know about that, Safin beat the best of both generations, won slams in two completely different eras, and really didn't get to play good tennis past 2005 onwards. His last 4.5 seasons went nowhere aside from one SF run at Wimbledon and a DC win. Where as Stan has won slams in his later years. Safin should get more credit; Wawrinka has beaten some difficult players on route to his slams, whilst Safin beat arguably even better players.



They have some things in common (big weapons from a lot of different angles). Safin had that kind of feel and finesse, and would actually craft and construct points. Wawrinka takes more risks and is more wreckless (athough Safin had moments of insanity in his decision making).
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Wawrinka could win 5 slams and I'd still never rank him above Safin. Obviously, Wawrinka is better than the 05+ injured Safin, but not the Safin that could walk into AO and beat Roddick and Agassi (without playing for a season).

I'm a huge Safin fan and when he was at his best he destroyed Sampras and beat prime Federer saving match points in the process.

However to say you'd pick him overall in a situation where Wawrinka retires with 5 Slam victories? That's a bit much.

So you'd take Safin over Becker and Edberg? Probably Wilander too.

If we're talking primes, Safin might be the best but I'm under the impression the OP is talking about players who had inconsistent careers but won in fashion.
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
I'm a huge Safin fan and when he was at his best he destroyed Sampras and beat prime Federer saving match points in the process.

However to say you'd pick him overall in a situation where Wawrinka retires with 5 Slam victories? That's a bit much.

So you'd take Safin over Becker and Edberg? Probably Wilander too.

If we're talking primes, Safin might be the best but I'm under the impression the OP is talking about players who had inconsistent careers but won in fashion.

I Safin met those players mentioned, and played well, then he would win. Guys who come to the net would have a hard time trying to beat Safin. He's got passing shots of a sniper, a great running lob, and an aggressive return.



Those guys might have won more, but Safin in full flow blows these guys away. Safin had an inconsistent career but it wasn't just down to poor results, it was due to him getting injured at the worst possible time, and from mid 2005 - 2009, he was a shadow of what he was at the start of 2005.



Quite a few players have posted better results than Safin, but I don't necessarily rate them as actual better players; I rate them as bigger achievers.
 
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