When, Where, and by Whom Will We See the Next GS Won Without the Loss of a Set?

Interesting thing to me about Djokovic isn’t so much that he never won a slam without losing a set as that he only three times won a slam for the loss of a single set, and always at the AO: 08, 11, 23. His first, second, and 22nd slam titles.
 
Federer was asked after winning Wimbledon 2006 final. "How are you feeling that Nadal won 1 set and hence you missed the chance to win every match in straight sets. His reply - as long as he doesn't win 3, I'm fine"

That sums it up. Tennis players don't care or focus on this record. The only thing that matters is whether you won the tournament or not.

As to why it has happened so less, that's because it takes insane domination over all 7 matches not to lose a set. And even then, they are likely to lose a set in earlier rounds where they haven't peaked up.

Example of Djokovic comes to my mind. He was dominant in AO 11, 19, 23 and USO 18.
But didn't mind losing 1 set in the earlier rounds. By the time quarters came, he was untouchable
I mean, that’s the point of the thread :X3:
 
I agree, post-2016 both Fedal took advantage of inflation era. But Djokovic has been doing for much longer, he was just there at the right time, not because he is any better.

Thread is not about Djokovic, it is about those who were listed, yet the first thing you did was mention Djokovic, instead of doing what your namesake is all about and that is point out that Fedal have inflated numbers here. You are Inflation Era, right? The fact you glazed over that major detail and had to have it pointed out, shows that it is about Djokovic and nobody but Djokovic for you.
 
Thread is not about Djokovic, it is about those who were listed, yet the first thing you did was mention Djokovic, instead of doing what your namesake is all about and that is point out that Fedal have inflated numbers here. You are Inflation Era, right? The fact you glazed over that major detail and had to have it pointed out, shows that it is about Djokovic and nobody but Djokovic for you.

I already agreed Fedal are inflated. But they are inflated much less than Djokovic. It makes sense to name the most inflated first.
 
Either Sinner at AO/USO or Raz at Wimbledon imo. Leaning more towards Raz at Wimbledon because most players can't play on grass.
 
I already agreed Fedal are inflated. But they are inflated much less than Djokovic. It makes sense to name the most inflated first.

Djokovic's name was not part of the OP. This was your moment to shine, and show its got nothing to do with Djokovic, but tennis as a whole, and you let it go, because lets be honest, Federer was made to look good in the OP, so why would you come into the thread and say - Hey, inflated numbers for Federer here.

You spoke immediately about Djokovic, which says everything. And we both know, if Federer had won the most slams, your account would be named a little different. Tell me your agenda, without telling me it, right?

Anyways, that's me done here. (y)
 
Drag these hypocrites.

In fair world admins would see this as well instead of allowing trolls to prosper
Djokovic's name was not part of the OP. This was your moment to shine, and show its got nothing to do with Djokovic, but tennis as a whole, and you let it go, because lets be honest, Federer was made to look good in the OP, so why would you come into the thread and say - Hey, inflated numbers for Federer here.

You spoke immediately about Djokovic, which says everything. And we both know, if Federer had won the most slams, your account would be named a little different. Tell me your agenda, without telling me it, right?

Anyways, that's me done here. (y)
 
This proves nothing. Do not play dumb as Djokovic also made AO semifinals recently and won Olympics on clay.
Zero point showing grass is any different.
He didn't reach the final, did he? He had to withdraw that year and got dismantled by Sinner last year when he wasn't even injured, and that's where he's at his best.

Kyrgios reaching the final is another evidence that the grass field is weak. Even though he benefited from Rafa having to withdraw, he never reached a slam SF anywhere else and such a lazy player going that far in a slam tells me something is wrong. I don't believe for a second that'd have happened 10-20 years ago.
 
He didn't reach the final, did he? He had to withdraw that year and got dismantled by Sinner last year when he wasn't even injured, and that's where he's at his best.

Kyrgios reaching the final is another evidence that the grass field is weak. Even though he benefited from Rafa having to withdraw, he never reached a slam SF anywhere else and such a lazy player going that far in a slam tells me something is wrong. I don't believe for a second that'd have happened 10-20 years ago.
He reached final but his QF opponent was injured and played just 5 matches to final.

Here he played 3 seeds dangerous ones. And Sinner played joke of a draw so this could easily be Djokovic's final if he had Sinner's draw.

Kyrgios reached QF in 2014 itself and its his own injuries which kept him from reaching the top. In 2017 Kyrgios and Federer Stuttgart SF? was most anticipated match of entire grass season. With his huge serve he always has chance.

You believe means SQUAT to me. Unseeded Mark Philippoussis reached Wimbledon final in 2003 more than 20 years ago. So its time for you to learn from History and stop making stuff up.
 
Alcaraz at Wimbledon is the real answer. Probably not this year but I can see it in the next couple of years. The final last year wasn't really competitive at all and he seems head and shoulders above the rest on grass.
 
Alcaraz at Wimbledon is the real answer. Probably not this year but I can see it in the next couple of years. The final last year wasn't really competitive at all and he seems head and shoulders above the rest on grass.

He was basically one failure to hold serve away from going out to Tiafoe in the 3rd or 4th round.

I wouldn't call that head and shoulders above the rest.
 
Alcaraz on clay is better than Raz on grass. I think. But time will tell.
Clay anyway is the best place to bulldoze your opponents not grass where a small thing wrong and you lose a set. Grass is heaven for big serving and first punching.

Unlike that clay always gives you chances to come back so highest probability a player can go without loss of a set. No chance on grass.
 
He reached final but his QF opponent was injured and played just 5 matches to final.

Here he played 3 seeds dangerous ones. And Sinner played joke of a draw so this could easily be Djokovic's final if he had Sinner's draw.

Kyrgios reached QF in 2014 itself and its his own injuries which kept him from reaching the top. In 2017 Kyrgios and Federer Stuttgart SF? was most anticipated match of entire grass season. With his huge serve he always has chance.

You believe means SQUAT to me. Unseeded Mark Philippoussis reached Wimbledon final in 2003 more than 20 years ago. So its time for you to learn from History and stop making stuff up.
He was nowhere near his 2014 level and went deeper in the tournament. Look at the best players in recent years: Zverev? Did nothing on grass. Med? Did nothing. Ruud? Did nothing. Tsitsipas? Did nothing. Sinner? He has potential, but he's still trying to find his groove. The reason they were so unsuccessful isn't because they dealt with grass monsters, it's because they're not remotely as good on grass as they are on HC or clay. As of now, only Djoker and Raz are good on grass.

Now, you're free to believe that the likes of Kyrgios and Berrettini making a Wimbledon final makes sense and isn't the result of a weak grass field, but I don't see it that way. No need to try to flame me for disagreeing with you, it's not that deep.
 
He was nowhere near his 2014 level and went deeper in the tournament. Look at the best players in recent years: Zverev? Did nothing on grass. Med? Did nothing. Ruud? Did nothing. Tsitsipas? Did nothing. Sinner? He has potential, but he's still trying to find his groove. The reason they were so unsuccessful isn't because they dealt with grass monsters, it's because they're not remotely as good on grass as they are on HC or clay. As of now, only Djoker and Raz are good on grass.

Now, you're free to believe that the likes of Kyrgios and Berrettini making a Wimbledon final makes sense and isn't the result of a weak grass field, but I don't see it that way. No need to try to flame me for disagreeing with you, it's not that deep.
What you say is again completely wrong. Medvedev just last year beat world number 1 sinner in five sets. And pushed Raz as well.

Do not compare Med to players like Tsitsipas and Zverev who are clay heavy.

Kyrgios level in 2014 was much worse than his 2022. In 2022 he was top 3 in ELO just behind Djokovic and Nadal if I am right.
 
These clay courters are a big blot on tennis. The Zverev Tsitsipas Thiem ones.
Medvedev has good resume on grass now with back to back semifinals. And he was banned in 2022 when he was number 1 or 2 or 3 something like that.
 
What you say is again completely wrong. Medvedev just last year beat world number 1 sinner in five sets. And pushed Raz as well.

Do not compare Med to players like Tsitsipas and Zverev who are clay heavy.
He beat a sick Sinner who's yet to become a truly good grass player. And he only took a single set off Raz by the skin of his teeth, before Raz took the 3 remaining sets without much trouble.

Kyrgios level in 2014 was much worse than his 2022. In 2022 he was top 3 in ELO just behind Djokovic and Nadal if I am right.
His level of play at Wimbledon was higher in 2014.
 
He beat a sick Sinner who's yet to become a truly good grass player. And he only took a single set off Raz by the skin of his teeth, before Raz took the 3 remaining sets without much trouble.


His level of play at Wimbledon was higher in 2014.
Sinner was number 1 favorite to win the tournament. This is very easy to NOW come and be brave saying how he was sick. Sick nothing. He beat Sinner fair and square.

Level of play based on what are you saying? This is ludicrous.

2014 - 84.2% hold and 13.9% break
vs
2022 - 92.9% hold and 19.3% break

At this point I have to call this a lie completely. 19 year olds don't have highest level ever.
 
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Sinner was number 1 favorite to win the tournament. This is very easy to NOW come and be brave saying how he was sick. Sick nothing. He beat Sinner fair and square.

Level of play based on what are you saying? This is ludicrous.

2014 - 84.2% hold and 13.9% break
vs
2022 - 92.9% hold and 19.3% break
Him holding his serve and breaking serve more easily against a much weaker field, without even having to play the SF, makes his level higher in 2022?

At this point I have to call this a lie completely. 19 year olds don't have highest level ever.
I never said anything about highest level ever, but ok. Him being better at Wimbledon at 19 than he was at 27 isn't that strange, considering we're talking about a lazy-ass player who never trained properly in his life and never took tennis seriously.
 
Djokovic's name was not part of the OP. This was your moment to shine, and show its got nothing to do with Djokovic, but tennis as a whole, and you let it go, because lets be honest, Federer was made to look good in the OP, so why would you come into the thread and say - Hey, inflated numbers for Federer here.

You spoke immediately about Djokovic, which says everything. And we both know, if Federer had won the most slams, your account would be named a little different. Tell me your agenda, without telling me it, right?

Anyways, that's me done here. (y)
So what if it wasn't part of the OP. No law in expanding the discussion to the one who has gained the most from inflation era. Actually in the OP Nadal was made to look the best, and I am no Nadal fan. So no point in talking about Fed here, but rather to mention Djokovic as the surprising one who couldn't accomplish this feat in the weakest era of all time.

What it is says, is that truth is more important above all. Trust me, you ain't done, your ego is huge.
 
Him holding his serve and breaking serve more easily against a much weaker field, without even having to play the SF, makes his level higher in 2022?


I never said anything about highest level ever, but ok. Him being better at Wimbledon at 19 than he was at 27 isn't that strange, considering we're talking about a lazy-ass player who never trained properly in his life and never took tennis seriously.
This is completely BULL ****

2014 was such a strong field that it will explain difference of 14 hold + break

These are the knowledgeable members on this site LMAO
 
This is completely BULL ****

2014 was such a strong field that it will explain difference of 14 hold + break

These are the knowledgeable members on this site LMAO
I'm not pretending to be part of a group of super knowledgeable fans who understand the game better than everyone else, I just give my opinions. If you get your knickers in a twist over this, I'm not the problem. You're way too invested in this. It's not war, there's no line to hold.
 
He was basically one failure to hold serve away from going out to Tiafoe in the 3rd or 4th round.

I wouldn't call that head and shoulders above the rest.
Ok? But he beat better opponents later on in the tournament and won the whole thing for a 2nd year in a row winning in straights in the final? He's 21 years old and had an off match. When he's 24/25 I don't see him having as many issues.
 
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