When will Alcaraz win his first HC tournament where Djokovic is also in the draw?

[jl809]

So far Raz has won 3 big titles in the US, all of which did not feature Djokovic in the draw at all (or involve beating Rafa either). When he faced Djoker this year at Cincy he was a set and a break up, but lost the set and ended up fighting just to keep his serve for most of the 3rd set as Djoker adapted to the conditions.

With Djoker now allowed back in the US, when will Raz first win a title where the HC GOAT is actually in the tournament?

For me I think it will be the sunshine double next year. Djoker will enter one or both, but I don’t think the surfaces suit him at this point in his career. And Raz likes that time of year already it seems.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

I mean it’s near impossible for him because Djokovic keeps withdrawing from everything that isn’t a slam. Didn’t I hear Djokovic is missing the entire Asian hard court season and won’t play til Paris? Like geez.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic may not play sunshine doubles. I don't know much about Carlito indoors.

So I am guessing next year USOpen series.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I mean it’s near impossible for him because Djokovic keeps withdrawing from everything that isn’t a slam. Didn’t I hear Djokovic is missing the entire Asian hard court season and won’t play til Paris? Like geez.

Is banning and deporting your best champion called withdrawing?

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Is banning and deporting your best champion called withdrawing?

Don’t know why I haven’t blocked you sooner but goodbye for good you sad, pathetic, desperate troll.

 

[NeutralFan]

Question is will he even reach Djokovic?all heavy draw will be in his side to make him stop reaching Djokovic meanwhile Djokovic can safely arrive in final fresh as Daisy to pounce on the tired finalist.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Don’t know why I haven’t blocked you sooner but goodbye for good you sad, pathetic, desperate troll.

Good. I blocked you a year ago.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

As per TTW's theorem, also called the Law of Recency or Mugness Principle, if Djoker won the last slam, Raz won't win anything until Djoker retires.

 

[Benf15harp]

Tiny may never win another tournament on any surface with or without NoLe. He’s too small.

 

[Kemitak]

Question is will he even reach Djokovic?all heavy draw will be in his side to make him stop reaching Djokovic meanwhile Djokovic can safely arrive in final fresh as Daisy to pounce on the tired finalist.

They don’t think it be like it is but it do

 

[FeroBango]

AO. He's had this tendency to be strong at the start of the year more than in the second half. Watch him win the AO next year.

Or not. Who knows.

 

[nolefam_2024]

AO. He's had this tendency to be strong at the start of the year more than in the second half. Watch him win the AO next year.

Or not. Who knows.

What is proof of that. He won USO last year. He is also just 20. He has no pattern that is discernable.

 

[FeroBango]

What is proof of that. He won USO last year. He is also just 20. He has no pattern that is discernable.

Despite the Open, his 2022 had a weaker overall second half -- after becoming a top 5 level player starting at Rio -- as did 2023 relative to half 1.

 

[dking68]

I have a feeling Sinner takes ATP finals this year in his hometown of Turin

 

[nolefam_2024]

I have a feeling Sinner takes ATP finals this year in his hometown of Turin

Alcaraz is highly motivated after USOpen. It will come to him and Nole.

 

[Jonesy]

Alcaraz is highly motivated after USOpen. It will come to him and Nole.

How is Alcaraz indoors?

 

[dking68]

Alcaraz is highly motivated after USOpen. It will come to him and Nole.

Alcaraz sucks indoors. Low bouncing high speed courts benefit Sinner more than Acaraz

 

[dking68]

How is Alcaraz indoors?

Sinner won 5 titles indoors and could’ve won more last year if it weren’t for nagging injuries

 

[CoolCoolCool]

I have a feeling Sinner takes ATP finals this year in his hometown of Turin

You mean like you had the feeling he would take USO?

 

[dking68]

You mean like you had the feeling he would take USO?

No this is a genuine feeling. I said this from the start of this year that he’d win the atp finals

 

[iceman_dl6]

For this year’s US Open, it had nothing to do with Djokovic, it was Medvedev who beat him. Should we also consider DM a threat too? lol

 

[Jonesy]

Sinner won 5 titles indoors and could’ve won more last year if it weren’t for nagging injuries

This is the problem, he really need to put some muscle to avoid future injuries.

 

[dking68]

This is the problem, he really need to put some muscle to avoid future injuries.

Yes I agree

 

[nolefam_2024]

Alcaraz sucks indoors. Low bouncing high speed courts benefit Sinner more than Acaraz

You also said alcaraz sucks on grass and sinner doesn't. Sinner won 0 sets vs Nole but Alcaraz won queens and Wimbledon. He is only 20. He didn't have time to play last year. I think he and Nole are the top dogs this year.

 

[FeroBango]

Lol we forgetting that Alcaraz managed several matches just fine on the centre court grass indoors

 

[dking68]

You also said alcaraz sucks on grass and sinner doesn't. Sinner won 0 sets vs Nole but Alcaraz won queens and Wimbledon. He is only 20. He didn't have time to play last year. I think he and Nole are the top dogs this year.

Sinner has 5 titles indoors my friend

 

[dking68]

You also said alcaraz sucks on grass and sinner doesn't. Sinner won 0 sets vs Nole but Alcaraz won queens and Wimbledon. He is only 20. He didn't have time to play last year. I think he and Nole are the top dogs this year.

Sinner almost took out the defending champion and reigning USO champion in the 2021 edition of Turin - Daniil Medvedev. Sinner has improved immensely since then, so my feeling he wins in Turin this year

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner almost took out the defending champion and reigning USO champion in the 2021 edition of Turin - Daniil Medvedev. Sinner has improved immensely since then, so my feeling he wins in Turin this year

Let's see.

 

[dking68]

Let's see.

Remember he’s a hybrid of Agassi and Djokovic with more power and they both were excellent indoor players and hit flat. So it will be rewarded indoors

 

[nolefam_2024]

Remember he’s a hybrid of Agassi and Djokovic with more power and they both were excellent indoor players and hit flat. So it will be rewarded indoors

We never established this. I have seen Agassi just a bit. But Djokovic is supreme mover. And sinner isn't.

 

[dking68]

We never established this. I have seen Agassi just a bit. But Djokovic is supreme mover. And sinner isn't.

But there’s no question the flat strokes sinner has will be rewarded indoors. He blasts the crap out of both wings

 

[nolefam_2024]

But there’s no question the flat strokes sinner has will be rewarded indoors. He blasts the crap out of both wings

Yes he will be among top 4 in turin. Along with Medvedev.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Djokovic will finally be allowed to play IW/Miami for the first time in 1000 years or whatever.

So one of those tournaments.

 

[RS]

Djokovic will finally be allowed to play IW/Miami for the first time in 1000 years or whatever.

So one of those tournaments.

I reckon Djokovic will be good in it next year tbh. Maybe not both though but one.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I reckon Djokovic will be good in it next year tbh.

Carlos better be ready to comply.

 

[DSH]

So far Raz has won 3 big titles in the US, all of which did not feature Djokovic in the draw at all (or involve beating Rafa either). When he faced Djoker this year at Cincy he was a set and a break up, but lost the set and ended up fighting just to keep his serve for most of the 3rd set as Djoker adapted to the conditions.

With Djoker now allowed back in the US, when will Raz first win a title where the HC GOAT is actually in the tournament?

For me I think it will be the sunshine double next year. Djoker will enter one or both, but I don’t think the surfaces suit him at this point in his career. And Raz likes that time of year already it seems.

If Alcaraz had had the unspeakable draw that the USTA gave to the Serbian wolf, Alcaraz would already be champion of a hard court tournament with Djokovic in the draw.
Sometimes it's just a matter of manipulation, sorry, luck for things to happen.

 

[dking68]

If Alcaraz had had the unspeakable draw that the USTA gave to the Serbian wolf, Alcaraz would already be champion of a hard court tournament with Djokovic in the draw.
Sometimes it's just a matter of manipulation, sorry, luck for things to happen.

Yup

 

[TheNachoMan]

If Alcaraz had had the unspeakable draw that the USTA gave to the Serbian wolf, Alcaraz would already be champion of a hard court tournament with Djokovic in the draw.
Sometimes it's just a matter of manipulation, sorry, luck for things to happen.

If, if if as your idol said

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Indian wells! It could happen at Australia if Alcaraz gets hot there.

However, I’ll go IW!

 

[nolefam_2024]

Indian wells! It could happen at Australia if Alcaraz gets hot there.

However, I’ll go IW!

Nole is amazing in Melbourne. I want him to win another in the kid's presence.

 

[dking68]

Nole is amazing in Melbourne. I want him to win another in the kid's presence.

Alcaraz will find it very hard to win in Melbourne. Too much topspin. Melbourne will be dominated next by Sinner and for a short period of time Medvedev

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Nole is amazing in Melbourne. I want him to win another in the kid's presence.

Yeah Djokovic is favourite. Carlitos has a solid chance though if he’s in form. We can’t discount meddy either.

It’s probably to soon for Nadal but we will see.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Alcaraz will find it very hard to win in Melbourne. Too much topspin. Melbourne will be dominated next by Sinner and for a short period of time Medvedev

I hope Sinner make the improvements you wanted for next year buddy. A good indoor season could help his confidence for 2024.

 

[dking68]

I hope Sinner make the improvements you wanted for next year buddy. A good indoor season could help his confidence for 2024.

Yes I will have the highest confidence if he wins in Turin. If he serves over 60% serves in indoors, he will beat everybody.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Yes I will have the highest confidence if he wins in Turin. If he serves over 60% serves in indoors, he will beat everybody.

I hope he does. He’s great for the game.

ATP finals would be the perfect launch pad for him if he won. Let’s see. He should be relatively fresh to keep pushing on.

 

[dking68]

I hope he does. He’s great for the game.

ATP finals would be the perfect launch pad for him if he won. Let’s see. He should be relatively fresh to keep pushing on.

His game is best indoors. This is Sinner’s best surfaces based on observation

Indoor hard > Outdoor hard > Grass > Clay

 

[socallefty]

But there’s no question the flat strokes sinner has will be rewarded indoors. He blasts the crap out of both wings

I am wondering if you have ever seen Sinner play in person. He has very high topspin on both wings. He hits hard also which is why his trajectory is not high-arcing. He is not a flat shot hitter like Medvedev.

Wrecking Ball: Jannik Sinner Has The Heaviest Backhand Of Them All | Infosys ATP Beyond The Numbers | ATP Tour | Tennis

Italian teen Jannik Sinner hits the heaviest ball from the backhand wing than any other ATP Tour tennis star, topping even Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic.

www.atptour.com

2021 results

click to see the 2021 data.

2022 Data of topspin and pace for last 16 at AO.

https://www.atptour.com/-/media/images/news/2023/02/20/21/21/forehand-analytics-february-2023.jpg

 

[dking68]

I am wondering if you have ever seen Sinner play in person. He has very high topspin on both wings. He hits hard also which is why his trajectory is not high-arcing. He is not a flat shot hitter like Medvedev.

Wrecking Ball: Jannik Sinner Has The Heaviest Backhand Of Them All | Infosys ATP Beyond The Numbers | ATP Tour | Tennis

Italian teen Jannik Sinner hits the heaviest ball from the backhand wing than any other ATP Tour tennis star, topping even Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic.

www.atptour.com

click to see the 2021 data.

I still think he’s a flat hitter despite the stats. Surprised to see Rublev has such a high topspin

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yeah Djokovic is favourite. Carlitos has a solid chance though if he’s in form. We can’t discount meddy either.

It’s probably to soon for Nadal but we will see.

No Nadal. You are now becoming too unbiased.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Alcaraz will find it very hard to win in Melbourne. Too much topspin. Melbourne will be dominated next by Sinner and for a short period of time Medvedev

It's possible.