When will Djokovic take over the h2h vs Nadal?

When? WHEN!!????

  • As early as possible - Canada/Cincinnati 2013

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • At the end of 2013

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • Before the 2014 clay season

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • At the end of 2014

    Votes: 8 26.7%

  • Before the 2015 clay season

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • At the end of 2015

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • Nadal will retire this or next year to protect the h2h

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Nadal will skip everything other than clay to protect the h2h

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • Total voters
    30
tennis_pro

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
So far Nadal leads 19-15. Given that Nadal isn't even certain to beat Djokovic on clay anymore and given the fact that he hasn't beaten Djokovic on a non-clay surface for 2,5 years - when is Djokovic going to take over the h2h?

Of course if Nadal doesn't do a Nadal and skip the entire hard court season again.
 
tusharlovesrafa said:
h2h rarely matters,it's all about slams you know,so who cares?
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on this website H2H is all that matters.


I mean, nearly 1/2 of nadal vs. djoker matches have been on clay.. many matches also before djoker's prime.


What in the world are nadal fans going to do when he does take over this H2H.

I think they are going to give up
 
zam88 said:
on this website H2H is all that matters.


I mean, nearly 1/2 of nadal vs. djoker matches have been on clay.. many matches also before djoker's prime.


What in the world are nadal fans going to do when he does take over this H2H.

I think they are going to give up
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LOL..I think h2h discussion is pretty dumb and bogus argument.Murray leads h2h with federer,does it make murray better than fed!!??:shock:
 
It's not gonna happen because Ralph will romp home in Rome and RG, which would make the H2H 21-15.
Ralph will then lose to Djokovic on grass(since Djoker is a superior grasscourter) and the H2H will finally be 21-16.
Ralph will then tank the HC events to preserve the H2H and this cycle will continue on in the clay season of 2014 with Ralph maintaining a healthy +5 lead over Djokovic till they retire.
 
I think Nadal will protect his H2H against Djoker by tanking HC season or not showing up, like he has done against Federer in the past. He realizes Djoker will soon pass him in slam count, so H2H is his last bastion of glory.
 
tusharlovesrafa said:
LMAO,better grass courter my a*s..I think djoko has a great shot at this RG,but djoko is not a better grass courter than nadal..Nadal has made 5 Wimbly finals winning 2 of them and djoko has won only 1 wimbly,he has total of 1 title on grass where as nadal has won 3 titles.:lol:
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Just as Nadal was considered a better hard courter than Djokovic at the end of 2010? Get out of here. Djokovic will back that up soon, just you watch.
 
tennis_pro said:
Just as Nadal was considered a better hard courter than Djokovic at the end of 2010? Get out of here. Djokovic will back that up soon, just you watch.
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I always thought djoko was a better hard courter,even though he wan't that great in 2010,but djoko is not a better grass courter than nadal.JUST A BIG NO! I don't see him winning another wimbledon.:)
 
It will happen eventually, the more they play, the more Djokovic will win. I really can't see Nadal scoring many more wins if Djokovic plays good tennis. It's impressive that Djokovic is only 4 matches behind Nadal seeing as Djokovic has played Nadal many times on clay and quite a few matches before Djokovic hit his stride. I honestly think Djokovic has denied Nadal becoming the most successful player ever. I actually believe Djokovic will surpass Nadal's slam count - and this isn't because of recent events, I think Djokovic has what it takes to play at a high level for a very long time to come.
 
Who cares? In my very humbalito opinion, Noel wants to win RG and then up his slam count.

H2H was more a concern in Fedals case where it is quite a yawning gap, but 19-15 is hardly noteworthy.
 
LOL. The anti-Nadal brigade hate the fact that Nadal has head-to-head leads over his main rivals, and that he always has had. The reason why Nadal has those leads is because he was that damn good when in form.
 
Mustard said:
The reason why Nadal has those leads is because he was that damn good when in form.
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You do realise Federer has been severely past his prime since 2007, and Djokovic has played Nadal quite a few times between 2006-2010 when for the majority of the time he was playing like crap. 2011 Nadal was even better than 2010, Djokovic just came to life. Again, I believe Djokovic stopped Nadal from becomign the most successful player ever in slams.


Djokovic will surpass Nadal's h2h and slam count when both are done.
 
Mustard said:
LOL. The anti-Nadal brigade hate the fact that Nadal has head-to-head leads over his main rivals, and that he always has had. The reason why Nadal has those leads is because he was that damn good when in form.
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Not their rivals' fault when Nadal gets blown off the court outside of clay and thus never gets to play them.
 
Mustard said:
LOL. The anti-Nadal brigade hate the fact that Nadal has head-to-head leads over his main rivals, and that he always has had. The reason why Nadal has those leads is because he was that damn good when in form.
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Since 2011, Djoker leads the H2H 8-3. :)
 
Well, Nadal is no threat to Federer's records, Djokovic is. Knowing he is just getting better and better. If Nadal can't overtake Federer, I'd love to see Djokovic do it. He will end up with a positive H2H not only against Nadal but Federer too. Also Murray will only extend his lead against Federer, making Federer everyone's b*tch. Also, if Djokovic wins the CYGS this year, he will practically be anointed to GOAThood.
 
The new logic would be "Until the H2H is a +5 difference over 25+ matches, it is not noteworthy and insignificant. But once this threshold is reached, then H2H is of utmost significance, more than majors.
 
zam88 said:
on this website H2H is all that matters.


I mean, nearly 1/2 of nadal vs. djoker matches have been on clay.. many matches also before djoker's prime.


What in the world are nadal fans going to do when he does take over this H2H.

I think they are going to give up
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Actually this is the surface breakdown

Hardcourt 16 matches (Djokovic leads 11-5)
Clay 15 matches (nadal leads 12-3)
Grass 3 matches (Nadal leads 2-1)

They've played one more match on Hard than clay, but it's pretty even. Djokovic just hasn't used his hc superiority as effectively as Nadal has used his on clay. But you really can't argue Nadal has benefitted from playing too many matches on clay.

Now, from this point on maybe Djokovic can take the lead in H2H. But slams matter most ;)

Anaconda said:
You do realise Federer has been severely past his prime since 2007, and Djokovic has played Nadal quite a few times between 2006-2010 when for the majority of the time he was playing like crap. 2011 Nadal was even better than 2010, Djokovic just came to life. Again, I believe Djokovic stopped Nadal from becomign the most successful player ever in slams.


Djokovic will surpass Nadal's h2h and slam count when both are done.
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Fed was past his prime after 2007 but I wouldn't say severely. He got a bit worse, Nadal got a bit better, that tiny margin was enough for Nadal toedge matches like Wimby 2008 and AO 2009. Also Djokovic was not crap from 2006-2010. He was a very good player in 2007, 2008 and even parts of 2009 (years in which he beat Nadal several times on HC and scared the life out of him on clay in 2009) but he had an awful 2010 (half of 2009 was bad too) and then became an extremely good layer in 2011. But he was still good before that.

Bear in mind, I'm a big fan of Djokovic, and not a Nadal fan, but I have to be fair on this.
 
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The only chance Djokovic has with facing Nadal is during the the first 6 months. Djokovic would wipe the floor with Nadal now if they played more indoor events but that won't happen.
 
Head to head between Nadal and Djoko:

2006: 1-0 N
2007: 5-2 N
2008: 4-2 N
2009: 4-3 N
2010: 2-0 N
2011: 6-0 D
2012: 3-1 N
2013: 1-0 D

The big turning point in Nadal/Djokovic rivalry happened in 2011. Before 2011, Djokovic beat Nadal ONLY in hard court masters (IW, Miami, Canada, Cincy, Paris + WTF).
What changed radically in 2011 is Djokovic's ability to beat Nadal on other surfaces than hard (grass and clay) and in the best of 5 format (slams)
It's gonna be really interesting to see how Nadal manages to defend his territory (natural surfaces) in the next few seasons and whether he can make some inroad vs Djoko on hard.
 
The way ND has destroyed his confidence level in 2011 seems like that will repeat in 2013. MC final display was not by any Nadal standards.
 
The-Champ said:
Well, Nadal is no threat to Federer's records, Djokovic is. Knowing he is just getting better and better. If Nadal can't overtake Federer, I'd love to see Djokovic do it. He will end up with a positive H2H not only against Nadal but Federer too. Also Murray will only extend his lead against Federer, making Federer everyone's b*tch. Also, if Djokovic wins the CYGS this year, he will practically be anointed to GOAThood.
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Federer is doing an excellent job of keeping the h2h's fairly even at 31/32.
 
veroniquem said:
Head to head between Nadal and Djoko:

2006: 1-0 N
2007: 5-2 N
2008: 4-2 N
2009: 4-3 N
2010: 2-0 N
2011: 6-0 D
2012: 3-1 N
2013: 1-0 D

The big turning point in Nadal/Djokovic rivalry happened in 2011. Before 2011, Djokovic beat Nadal ONLY in hard court masters (IW, Miami, Canada, Cincy, Paris + WTF).
What changed radically in 2011 is Djokovic's ability to beat Nadal on other surfaces than hard (grass and clay) and in the best of 5 format (slams)
It's gonna be really interesting to see how Nadal manages to defend his territory (natural surfaces) in the next few seasons and whether he can make some inroad vs Djoko on hard.
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It's pretty funny that out of 8 seasons in which Nadal faced Djokovic, Djokovic leads in only 2 of those yet trails only by 4 match wins (15-19). So, practically, if he does another 2011 this year (beats Nadal another 5 times this season without losing once), he'll lead the h2h despite finishing 6 seasons out of 8 with a negative h2h against Nadal. I find that pretty funny, don't you?
 
I have never seen a player transform so dramatically as Djokovic did in 2011.

Nadal maxed out his potential very early on, but Djokovic took an age to develop. Once he did, though, he evolved into a better player than Nadal ever was.

Nadal is like that school bully who hit puberty really early and started shoving the other kids around. Djokovic is like the quiet kid who had a late growth spurt and turned into a monster.

Who do you wanna support? The school bully? Or the beast?
 
I don't see why Nadal will even play much hard courts. Bad for the knees, and have to go through likley two of the top fours. There is a good chance to see him taking the rest of the year off after Wimbledon.
 
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By the logic of many here Nadal should retire tomorrow to protect his precious head to head count. Or conversely Nadal should play every tournament on every surface regardless of pain or logic so Djokovic can clock up big numbers on him.

Bean counters with clockwork souls care for such banal statistics. I can see the trainspotters with their 70s headbands and their anoraks compiling lists and formulae with infinite care Borg is greater than Lendl is greater than Edberg but Sampras was blah blah blah... Tennis is poetry. We who were in stands and saw the matches know about the results are measured in gasps and sighs and of the beats your heart missed.
 
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Mustard said:
LOL. The anti-Nadal brigade hate the fact that Nadal has head-to-head leads over his main rivals, and that he always has had. The reason why Nadal has those leads is because he was that damn good when in form.
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And yet up until 2008 he could never reach #1, not win a HC slam. And even when he became #1, he could never sustain it for long. Face it, Nadal is nothing without his beloved clay. Can you say the same for Federer without grass? No. :evil:
 
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tennis_pro said:
So far Nadal leads 19-15. Given that Nadal isn't even certain to beat Djokovic on clay anymore and given the fact that he hasn't beaten Djokovic on a non-clay surface for 2,5 years - when is Djokovic going to take over the h2h?

Of course if Nadal doesn't do a Nadal and skip the entire hard court season again.
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It's now 22-16
 
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@tennis_pro - Where is the 'never' option. :)

Tennis-pro and Anaconda in 'silly predictions' shocker.

You'd have thunked it.
 
Anaconda said:
It will happen eventually, the more they play, the more Djokovic will win. I really can't see Nadal scoring many more wins if Djokovic plays good tennis. It's impressive that Djokovic is only 4 matches behind Nadal seeing as Djokovic has played Nadal many times on clay and quite a few matches before Djokovic hit his stride. I honestly think Djokovic has denied Nadal becoming the most successful player ever. I actually believe Djokovic will surpass Nadal's slam count - and this isn't because of recent events, I think Djokovic has what it takes to play at a high level for a very long time to come.
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This guy talks sense.
 
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