When will Head ever release Djokovic’s actual stick ?

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
HEAD racquets are on pallets and don’t have buried weights. All HEaD racquets are on the TK82S pallets now. I haven’t tried extending it but I’m sure it’s very easy considering the hairpin is hollow.


Thanks very much for the info.; will look into it more; bp of 31cm makes extension viable, especially if I can find a slightly more headlight than standard spec. one. (y) Couldn't remember re pallets; is Pro TK82S now also?
 

H22 fan

Rookie
Yep, great racquet, have tried it and thought it felt great; if only, like older versions, it was still available in a 27 1/2" - or even a 28" a la Grosjean?
How 'extendable' are retail Prestiges, as in commercial Wilsons, for example, can be very difficult to extend due to the buried handle weights? Do retail Prestiges have the same issue? (I'm referring to a permanent extension, not for example, an XTP butt cap.) I can 'handle' TK82S but can no longer use TK82, even though I used the original Prestige bitd, this also adds another wrinkle.
Retail Head frames have the weights in the hairpin, no chance to remove them. But you can extend them easily to 27.5 only by pallets with minimal weight added.
Wilson frames have the weights in molded handle, can be removed by removing molded handle and installing Head pallets or other molded handle.
 

McLovin

Legend
HEAD racquets are on pallets and don’t have buried weights. All HEaD racquets are on the TK82S pallets now. I haven’t tried extending it but I’m sure it’s very easy considering the hairpin is hollow.
I've actually tried this a few times, and eventually the pallet cracks.

My last attempt involved gluing a 1/2" length of a wood dowel provided by Pacific for extending their frames (similar in that the pallets came 'uncut'). It wasn't an exact match to the hairpin, but I filled in the space w/ some silicone. Attached the butt cap, and hit the courts.

It played great for ~ 3 sets, and then I felt the butt cap come lose. When I unwrapped the grip, I noticed that the pallet had cracked in the same location as my previous attempts (where I didn't glue & backfill space w/ silicone).

I'm sure there is someone here who has successfully done it, and I'd like to hear how they did it as I'm tired of ordering pallets from overseas and having them crack on me. There are some nice Head frames I'd like to try, but at 5' 9", I need that extra length on the serve.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
I've actually tried this a few times, and eventually the pallet cracks.

My last attempt involved gluing a 1/2" length of a wood dowel provided by Pacific for extending their frames (similar in that the pallets came 'uncut'). It wasn't an exact match to the hairpin, but I filled in the space w/ some silicone. Attached the butt cap, and hit the courts.

It played great for ~ 3 sets, and then I felt the butt cap come lose. When I unwrapped the grip, I noticed that the pallet had cracked in the same location as my previous attempts (where I didn't glue & backfill space w/ silicone).

I'm sure there is someone here who has successfully done it, and I'd like to hear how they did it as I'm tired of ordering pallets from overseas and having them crack on me. There are some nice Head frames I'd like to try, but at 5' 9", I need that extra length on the serve.
I have no experience doing this. I know Roman in NY does this work. I don’t know how much he charges.
 

McLovin

Legend
I have no experience doing this. I know Roman in NY does this work. I don’t know how much he charges.
I believe it's ~$40-50 per racquet (@bleno567 ?), plus shipping (both ways). And I'm certain his is much better than my POS wood dowel + glue + silicone. But, I was trying to DIY on the cheap (and have a little fun in the process). If I was serious about it, I'd send it to him or Bosworth.

It's a shame the Racquet Bar at the National Campus in Orlando doesn't offer that service as my daughter works right above them and I could save on shipping. But I spoke w/ Roman's son one day and he said they'd just ship it up to his dad (and charge me for it...).
 

bleno567

Professional
I believe it's ~$40-50 per racquet (@bleno567 ?), plus shipping (both ways). And I'm certain his is much better than my POS wood dowel + glue + silicone. But, I was trying to DIY on the cheap (and have a little fun in the process). If I was serious about it, I'd send it to him or Bosworth.

It's a shame the Racquet Bar at the National Campus in Orlando doesn't offer that service as my daughter works right above them and I could save on shipping. But I spoke w/ Roman's son one day and he said they'd just ship it up to his dad (and charge me for it...).
Yes. I believe it was $50-60 / frame (forgotten exact amount) for Roman to provide the service. He will only extend up to 0.5". Bosworth also provides the service, but it's about $40 / frame and extends up to 1".

The main other difference besides price and max length they're willing to extend is turnaround time. Roman is fast. He turned my frames around within a week or so of receipt. Bosworth on the other hand took a few weeks. Both provided excellent craftsmanship, and I was very happy with the quality of either final product.
 
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H22 fan

Rookie
I've actually tried this a few times, and eventually the pallet cracks.

My last attempt involved gluing a 1/2" length of a wood dowel provided by Pacific for extending their frames (similar in that the pallets came 'uncut'). It wasn't an exact match to the hairpin, but I filled in the space w/ some silicone. Attached the butt cap, and hit the courts.

It played great for ~ 3 sets, and then I felt the butt cap come lose. When I unwrapped the grip, I noticed that the pallet had cracked in the same location as my previous attempts (where I didn't glue & backfill space w/ silicone).

I'm sure there is someone here who has successfully done it, and I'd like to hear how they did it as I'm tired of ordering pallets from overseas and having them crack on me. There are some nice Head frames I'd like to try, but at 5' 9", I need that extra length on the serve.
I have extented some Head frames by 1/2” and the pallets (Tk 82, 4 1/4 size) never cracked. I filled the empty space with silicone and used rubber glue to secure the butt cap. If you stapled the butt cap, that’s the reason for cracks.
 

McLovin

Legend
If you stapled the butt cap, that’s the reason for cracks.
Interesting. I did staple them every time. I have one more pallet sitting in front of me...I may give it one more try w/o staping.

How do you remove the butt cap if its on w/ glue?
 

H22 fan

Rookie
Interesting. I did staple them every time. I have one more pallet sitting in front of me...I may give it one more try w/o staping.

How do you remove the butt cap if its on w/ glue?
To remove it you need a thin blade like a cutter blade or a hacksaw blade. Just insert it on between the butt cup and pallet on each side. Finally the buttcap will get lose. Need to use flexible rubber glue. Never use Loctite 495 or 496 or any epoxy.
 
If you’re ok not having access to inside the hairpin, after you put the new pallets on (cut to the desired xl length) add a chunk of balsa wood or whatever hard material you want to fill the gap and prevent the stress on pallets from bending inwards. You’ll obviously have to cut said material to size but it doesn’t even necessarily need to be exact dimensions or completely full. The important thing is really just to make sure there’s not repetitive stress on each pallet bending inwards during play. Silicone and putty likely won’t provide enough long term stability. I’ve made a 27 a 28 before, stapled butt cap, no issues.
 

Raizu

Rookie
What exactly is the intrigue with Head releasing the djoker frame? The population that could play with it is less than 1% of the tennis world, even less on this forum. There’s no market outside of forum members asking for this racquet to be released. It’s a pointless campaign but you can die trying to get it mass produced. You have a better shot at winning the lotto!
 

Raizu

Rookie
I've actually tried this a few times, and eventually the pallet cracks.

My last attempt involved gluing a 1/2" length of a wood dowel provided by Pacific for extending their frames (similar in that the pallets came 'uncut'). It wasn't an exact match to the hairpin, but I filled in the space w/ some silicone. Attached the butt cap, and hit the courts.

It played great for ~ 3 sets, and then I felt the butt cap come lose. When I unwrapped the grip, I noticed that the pallet had cracked in the same location as my previous attempts (where I didn't glue & backfill space w/ silicone).

I'm sure there is someone here who has successfully done it, and I'd like to hear how they did it as I'm tired of ordering pallets from overseas and having them crack on me. There are some nice Head frames I'd like to try, but at 5' 9", I need that extra length on the serve.
Try the XTP buttcap. It’s not perfect but I’ve got them on 4 custom racquets I made for myself plus 3 for other players and they have worked fantastic. All tournament players and I myself a coach and still playing at the National/Futures level.
 

McLovin

Legend
Try the XTP buttcap. It’s not perfect but I’ve got them on 4 custom racquets I made for myself plus 3 for other players and they have worked fantastic. All tournament players and I myself a coach and still playing at the National/Futures level.
I've tried the XTP Butt Cap. The biggest issue is the ridge between where the butt cap ends and the handle begins. I've tried going down a size in grip size for the racquet (e.g. getting a 4 1/4 hairpin) and building it up w/ overwrap so there is no ridge. But unfortunately, this adds way too much weight, and makes it 20pts HL (I'm being facetious here, but you get the idea).

The only way this works for me is if I buy the lighter version of a frame (e.g., 280g) so I have room to work with. But not all frames have lighter versions (Extreme Tour comes to mind), so I'm screwed there.

Then there's the issue of the butt cap shape itself. The edges are very sharp and irritate my palm. I found this out the hard way with Wilson when I bought a few of these:



and should have bought these:

 

Raizu

Rookie
I've tried the XTP Butt Cap. The biggest issue is the ridge between where the butt cap ends and the handle begins. I've tried going down a size in grip size for the racquet (e.g. getting a 4 1/4 hairpin) and building it up w/ overwrap so there is no ridge. But unfortunately, this adds way too much weight, and makes it 20pts HL (I'm being facetious here, but you get the idea).

The only way this works for me is if I buy the lighter version of a frame (e.g., 280g) so I have room to work with. But not all frames have lighter versions (Extreme Tour comes to mind), so I'm screwed there.

Then there's the issue of the butt cap shape itself. The edges are very sharp and irritate my palm. I found this out the hard way with Wilson when I bought a few of these:



and should have bought these:

Yea I know exactly what you are talking about. My frames were already setup like my old PS Stretch so adding the XTP buttcap was perfect. That ridge is a bit annoying and I may ask if they can make it a bit thinner for me as a test sample but I got used to it quickly. The Wilson buttcaps drive me insane. I love the bottom ones. The top one cuts into my callouses and causes blisters. I hate them.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
HEAD racquets are on pallets and don’t have buried weights. All HEaD racquets are on the TK82S pallets now. I haven’t tried extending it but I’m sure it’s very easy considering the hairpin is hollow.
Retail Head frames have the weights in the hairpin, no chance to remove them. But you can extend them easily to 27.5 only by pallets with minimal weight added.
Wilson frames have the weights in molded handle, can be removed by removing molded handle and installing Head pallets or other molded handle.
So retail have ‘buried‘ weights like Wilson or not? I’m asking as I’ve had three racquets professionally extended to 28” in Melbourne, and while the two Prince extensions were apparently relatively simple - FYI Tour 98 ESP is ultimately too flexible at that length; TT95 is great as it was quite headlight (30.5 cm bp unstrung) before lengthening - my PS97 had to have the weight removed which was apparently quite problematic. (FYI PS97 for sale now on the bay; feel free to pm me if you can handle the sw.)
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
So retail have ‘buried‘ weights like Wilson or not? I’m asking as I’ve had three racquets professionally extended to 28” in Melbourne, and while the two Prince extensions were apparently relatively simple - FYI Tour 98 ESP is ultimately too flexible at that length; TT95 is great as it was quite headlight (30.5 cm bp unstrung) before lengthening - my PS97 had to have the weight removed which was apparently quite problematic. (FYI PS97 for sale now on the bay; feel free to pm me if you can handle the sw.)
The weight is in the carbon fiber hairpin and not buried in the foam pallet. HEAD racquets are on an interchangeable pallet system and there are no weights in the pallets
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
What exactly is the intrigue with Head releasing the djoker frame? The population that could play with it is less than 1% of the tennis world, even less on this forum. There’s no market outside of forum members asking for this racquet to be released. It’s a pointless campaign but you can die trying to get it mass produced. You have a better shot at winning the lotto!
Seems TW erased quite a bit of this discussion... so there's no point in putting it all up again.

I think the debate seems to rage around the word "actual" on this thread. Maybe TW gets upset because we mention racquets they don't or can't sell... so I won't.

I don't think Head will ever release Novak's actual racquet (meaning the exact strung finished specs, PT346.1 printed on the pin, exact RA, etc). But it would be nice if they released a retail version of his racquet, the same as the PT630 and PT 2.0 is not the actual Pro Stock racquet (Murray or any other Pros racquet - disregarding the 16x19 or 18x20 component), but a retail version.

Wilson did it, and many people enjoyed/are enjoying the racquet (both the RFA and the Blade version/Retail H22).

What percentage of people could use a Retail version of the Djoker frame... I don't know. But many people who bought or are still buying the RFA can't play properly with it, but they got the chance to try. Same with the Blade version. I could play with both. I didn't buy the RFA because it's too stiff for my liking, but I bought the Blade version and modified it further (now around 360g, 354SW, 315mm strung balance). I have no problem hitting with it for hours at a time.

We complained how Head didn't want to re-release the PT630 for many years. TW worked very hard and made possible the release of the PT 2.0. It's a wonderful racquet. Some will be able to play with it, and some won't, but isn't it great that Head released it and TW made it possible? The same goes for the Djoker frame.

There is nothing wrong with having a spread of racquets that covers different abilities. The same happens with many things in life. Look at the Olympics. In the Final of the Sports Climbing, they set a course that lots of people couldn't complete, but that's what distinguished the ones that could from the ones that couldn't and separated the field. Should that course never have been set? Porsche or Ferrari produces a car that most people can't drive "properly" to its absolute potential and abilities, yet people have a chance to buy it and drive it to the best of THEIR abilities (not Schumachers' or some racing drivers'). But the product is still available.

I guess that is the point for me... I can't speak for others.
 
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Raizu

Rookie
Seems TW erased quite a bit of this discussion... so there's no point in putting it all up again.

I think the debate seems to rage around the word "actual" on this thread. Maybe TW gets upset because we mention racquets they don't or can't sell... so I won't.

I don't think Head will ever release Novak's actual racquet (meaning the exact strung finished specs, PT346.1 printed on the pin, exact RA, etc). But it would be nice if they released a retail version of his racquet, the same as the PT630 and PT 2.0 is not the actual Pro Stock racquet (Murray or any other Pros racquet - disregarding the 16x19 or 18x20 component), but a retail version.

Wilson did it, and many people enjoyed/are enjoying the racquet (both the RFA and the Blade version/Retail H22).

What percentage of people could use a Retail version of the Djoker frame... I don't know. But many people who bought or are still buying the RFA can't play properly with it, but they got the chance to try. Same with the Blade version. I could play with both. I didn't buy the RFA because it's too stiff for my liking, but I bought the Blade version and modified it further (now around 360g, 354SW, 315mm strung balance). I have no problem hitting with it for hours at a time.

We complained how Head didn't want to re-release the PT630 for many years. TW worked very hard and made possible the release of the PT 2.0. It's a wonderful racquet. Some will be able to play with it, and some won't, but isn't it great that Head released it and TW made it possible? The same goes for the Djoker frame.

There is nothing wrong with having a spread of racquets that covers different abilities. The same happens with many things in life. Look at the Olympics. In the Final of the Sports Climbing, they set a course that lots of people couldn't complete, but that's what distinguished the ones that could from the ones that couldn't and separated the field. Should that course never have been set? Porsche or Ferrari produces a car that most people can't drive "properly" to its absolute potential and abilities, yet people have a chance to buy it and drive it to the best of THEIR abilities (not Schumachers' or some racing drivers'). But the product is still available.

I guess that is the point for me... I can't speak for others.
Part of the reason Head can’t and won’t ever sell the Djoker frame is he probably has an NDA agreement with them like he has with anyone he works with. If this is the case then the company’s hands are tied. I know for a fact he has NDA’s with his entire team. The details. I don’t know.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Part of the reason Head can’t and won’t ever sell the Djoker frame is he probably has an NDA agreement with them like he has with anyone he works with. If this is the case then the company’s hands are tied. I know for a fact he has NDA’s with his entire team. The details. I don’t know.
That makes sense. I'm in agreement with you that it will probably never happen. But I also think it's a shame.
 

Alexh22

Professional
Yes this is the most ridiculous part. Djokovic and Murray have a painjob contract with head. They are used to promote products head ask them to. head managed to ruin and discontinue classic radical and prestige lines. Sad so many people bought speed because of Djokovic but he never touched a speed.
 

Raizu

Rookie
Yes this is the most ridiculous part. Djokovic and Murray have a painjob contract with head. They are used to promote products head ask them to. head managed to ruin and discontinue classic radical and prestige lines. Sad so many people bought speed because of Djokovic but he never touched a speed.
That’s not ridiculous. It’s probably what they wanted at the time and plans changed. No one to blame but the situation at the time that caused a change in direction and the company made a decision. It’s not hurting anyone.
 

RobS

Rookie
The PJ's are certainly deceiving but if you try a Speed and like it, would you not buy it because Djoko doesn't actually play it? If you try a Speed and hate it, would you still buy it because you think Djoko plays it? It would be cool for the gear fanatics if they could buy the Djoko spec'd Speed PJ but that's such a niche market. Just because a pro doesn't play the current edition frame or the frame they "endorse" doesn't mean the frame is inferior. Once a pro finds a racquet they like, why would they change and abandon the precise feel they've calibrated over thousands of hours unless they felt like they needed some different performance characteristics. Almost all these pros were playing a current racquet in the manufacturers line (albeit customized) at some point in time. If you want to be like a pro, buy a current line racquet, customize as needed and play it for the next 10 or more years. In 5 to 10 years, some the junior playing the Speed 360+ right now will be playing the same frame under a paintjob when they make it on tour.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Yes this is the most ridiculous part. Djokovic and Murray have a painjob contract with head. They are used to promote products head ask them to. head managed to ruin and discontinue classic radical and prestige lines. Sad so many people bought speed because of Djokovic but he never touched a speed.
For a guy that has never hit with the 360+ Prestige MP or the 360+ Radical MP or Pro you certainly have strong opinions. How does that happen? How do you formulate opinions on racquets that you have never hit with?
 
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glenWs

Rookie
I respect the desire to have your favorite players’ racket and spec … I guess. Novak’s specs are not for about 99% of tennis players so I really don’t see why having his exact frame and spec is worthwhile. I love Rafa, but I certainly don’t think I can swing his stick, not do I want to.
 

dl32

New User
I’ve been playing with a PT113B in 1820 for the last month or so and I think it could be the best racket ever made.

My specs are not Novak’s. I’m 350/350/32.5 strung hybrid (gut/alu).

I think if Head sold uncustomized frames so someone could spec up, the frame would speak to many, even if a premium is charged. It’s just the best damn racket I’ve ever hit with among the more desired prostocks and older retail frames.

Novak’s actual specs are insane for most recreational players and I’m sure some pros as well, especially before the change to the PT346. That said these frames are special and it does give you an edge while being arm friendly.
 

Alexh22

Professional
I’ve been playing with a PT113B in 1820 for the last month or so and I think it could be the best racket ever made.

My specs are not Novak’s. I’m 350/350/32.5 strung hybrid (gut/alu).

I think if Head sold uncustomized frames so someone could spec up, the frame would speak to many, even if a premium is charged. It’s just the best damn racket I’ve ever hit with among the more desired prostocks and older retail frames.

Novak’s actual specs are insane for most recreational players and I’m sure some pros as well, especially before the change to the PT346. That said these frames are special and it does give you an edge while being arm friendly.
Exactly. There is a reason Djokovic stayed with this radical type of racquet rather than the speed. it is shameful head uses him to sell a new line he never touched rather giving consumers a chance to experience anything remotely close to the pt346 today. makes me wonder how hard it is to tell the truth ?
 

DavidBart

Rookie
I’ve been playing with a PT113B in 1820 for the last month or so and I think it could be the best racket ever made.

My specs are not Novak’s. I’m 350/350/32.5 strung hybrid (gut/alu).

I think if Head sold uncustomized frames so someone could spec up, the frame would speak to many, even if a premium is charged. It’s just the best damn racket I’ve ever hit with among the more desired prostocks and older retail frames.

Novak’s actual specs are insane for most recreational players and I’m sure some pros as well, especially before the change to the PT346. That said these frames are special and it does give you an edge while being arm friendly.
I've actually considered ponying up for one. Basically just to try it. Wondering, what do you normally play with or what was your racket up to this point?
I felt this way about the H22 and now have 3. They are all better than any retail stick I've tried, but they all are slightly different. So even among H22s I have my favorite.
 

dl32

New User
I've actually considered ponying up for one. Basically just to try it. Wondering, what do you normally play with or what was your racket up to this point?
I felt this way about the H22 and now have 3. They are all better than any retail stick I've tried, but they all are slightly different. So even among H22s I have my favorite.
Hi David,

I’m lucky as I have a pretty flexible budget for my hobbies so I own a few good things.

in order of progression, I was just guessing at what might work for me. When I picked up tennis again after a decade off (used to complete in my early days), below is the evolution:

2013 Aero Pro Drive > 2019 Puro Aero (hated) which is why my search began > Yonex V Core 97 (hated)> RF97 > H22 1619 Low RA > H19 1619 RA63 > PT57A 1820 > H22 1820 > PT57A 1619 and finally 113B2 1820 (almost identical to B1 just has some ceramic in hairpin if I recall correctly).

As you can see, this is all over the place. I have 1 handed backhand and my game actually improved significantly over my competition days in the last 3 years. I was really on a search for my perfect fit.

A few comments:

1. My 61RA H22 in 1820 is outstanding. I can do anything and everything with it offensively and defensively. My go to stick if I didn’t have a 113B. It’s just that good. Spin, power, precision net, serve…. No holes.

2. To me, the PT57A 1619 is fantastic and in third place. It’s a tight 1619 but does give me way more spin than the 1820 without losing precision. It’s less forgiving and requires better tennis all the time so it can get tiring.

3. I like the rest in some form or fashion except the 2019 Babolat/Yonex and I do like the RF97, but it’s just way too stiff.

4. Finally, the 113B is the H22 with respect to the capabilities but add to it feedback and this pocketing type feel on the stringbed you get with the PT57A. It’s also very arm friendly. I’ve learned, more from Yourube than my old coaches. Forehand racquet head lag…all I can say 4.5/5 guys I play with don’t understand how my game to took such a step forward while they stagnated. Fitness + YOUTUBE + 113B/H22

That’s really it. The 113B really is just a damn near perfect stick. It took me a little over a year to find 3 113B’s. Will eventually find a 346 in 1819 for fun but I’ve stopped looking for “that” perfect racket. What’s a really shocker is the 113B can generate a lot of spin for an 1820 and of course all the normal 1820 benefits are there like pinpoint precision and being able to flatten it out like it’s nobody’s business.

This has been my very expensive three year journey to realize that the 113B is just one of a kind. Takes so much good from so many different rackets and some how combines them into one.
 

DavidBart

Rookie
Exactly. There is a reason Djokovic stayed with this radical type of racquet rather than the speed. it is shameful head uses him to sell a new line he never touched rather giving consumers a chance to experience anything remotely close to the pt346 today. makes me wonder how hard it is to tell the truth ?
I never ran across anyone mentioning this and I don't know anyting about racket production... but I have this feeling there's something to the cost of production with these types of rackets. Even putting the obvious of Quality control aside
All the big companies are in the business of maximizing profit. I'm pretty sure they're in the business of cutting pennies, not dollars. don't think we can expect 346.1 or any pro stock quality racket at retail. If we did they might cost $1000. Curious what someone more knowledgeable on this thinks.
I have a Blade pro H22 replica basically. Not only is it off by 7g. Feels like mostly in the head. It doesn't even feel close to my H22.
Hi David,

I’m lucky as I have a pretty flexible budget for my hobbies so I own a few good things.

in order of progression, I was just guessing at what might work for me. When I picked up tennis again after a decade off (used to complete in my early days), below is the evolution:

2013 Aero Pro Drive > 2019 Puro Aero (hated) which is why my search began > Yonex V Core 97 (hated)> RF97 > H22 1619 Low RA > H19 1619 RA63 > PT57A 1820 > H22 1820 > PT57A 1619 and finally 113B2 1820 (almost identical to B1 just has some ceramic in hairpin if I recall correctly).

As you can see, this is all over the place. I have 1 handed backhand and my game actually improved significantly over my competition days in the last 3 years. I was really on a search for my perfect fit.

A few comments:

1. My 61RA H22 in 1820 is outstanding. I can do anything and everything with it offensively and defensively. My go to stick if I didn’t have a 113B. It’s just that good. Spin, power, precision net, serve…. No holes.

2. To me, the PT57A 1619 is fantastic and in third place. It’s a tight 1619 but does give me way more spin than the 1820 without losing precision. It’s less forgiving and requires better tennis all the time so it can get tiring.

3. I like the rest in some form or fashion except the 2019 Babolat/Yonex and I do like the RF97, but it’s just way too stiff.

4. Finally, the 113B is the H22 with respect to the capabilities but add to it feedback and this pocketing type feel on the stringbed you get with the PT57A. It’s also very arm friendly. I’ve learned, more from Yourube than my old coaches. Forehand racquet head lag…all I can say 4.5/5 guys I play with don’t understand how my game to took such a step forward while they stagnated. Fitness + YOUTUBE + 113B/H22

That’s really it. The 113B really is just a damn near perfect stick. It took me a little over a year to find 3 113B’s. Will eventually find a 346 in 1819 for fun but I’ve stopped looking for “that” perfect racket. What’s a really shocker is the 113B can generate a lot of spin for an 1820 and of course all the normal 1820 benefits are there like pinpoint precision and being able to flatten it out like it’s nobody’s business.

This has been my very expensive three year journey to realize that the 113B is just one of a kind. Takes so much good from so many different rackets and some how combines them into one.
That's funny. I relate to every other sentence there.... Also tried many of those sticks. Also learning more from YouTube than the few one-on-ones I did.
H22 was a game-changer. I just wasn't sure upwards of $1,000 was worth a play test. Plus I wasn't sure it would be up my alley but sounds like it might be.
I've been actually going lighter in weight and swing weight as my game has been improving. Just removing lead and recalibrating... I found it still difficult to fully whip around a racket with the proper rotation etc the heavier it is.
I do like to 1819 pattern though cuz I have a feeling it has just slightly more pop and spin while maintaining 1820 precision.
 

dl32

New User
In my opinion, H22 1820 and 113B 1820, it’s like comparing supercars. They will both go fast and handle well. One is just more refined than the other. You spend 250k on the Ferrari or 1B for the Bugatti. They will both get you there in style. The Bugatti is a step up in some regards.

I’ve played with the 113B with static and SW from 335/335 (before I customized one I received) and where I play today at 350/350. I can generate head speed so the extra weight translates well to the rackets dynamics.
 

Alexh22

Professional
How do you know I never demoed these ? I was a long time radical and prestige user and the new 360 plus did not meet my expectations. I don‘t and can’t use head racquets these days.
For a guy that has never hit with the 360+ Prestige MP or the 360+ Radical MP or Pro you certainly have strong opinions. How does that happen? How do you formulate opinions on racquets that you have never hit with?
 

Alexh22

Professional
in all honesty the blade pro H22s is much more playable than the blade 98. mine has a hefty sw and I hope they made it lighter and more HL. mass production racquets can still be very good. it is a matter of releasing the right Model. Wilson don’t put the H22s in retail , don’t know why, but at least they can be had from website. head knowingly refuse to release Djokovic’s racquet and nothing remotely close to his racquet is available to the public. That s a big opportunity they will miss as more and more ppl start to realize Djokovic never used a speed ever.
I never ran across anyone mentioning this and I don't know anyting about racket production... but I have this feeling there's something to the cost of production with these types of rackets. Even putting the obvious of Quality control aside
All the big companies are in the business of maximizing profit. I'm pretty sure they're in the business of cutting pennies, not dollars. don't think we can expect 346.1 or any pro stock quality racket at retail. If we did they might cost $1000. Curious what someone more knowledgeable on this thinks.
I have a Blade pro H22 replica basically. Not only is it off by 7g. Feels like mostly in the head. It doesn't even feel close to my H22.

That's funny. I relate to every other sentence there.... Also tried many of those sticks. Also learning more from YouTube than the few one-on-ones I did.
H22 was a game-changer. I just wasn't sure upwards of $1,000 was worth a play test. Plus I wasn't sure it would be up my alley but sounds like it might be.
I've been actually going lighter in weight and swing weight as my game has been improving. Just removing lead and recalibrating... I found it still difficult to fully whip around a racket with the proper rotation etc the heavier it is.
I do like to 1819 pattern though cuz I have a feeling it has just slightly more pop and spin while maintaining 1820 precision.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I just assumed that in this brave new world of devolving currency Bugatti was now sufficiently prestigious to be deserving of it's own unit; one 'B' for Bugatti had an original value of around $2 million Veyrons, (B/v) but will rise substantially with the introduction of Chirons (B/c).
After all, who doesn't have a yen for supercars, or want a peso one after dinar?
 

Raizu

Rookie
in all honesty the blade pro H22s is much more playable than the blade 98. mine has a hefty sw and I hope they made it lighter and more HL. mass production racquets can still be very good. it is a matter of releasing the right Model. Wilson don’t put the H22s in retail , don’t know why, but at least they can be had from website. head knowingly refuse to release Djokovic’s racquet and nothing remotely close to his racquet is available to the public. That s a big opportunity they will miss as more and more ppl start to realize Djokovic never used a speed ever.
Or maybe it’s not as big of an opportunity as you believe and the cost is not worth it. The public doesn’t care what he uses. Only the keyboard warriors like you…
 

n8dawg6

Legend
Hi David,

I’m lucky as I have a pretty flexible budget for my hobbies so I own a few good things.

in order of progression, I was just guessing at what might work for me. When I picked up tennis again after a decade off (used to complete in my early days), below is the evolution:

2013 Aero Pro Drive > 2019 Puro Aero (hated) which is why my search began > Yonex V Core 97 (hated)> RF97 > H22 1619 Low RA > H19 1619 RA63 > PT57A 1820 > H22 1820 > PT57A 1619 and finally 113B2 1820 (almost identical to B1 just has some ceramic in hairpin if I recall correctly).

As you can see, this is all over the place. I have 1 handed backhand and my game actually improved significantly over my competition days in the last 3 years. I was really on a search for my perfect fit.

A few comments:

1. My 61RA H22 in 1820 is outstanding. I can do anything and everything with it offensively and defensively. My go to stick if I didn’t have a 113B. It’s just that good. Spin, power, precision net, serve…. No holes.

2. To me, the PT57A 1619 is fantastic and in third place. It’s a tight 1619 but does give me way more spin than the 1820 without losing precision. It’s less forgiving and requires better tennis all the time so it can get tiring.

3. I like the rest in some form or fashion except the 2019 Babolat/Yonex and I do like the RF97, but it’s just way too stiff.

4. Finally, the 113B is the H22 with respect to the capabilities but add to it feedback and this pocketing type feel on the stringbed you get with the PT57A. It’s also very arm friendly. I’ve learned, more from Yourube than my old coaches. Forehand racquet head lag…all I can say 4.5/5 guys I play with don’t understand how my game to took such a step forward while they stagnated. Fitness + YOUTUBE + 113B/H22

That’s really it. The 113B really is just a damn near perfect stick. It took me a little over a year to find 3 113B’s. Will eventually find a 346 in 1819 for fun but I’ve stopped looking for “that” perfect racket. What’s a really shocker is the 113B can generate a lot of spin for an 1820 and of course all the normal 1820 benefits are there like pinpoint precision and being able to flatten it out like it’s nobody’s business.

This has been my very expensive three year journey to realize that the 113B is just one of a kind. Takes so much good from so many different rackets and some how combines them into one.
dang. now i want a 113B. but whats this about fitness??
 

jarko111

Hall of Fame
My feeling is we need to let them know by email phone or letter that we want the autographed exact spec. He deserves to get the same treatment that Roger, Rafa, Serena and Osaka have had
 

taylor15

Hall of Fame
What are you talking about? You can’t buy Rafa’s or Osaka’s racquets.
You mean you can’t buy retail..I bet if you had your agent reach out to rafa’s agent and offer a biiiig donation to the charity of his choice in exchange for a racquet then it could be arranged.with all the other crazy things I’ve seen in this thread I’m counting that.
 

dl32

New User
Hi Folks/Experts,

Would anyone know if HEAD GRAPHENE TOUCH PRESTIGE TOUR (18X19) #285187 grommets Fit on the 1819 PT346?
 
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