When will we get our first openly-gay male tennis player?

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Rabe87

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Do they say “hi my name is John, I’m straight!” to everyone they meet? No.
Clearly they're not doing it on the ATP tour either, otherwise there wouldn't be a need for a player to do just that, but there is. Kinda sad. Your argument has no merit.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Pretty sure Sharapova based her entire endorsements career around being a symbol of attraction for men aswell. Bouchard just takes it to another level because she's had more spare time.
 

VaporDude95

Banned
I also think that the perception of the LGBT community stops a lot of men coming out as gay.

The community is known for its flamboyance, parading around with d!ldos and semi-naked in front of children in the street, an abundance of drag queens and glitter, and supporting very far left political positions.

That would turn a lot of ordinary gay men off. The answer certainly isn’t just “homophobia”. It’s far from it.
 

Alba Barragan

Professional
I daresay there are ATP players that are 'known' to be gay (Richard Gasquet comes to mind) but haven't come out publicly. It's the coming out publicly part that is crucial here.
We can't start pointing out who is homosexual and who isn't just based on our personal perception, especially if we have nothing to prove it but rumors. If Richard is or isn't that's his business, not ours.

And even though I do agree with you that there are still risks when a player publicly declares himself as homosexual in sports in general, most of the tennis media don't handle it in the same way. So far, the players who have publicly accepted their homosexuality have been accepted by most fans and have been portrayed by the media as ambassadors of the LGBT community and as role models. At least on the part of the public, there's not much opposition.
 

Rabe87

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I also think that the perception of the LGBT community stops a lot of men coming out as gay.

The community is known for its flamboyance, parading around with d!ldos and semi-naked in front of children in the street, an abundance of drag queens and glitter, and supporting very far left political positions.

That would turn a lot of ordinary gay men off. The answer certainly isn’t just “homophobia”. It’s far from it.
"In front of children in the street" - don't use that old excuse. Please! Think of the children! C'mon, even in tennis, the men cover up and the women come out with their panties exposed under the skimpiest outfits, where are you condemning them in front of the dear children. Hypocrisy.
 

VaporDude95

Banned
"In front of children in the street" - don't use that old excuse. Please! Think of the children! C'mon, even in tennis, the men cover up and the women come out with their panties exposed under the skimpiest outfits, where are you condemning them in front of the dear children. Hypocrisy.
The men and women on the court aren’t wearing ass-less chaps and butt-plugs.

Come on m8
 

Rabe87

Professional
Oh well that’s another thing, there’s also been a push by sections of the LGBT community to include pedophilia in the “LGBTP” sequence.

So, especially in my experience, it’s the LGBT community now stopping, particularly young men, coming out as gay or bi.
Which sections can you name any particular person.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Please refer to Venus Williams' 2010 outfits particularly at RG, I haven't seen anything like that even at Mardi Gras. Those poor children.
 

VaporDude95

Banned
Please refer to Venus Williams' 2010 outfits particularly at RG, I haven't seen anything like that even at Mardi Gras. Those poor children.
There’s images all over the web of mardigras.

Drag queens, glitter, ass-less chaps, leather etc etc etc.

I’m sure there’s a large number of gays that have no desire to be associated with that.
 

Rabe87

Professional
It’s not a very big group that are pushing for it, but it’s sizeable enough to make an impact.
In other words you have no idea what you're actually referring to, just a slightly bigoted statement on an anonymous forum to gauge a reaction. It's predictable and stupid. But guess what, we're here and queer and whilst we're parading around you'll have your work cut out for you covering the eyes of all those children you're so passionately referring to who are seeing *holds breath* semi-naked bodies allegedly in the streets! This should be our number 1 priority on earth going forward. They don't have the internet or anything whereby far worse is an easier discovery. You should form your own political party or start a movement to have the 'P' removed from GLBTI, but wait, it's not there?
 

VaporDude95

Banned
In other words you have no idea what you're actually referring to, just a slightly bigoted statement on an anonymous forum to gauge a reaction. It's predictable and stupid. But guess what, we're here and queer and whilst we're parading around you'll have your work cut out for you covering the eyes of all those children you're so passionately referring to who are seeing *holds breath* semi-naked bodies allegedly in the streets! This should be our number 1 priority on earth going forward. They don't have the internet or anything whereby far worse is an easier discovery. You should form your own political party or start a movement to have the 'P' removed from GLBTI, but wait, it's not there?
This “we’re here and we’re queer” attitude from LGBT members, contributes to gay people not wanting to associate themselves with the community.

There’s numerous groups, such as nambla, that work very hard to try and normalise pedophilia. Unless I know more about your community than you do? Oops :rolleyes:
 

Rabe87

Professional
For the purpose of intellectualism overcoming drivel, I really think 2019 will be the year we get our first openly-gay ATP player, potentially coming out at the most gay-friendly Slam in blessed Australia ^_^
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm all for LGB equality and for everyone being comfortable with who they are, however I also agree with others here that what these gentlemen do (and what anyone does for that matter) in their own time, in the privacy of their own lives and homes, is none of my business.
 
Why does it matter

Reminds me of how some Americans voted for Hillary cause they thought they needed a woman president.
For real, nobody really cares or should care and in the context of anyone's sport it's irrelevant. Making an issue out of what's generally perceived as a non issue. Hypocritical too, the famous complain about privacy yet want to clue everyone in...
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Sexuality is indeed private, but the fact is that the continued legality of a lot of private behaviour is still being questioned and hence it is still a live public issue.

I'm all for LGB equality and for everyone being comfortable with who they are, however I also agree with others here that what these gentlemen do (and what anyone does for that matter) in their own time, in the privacy of their own lives and homes, is none of my business.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Sexuality is indeed private, but the fact is that the continued legality of a lot of private behaviour is still being questioned and hence it is still a live public issue.
I do think a large part of the reason why there are currently no openly gay male tennis players is indeed that it is still heavily frowned upon or even illegal in some parts of the world that host the ATP Tour, and thus it would likely affect sponsorships or even their ability to play on tour year-round.

I'm really just saying that I don't think it's a problem if LGB tennis players don't wish to come out, whatever their reason. As we've said, it's their business.
 

Matheson

Semi-Pro
I can see it now...

"He is so brave, playing tennis on the world stage, while being the first openly gay man on tour!"
"Truly revolutionary..."
"Agreed, the man is a pioneer."
 

Rabe87

Professional
I do think a large part of the reason why there are currently no openly gay male tennis players is indeed that it is still heavily frowned upon or even illegal in some parts of the world that host the ATP Tour, and thus it would likely affect sponsorships or even their ability to play on tour year-round.

I'm really just saying that I don't think it's a problem if LGB tennis players don't wish to come out, whatever their reason. As we've said, it's their business.
There's been issues surrounding that relating to Israeli and Middle-eastern players on the WTA circuit, remember Shahar Peer playing in Dubai in 2010? They had nets up to protect her from anyone who wanted to assassinate her and she had security in her Hotel. If a gay player comes out, it's only the fringe events they'll be unable to play in, if any.
 

Rosstour

Legend
Tongue in cheek here...

Tennis really isn't a gay man's sport. There's no teams, very little camaraderie, no traditional locker room atmosphere, no contact, and the players aren't particularly ripped. Rafa is the only player who has any gay appeal lol, our playing physique generally isn't sexy to other dudes...skinny chests and necks, asymmetrical arms. And we're not really fun. We're bad-tempered, stuffy, aloof, OCD, self-centered, and in many cases at least somewhat introverted. Those characteristics are way more appealing to women than to men. I think out of all the sports out there, tennis is probably one of the worst ones for a single gay guy lol.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Tongue in cheek here...

Tennis really isn't a gay man's sport. There's no teams, very little camaraderie, no traditional locker room atmosphere, no contact, and the players aren't particularly ripped. Rafa is the only player who has any gay appeal lol, our playing physique generally isn't sexy to other dudes...skinny chests and necks, asymmetrical arms. And we're not really fun. We're bad-tempered, stuffy, aloof, OCD, self-centered, and in many cases at least somewhat introverted. Those characteristics are way more appealing to women than to men. I think out of all the sports out there, tennis is probably one of the worst ones for a single gay guy lol.
I think it's not a gay man's sport because it's actually quite masculine. It's very similar to boxing in that respect, to become a great tennis player at any level you need to hit the weights but also do alot of cardio, alot of cross-training, it's also as you said very selfish and singular. Overall though, it's extremely hyper-masculine and I don't think it gets that sort of recognition. Look at the WTA tour, so many masculine-esque female players who Rennae Stubbs lovingly calls "jocks" - Stosur, Barty, Kanepi etc. It doesn't mean they're same-sex attracted per se, it just means they've embraced their masculine side.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Having said that the reason I got into tennis was Mary Pierce because she had awesome fashion sense, and then Venus Williams because she brought the power (which in itself is a masculine ideation), so it's the women who got me involved (and many gay male tennis players I know who all love watching the WTA) but they got me involved with their masculinity. Is this confusing?
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Tongue in cheek here...

Tennis really isn't a gay man's sport. There's no teams, very little camaraderie, no traditional locker room atmosphere, no contact, and the players aren't particularly ripped. Rafa is the only player who has any gay appeal lol, our playing physique generally isn't sexy to other dudes...skinny chests and necks, asymmetrical arms. And we're not really fun. We're bad-tempered, stuffy, aloof, OCD, self-centered, and in many cases at least somewhat introverted. Those characteristics are way more appealing to women than to men. I think out of all the sports out there, tennis is probably one of the worst ones for a single gay guy lol.
You think Rafa is the only guy with appeal? Lmao. As a gay male (oh look I just declared it and made it part of who I am which apparently is annoying according to some users), there’s a whole variety from Coric to Thiem (that ass), López, Farah, Zverev, DelPo, Dimitrov, Pouille(!), Verdasco and many more.
 

Rabe87

Professional
And I'll actually admit I have Kerber's Ao 2016 singlet cos it was awesome and I wear it at pennant and in tourneys because it's just an awesome singlet, the men's fashion isn't quite up to par in that department. Even the craftsmanship and stitching is just sub-par compared to the women's singlets, particularly from Adidas but I've got a few Nike ones too.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Yes. And we don’t want to sit through a year of commercials about what a wonderful gay tennis player someone is.
Yeah cause it’d be so ‘awful’ for young gay kids to have an idol to look up to instead of players like Stakhovsky and Dolgopolov saying it’s unnatural and wrong and that they’d disown their child if he were gay.

:rolleyes: Typical BS from one of the worst forumers on here.
 

Rabe87

Professional
You think Rafa is the only guy with appeal? Lmao. As a gay male (oh look I just declared it and made it part of who I am which apparently is annoying according to some users), there’s a whole variety from Coric to Thiem (that ass), López, Farah, Zverev, DelPo, Dimitrov, Pouille(!), Verdasco and many more.
I think Martin Klizan is gorgeous, and Fucsovics (so jealous Novak had an ice bath next to him) :p
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
I can see it now...

"He is so brave, playing tennis on the world stage, while being the first openly gay man on tour!"
"Truly revolutionary..."
"Agreed, the man is a pioneer."
People ridiculed Jackie Robinson when he played for the Dodgers. And yet, it was still historically significant then and is even moreso now.

Just because you think it's trivial doesn't make it so.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Yeah cause it’d be so ‘awful’ for young gay kids to have an idol to look up to instead of players like Stakhovsky and Dolgopolov saying it’s unnatural and wrong and that they’d disown their child if he were gay.

:rolleyes: Typical BS from one of the worst forumers on here.
Did Dolgopolov say that?! Wow, did not expect that from someone who's had an Australian coach before.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Yeah cause it’d be so ‘awful’ for young gay kids to have an idol to look up to instead of players like Stakhovsky and Dolgopolov saying it’s unnatural and wrong and that they’d disown their child if he were gay.

:rolleyes: Typical BS from one of the worst forumers on here.
Apparently children see gay men at Mardi Gras and thus gay men shouldn't be allowed to wear 'ass-chaps' at annual GLBTI festivals because kids could see, according to one conspicuous poster. But seeing Bouchard or Sharapova basically wear swimwear to the court is totally fine.
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
Yes. And we don’t want to sit through a year of commercials about what a wonderful gay tennis player someone is.
But how is one any more annoying than the other?

You said only gays feel compelled to exploit their sexuality. That is patently false.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Apparently children see gay men at Mardi Gras and thus gay men shouldn't be allowed to wear 'ass-chaps' at annual GLBTI festivals because kids could see, according to one conspicuous poster. But seeing Bouchard or Sharapova basically wear swimwear to the court is totally fine.
I’m a gay male and I’ve never seen Mardi Gras in person. Seen it on the news but they don’t show assless chaps and plugs. VP is just spurting his usual homophobic nonsense.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
(I posted this in a different thread)

If I were a journeyman like Millman for example, I'd toy with the idea of saying I'm gay (even if I wasn't), expressly for the publicity and the (hoped for) marketing deals that I'd never get being another straight journeyman tennis player. I'd find a "beard" to be my (supposed) gay lover and see what I could do with my unique status.

Thing I'd want to know first is, when I get found out (as I'm sure would happen at some point), would I be able to keep all the money I earned from endorsements? I guess I'd have to get a lawyer involved on the front end to make sure I would.

With all of the "gay" threads I see just on this site, there is certainly a segment of the population that is hungry for a gay tennis hero. I could be that guy.

Reporter: "r2473, what is it like being gay on the ATP tour"?

Me: "Everyone has been very supportive of my decision to come out. Especially Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray. Everybody has been wonderful. On the ATP tour, we believe in building bridges and being a leader in the LGBT movement. I hope to do everything I can to be both an ambassador for tennis and LGBT persons everywhere and encourage others to join us in our mission"

Reporter: That's wonderful r2473. You are a true inspiration and hero. So what are you going to do for the rest of the day? Practice tennis?

Me: Practice tennis? Why on earth would I bother doing that? No, I plan on spending the rest of the day shooting fish in a barrel.
Nice call. You’d become an INSTANT celebrity. Ridiculous endorsement money could ensue.
Tomic, are you listening?
 

VaporDude95

Banned
Yeah cause it’d be so ‘awful’ for young gay kids to have an idol to look up to instead of players like Stakhovsky and Dolgopolov saying it’s unnatural and wrong and that they’d disown their child if he were gay.

:rolleyes: Typical BS from one of the worst forumers on here.
One of the worst forumers here? Might wanna check yourself m8

Young gay kids have plenty of idols. Maybe if their parents were more accepting, they could look up to their mothers or fathers rather than worship a sports figure.

One of the problems with society is that people worship celebrities rather than finding themselves actual mentors.
 
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