Whenever Djokovic has won a Clay masters..

[LazyNinja19]

...he has gone on to reach the RG semi-finals, and lost.

2008- won Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2011- won Madrid & Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Federer
2013- won Monte carlo. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2014- won Rome. RG????

The only year Novak reached the RG final (2012), was the year where he didn't win any Clay Masters.

Just an interesting streak.

 

[ASH1485]

...he has gone on to reach the RG semi-finals, and lost.

2008- won Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2011- won Madrid & Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Federer
2013- won Monte carlo. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2014- won Rome. RG????

The only year Novak reached the RG final (2012), was the year where he didn't win any Clay Masters.

Just an interesting streak.

well that might not be the case any longer, i see him winning this RG

 

[LazyNinja19]

well that might not be the case any longer, i see him winning this RG

Of course, he appears to be in a strong form heading towards RG. But people have been saying this since 2011.

 

[Vensai]

Correlation does not indicate causation.

 

[tennis_pro]

Of course, he appears to be in a strong form heading towards RG. But people have been saying this since 2011.

And how would you know this since you registered 2 weeks ago? Djokovic was the TW favorite only in 2011, not in 2012/2013.

 

[Russeljones]

The reason people didn't win RG was because Nadal was playing. Nothing else matters.

 

[veroniquem]

He's lost to Nadal 5 times, that's the pattern really, it doesn't matter in what round and this year, it could only be in the final (last year was the de facto final anyway. You really think he would have lost to Ferrer? Lol)
That being said, he did have some unexpected upsets at RG, mainly in 2009 and 2010 (Kohl and Melzer).
In 2009, he arrived at RG exhausted (like Nadal) after 3 epic clay clashes with Rafa and 2010 was his worst clay season (well, his worst season overall)
That leaves Fed in 2011. Don't see Fed doing it again but maybe Murray or Wawa (Tsonga??). However, I think Djoko only losing to Nadal 5 times actually shows his consistency and quality of play at RG overall.

 

[m2nk2]

He's lost to Nadal 5 times, that's the pattern really, it doesn't matter in what round and this year, it could only be in the final (last year was the de facto final anyway. You really think he would have lost to Ferrer? Lol)
That being said, he did have some unexpected upsets at RG, mainly in 2009 and 2010 (Kohl and Melzer).
In 2009, he arrived at RG exhausted (like Nadal) after 3 epic clay clashes with Rafa and 2010 was his worst clay season (well, his worst season overall)
That leaves Fed in 2011. Don't see Fed doing it again but maybe Murray or Wawa (Tsonga??). However, I think Djoko only losing to Nadal 5 times actually shows his consistency and quality of play at RG overall.

I think Murray will only play the first week. Then he's going back to London to start playing on grass before anyone else. But Tsonga could cause some upsets. He did make it to SF last year after all.

And even if he's out of form he is getting better and better and this is in France too.

 

[Fiji]

...he has gone on to reach the RG semi-finals, and lost.

2008- won Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2011- won Madrid & Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Federer
2013- won Monte carlo. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2014- won Rome. RG????

The only year Novak reached the RG final (2012), was the year where he didn't win any Clay Masters.

Just an interesting streak.

Winning Rome is not a good omen for him, weird. another weird trend is that he lost in this order, in 2008 to the eventual winner, in 2011 to the eventual finalist, in 2013 to the eventual winner. At this rate this year he will lose in the SF to the eventual finalist... Who could that be? Wawrinka?

 

[Omega_7000]

Wishful thinking...

 

[LazyNinja19]

And how would you know this since you registered 2 weeks ago? Djokovic was the TW favorite only in 2011, not in 2012/2013.

I meant Tennis viewers in general, not TTW. The whole Tennis world doesn't just revolve around one internet forum.

Wishful thinking...

What wishful thinking?! I just provided the stats, which happen to follow an order.

 

[W.P. Mayhew]

I just provided the stats, which happen to follow an order.

You might have overlooked Vensai's post about that. Here's a website full of stats that follow an order.

 

[NADALRECORD]

It seems illogical to suggest Djokovic will win Roland Garros. He had the fortune of playing an exhausted Nadal (all but one of his matches went the full distance) in the Rome final and still the match got to 3-3 in the deciding set. I guess its possible Nadal will be exhausted at Roland Garros too, but I suspect Djokovic will struggle in the semis (Federer has been better than Djokovic so far this year in their 3 matches, and Wawrinka beat Djokovic on Djokovic's favorite slam surface), while I think Nadal won't have a problem with Federer or Wawrinka in the semis. Plus I don't believe Djokovic has self-belief at Roland Garros, at all (vs. Nadal) based on last year and every other year.

 

[tennis_pro]

I meant Tennis viewers in general, not TTW. The whole Tennis world doesn't just revolve around one internet forum.

What kind o tennis world are you talking about? Once again, there was a lot of hype in 2011, not so much in 2012/2013. There is some again this year.

 

[cc0509]

What kind o tennis world are you talking about? Once again, there was a lot of hype in 2011, not so much in 2012/2013. There is some again this year.

I don't think that is true. In 2013 didn't most people on TW erroneously believe that Djokovic would beat Nadal at RG because of his MC win over Nadal? I seem to recall that being the case.

 

[veroniquem]

I don't think that is true. In 2013 didn't most people on TW erroneously believe that Djokovic would beat Nadal at RG because of his MC win over Nadal? I seem to recall that being the case.

But you can't omit the fact that in 2013, Djoko completely botched his clay season between M-C and RG. There is a different vibe of Djoko peaking at the right time this year. Not a guarantee of course, especially since he lost so many sets in Rome but still a bit better than the situation he was in last year.

 

[cc0509]

But you can't omit the fact that in 2013, Djoko completely botched his clay season between M-C and RG. There is a different vibe of Djoko peaking at the right time this year. Not a guarantee of course, especially since he lost so many sets in Rome but still a bit better than the situation he was in last year.

Oh I totally agree there is a different vibe about Djokovic peaking at the right time this year. This is the first time in nine years that I have felt that Nadal "may" not win the FO. Last year despite all of the hype about Djokovic beating Nadal at the FO and going on to win the title, I personally never thought that would happen (people can check my posts.) But most of the extreme Nadal haters and even the more reasonable fans felt that Djokovic was going to win last year based on that one MC win from what I recall.

 

[jm1980]

...he has gone on to reach the RG semi-finals, and lost.

2008- won Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2011- won Madrid & Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Federer
2013- won Monte carlo. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2014- won Rome. RG????

The only year Novak reached the RG final (2012), was the year where he didn't win any Clay Masters.

Just an interesting streak.

How about 2009 and 2010 when he lost in R3 and QF? How about reaching SFs in 2007 when he won no clay masters?

There's no pattern here.

 

[JMR]

Winning Rome is not a good omen for him, weird.

I wouldn't call that an omen, mainly because there are no such things as omens. I don't believe it can be demonstrated that winning Rome has a direct negative impact on Djokovic's French Open prospects.

another weird trend is that he lost in this order, in 2008 to the eventual winner, in 2011 to the eventual finalist, in 2013 to the eventual winner.

That's not a trend.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Also, in the years that Djokovic has been a pro player he's tended to play tennis matches as well.

 

[Sid_Vicious]

Here's a website full of stats that follow an order.

Thanks for that link. :lol: :lol: good stuff

 

[booson]

Tennis fans, making up 'patterns' since the beginning of the Open Era.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Yeh, but also Djokovic making up tennis shots when he plays in the tennis matches to try and affect the result usually in his favour, and that's a big error and mistake because he's lighting too many fires, which will make Berdych too excited, who will oust Djokovic in the 1/4s before humbly ceding to warrior. This is a pattern and a trend.

 

[The Green Mile]

.....says someone who posted that Parera will sweep the clay season like a boss...

ahuahhuahuhauhauhauaaaaaaa

Now praying for Nole to lose in SF

Ahuhuahahahahahahahhaahhaa

S C A R E D much?

You might as well pray for all pigeons to lose in the 1st round!

It didnt sound like praying to me, just an interesting stat that follows a pattern, like so many other stats...

 

[The Green Mile]

His pray of "I will sweep the clay court season like a boss" did not get answered, did it?


ahahahahahahahahah

Ok, its not that funny...

 

[booson]

Yeh, but also Djokovic making up tennis shots when he plays in the tennis matches to try and affect the result usually in his favour, and that's a big error and mistake because he's lighting too many fires, which will make Berdych too excited, who will oust Djokovic in the 1/4s before humbly ceding to warrior. This is a pattern and a trend.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[agreed]

Don't you know? each time he loses to fake fedalias, he destroys them in 4 consecutive tournaments.

 

[LazyNinja19]

How about 2009 and 2010 when he lost in R3 and QF? How about reaching SFs in 2007 when he won no clay masters?

There's no pattern here.

You failed to understand the premise. I'm talking about those years, when Novak won a Clay masters, and then how he performed subsequently at RG.

It didnt sound like praying to me, just an interesting stat that follows a pattern, like so many other stats...

Yes, thank you.
Lol at people attacking me, when I wrote in the OP itself, that it's just an "interesting streak".
I was just looking at how Novak had performed in the previous years when he had won a Clay masters going into RG, and found it interesting that every time he lost in the semifinals.

 

[adil1972]

there should be roof on center court of all grand slams/ATP tournaments

 

[LazyNinja19]

Also, in the years that Djokovic has been a pro player he's tended to play tennis matches as well.

Yeh, but also Djokovic making up tennis shots when he plays in the tennis matches to try and affect the result usually in his favour, and that's a big error and mistake because he's lighting too many fires, which will make Berdych too excited, who will oust Djokovic in the 1/4s before humbly ceding to warrior. This is a pattern and a trend.

Trying too hard to be funny, and derailing the thread.

Still this thread is much better than these geniuses no? :lol:

Bernard Tomic to become a Clay Court Specialist

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=493203

''I hope to see you next year.'' ''Bye bye.''
Interesting words from the Fedster during the awards ceremony.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=8198216#post8198216

Federer has saved Nadal's legacy essentially...

 

[W.P. Mayhew]

Lol at people attacking me, when I wrote in the OP itself, that it's just an "interesting streak".
I was just looking at how Novak had performed in the previous years when he had won a Clay masters going into RG, and found it interesting that every time he lost in the semifinals.

I don't think people are attacking you -- at least I know I'm not. Some of us are just pointing out that these types of predictions based on previous results, even if they form some type of pattern, don't guarantee an outcome. A more telling "pattern", as others have said in another thread that I can't find right now, is that Djokovic might have peaked at the wrong time during the previous clay seasons and is generally more inconsistent during slams than he is during masters.

I mean, for some years, until last year, the guy who won Madrid also won Wimbledon.

And how can you diss a thread about CGOAT Tomic's return to his goatness form? Shame!

Thanks for that link. :lol: :lol: good stuff

For the amount of time I've spent on Youtube from videos you've shared I'd say I'm still in debt and that you're very welcome

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Honestly, I don't think it has anything to do with his pre-RG Masters titles. He lost three times to Nadal and once to Federer, nothing to be ashamed of.

Why I think this year would be different is because I saw Nadal being uber aggressive against Murray, when it mattered, and the way he demolished Dimitrov. But, in the final, he didn't play that way against Djokovic and it's all about his lack of confidence.

 

[Tony48]

If he loses to Federer again, I WILL break something. lol

Hopefully Fed will be on Nadal's side

 

[Chico]

Wishful thinking...

Indeed. There is a nice phrase for it: grasping at straws.

 

[jm1980]

If he loses to Federer again, I WILL break something. lol

Hopefully Fed will be on Nadal's side

Nah, he needs to be on Novak's side. I want Novak to even that H2H, and there's no chance Fed will beat him in a best-of-five if he's healthy.

 

[6-3 6-0]

Nah, he needs to be on Novak's side. I want Novak to even that H2H, and there's no chance Fed will beat him in a best-of-five if he's healthy.

Well, what you said might be true but what if RFederer end up having a great day (like in 2011) against NDjokovic again? Will you eat your own words?

 

[Boom-Boom]

You might have overlooked Vensai's post about that. Here's a website full of stats that follow an order.

Great link to support this thread, thanks !!

 

[NADALRECORD]

Its cool how Nadal won Madrid and didn't win the other clay masters this year. Because Nadal has only won Madrid 4 times, so hopefully he can keep winning Madrid each year (and not win the other masters events) so he ends up having won each masters event an equal number of times. Whereas Roland Garros he should win a few more times than the masters events obviously.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Trying too hard to be funny, and derailing the thread.

Still this thread is much better than these geniuses no? :lol:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=493203


http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=8198216#post8198216

Not quite, though I'm not sure why you'd feel the need to go to lengths to find threads from other posters. Those are great threads though, thanks for reminding me of my own genius.

Djokovic is going to soon use his racket again to win points at RG in order to create a trend of winning tennis points.

 

[jm1980]

Well, what you said might be true but what if RFederer end up having a great day (like in 2011) against NDjokovic again? Will you eat your own words?

Sure. I doubt it will happen though. Most likely it will be a straight sets win for Nole like the 2012 semi.

 

[sliceroni]

History has shown that even in this stage of his career Fed has a 50/50 chance against Djokovic even if Djokovic is on a hot streak. Unlike against Nadal on clay where he basically has no chance.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

History has shown that even in this stage of his career Fed has a 50/50 chance against Djokovic even if Djokovic is on a hot streak. Unlike against Nadal on clay where he basically has no chance.

Is it 50/50 over best of 5 though, or anywhere? Isn't Fed's record against Nole over the last few years well in the favour of Nole?

 

[sliceroni]

Since 2012 they've met 10 times with Djokovic winning 6 of them so I was a little off. They split the last four 5 set matches. I still think Djokovic is considered to be the favorite but with those numbers I wouldn't say "Heavy" favorite. Federer leads 2-1 with his new racquet and coach. But I don't care who you are a 2nd set of twins can and will have an affect on you.

 

[bullfan]

...he has gone on to reach the RG semi-finals, and lost.

2008- won Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2011- won Madrid & Rome. Lost in RG Semi-final to Federer
2013- won Monte carlo. Lost in RG Semi-final to Nadal
2014- won Rome. RG????

The only year Novak reached the RG final (2012), was the year where he didn't win any Clay Masters.

Just an interesting streak.

Fed doesn't care this year.

 

[mellowyellow]

How about 2009 and 2010 when he lost in R3 and QF? How about reaching SFs in 2007 when he won no clay masters?

There's no pattern here.

Their is a pattern....

 

[LazyNinja19]

Can Gulby validate this thread?

 

[Fedal4Ever]

This definitely makes me sleep better at night.

 

[underground]

Can Gulby validate this thread?

Not after you jinxed it. :lol:

 

[uliks]

The curse is finally broken

 

[helterskelter]

The curse is finally broken

It was never a curse, just a coincidence.