Whenever I see Djokovic play...

[Ledigs]

I wonder how he ever loses. He is so intimidating on court, and he gets to everything and hits a great serve and winners all over the place. I haven't watched many matches of him losing, so tell me, when he loses what makes him lose? Does he get passed by winners? Does he make unforced errors? I just am surprised he ever loses judging by watching his skills and movement on court.

The opposite is true for Nadal sometimes (and he is my favorite player). While this year, I saw him in really good form, and I could see how he wins, in prior years, I had trouble seeing why he was won so much. He doesn't look flawless on court, and he seems to be more stressed and lose in big points. However, the stats will tell you differently. How does he win when he wins? Is he making a lot of winners? I saw him at the US Open this year and he looked almost flawless to me in person. I had never seen him look that good in the last 8 years. I think he has a huge intimidation factor in just his name and winnings but watching him isn't always giving me the right clues as to how he wins.

Thoughts on Djokovic and why he hasn't won as much as his tennis look would indicate?

 

[TheAssassin]

Thoughts on Djokovic and why he hasn't won as much as his tennis look would indicate?

Underperformed in too many finals IMO.

When he is at his best, you have to play as clean as he does and be super aggressive throughout the majority of the match. Great serve is also just as huge.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Thoughts on Djokovic and why he hasn't won as much as his tennis look would indicate?

He's an ATG with 12 majors and 5 WTF's. It's hard to argue that he "should have" won more since he's not as great of a player as Federer and was denied a number of slams at the FO because of Rafa. He's still one of the greatest players in the history of the game, quite obviously.

He wasn't a great player until 2011 and you're neglecting to mention his lack of physical fitness and tendency to retire in matches for the first 5 years of his career. He was also mentally weak in MANY matches before 2011 and would just give up, literally. Any player who has retired in 3/4 majors because of "heat" or "fatigue" isn't the God you're describing.

I also think you overrate Djoker's "intimidation" factor on court. In person, he's not nearly as intimidating on court as Nadal, Pete or even someone like Isner. Admittedly, I've only seen Djoker at IW and Cincy and never in his "shirt ripping off" mode at the AO. But his presence on court is mild mannered and not fierce in most matches.

Your description of Djoker is from 2011 and 2015, when he really was unbeatable and got every ball back. But there's a lot of periods where he plays like a mere mortal.

 

[Mainad]

I wonder how he ever loses. He is so intimidating on court, and he gets to everything and hits a great serve and winners all over the place. I haven't watched many matches of him losing, so tell me, when he loses what makes him lose? Does he get passed by winners? Does he make unforced errors? I just am surprised he ever loses judging by watching his skills and movement on court.

The opposite is true for Nadal sometimes (and he is my favorite player). While this year, I saw him in really good form, and I could see how he wins, in prior years, I had trouble seeing why he was won so much. He doesn't look flawless on court, and he seems to be more stressed and lose in big points. However, the stats will tell you differently. How does he win when he wins? Is he making a lot of winners? I saw him at the US Open this year and he looked almost flawless to me in person. I had never seen him look that good in the last 8 years. I think he has a huge intimidation factor in just his name and winnings but watching him isn't always giving me the right clues as to how he wins.

Thoughts on Djokovic and why he hasn't won as much as his tennis look would indicate?

Well, he's won enough: 68 titles including 12 GSs, 5 WTFs and 30 Masters! How much more do you expect him to win???

 

[KingKyrgios]

Well, he's won enough: 68 titles including 12 GSs, 5 WTFs and 30 Masters! How much more do you expect him to win???

Losing all of 2012 USO & 2013 Wimbledon & USO & 2015 RG is a gross underachievement for him.

Def should have had more than 12 right now

 

[K-H]

When he's at his best he does look unbeatable. But then again I feel the same about Federer and Nadal.

 

[Waspsting]

... (Djokovic) gets to everything and hits a great serve and winners all over the place. I haven't watched many matches of him losing, so tell me, when he loses what makes him lose? Does he get passed by winners? Does he make unforced errors? I just am surprised he ever loses judging by watching his skills and movement on court.

Few things to notice when Prime Djokovic (2011 - mid 2016) has lost

- Serve being returned comfortably/ not winning a lot of cheap points with serve

- Getting serve-botted by a hot, big server (can't get by-play on return)

Though versatile, primarily he's passive of style from the baseline. ... just amazing consistency with those gunshot groundstrokes. The focus is on hitting one more ball than the other guy... he hits up and down, mostly down the middle of the court

He's lost a few to Roger Federer, who can open up the court with sharp angles and orchestrate a winner/forced error situation ... more often, Federer's made errors going for the angels or gotten creamed playing Djokovic's down-the-center rallying game

Nadal on clay in this period is the only one to come up on top more often than not... on clay, Nadal probably even more consistent with the groundstrokes than Djoko and Nadal defence > Djoko offence

Wawrinka has been a dangerous opponent first because he's not scared of Djokovic like most. Technically, he has the ability to blast past Djokovic's favourite way of controlling the court with the crosscourt backhand (it's risky to control it with the forehand as many players have the ability to blast their way through)

Murray has to have an exceptionally good day to topple Djoko, who basically does everything - serve, return, forehand, backhand, defence, movement, mental strength - just a bit better than Andy

How does (Nadal) win when he wins? Is he making a lot of winners?

No

The emphasis is on not making errors while making it awkward for the other guy

Short answer - use crosscort forehand to breakdown right handers backhands ... and resist right handers forehand attacks with rock solid backhand (the last part is often overlooked and under-appreciated)

 

[ChaelAZ]

I haven't watched many matches of him losing...

Easy answer, there are plenty of his losing matches online you can watch and you will see the opponents are better on those days.

 

[Noelan]

He's an ATG with 12 majors and 5 WTF's. It's hard to argue that he "should have" won more since he's not as great of a player as Federer and was denied a number of slams at the FO because of Rafa. He's still one of the greatest players in the history of the game, quite obviously.

He wasn't a great player until 2011 and you're neglecting to mention his lack of physical fitness and tendency to retire in matches for the first 5 years of his career. He was also mentally weak in MANY matches before 2011 and would just give up, literally. Any player who has retired in 3/4 majors because of "heat" or "fatigue" isn't the God you're describing.

I also think you overrate Djoker's "intimidation" factor on court. In person, he's not nearly as intimidating on court as Nadal, Pete or even someone like Isner. Admittedly, I've only seen Djoker at IW and Cincy and never in his "shirt ripping off" mode at the AO. But his presence on court is mild mannered and not fierce in most matches.

Your description of Djoker is from 2011 and 2015, when he really was unbeatable and got every ball back. But there's a lot of periods where he plays like a mere mortal.

When expert all things Djokovic included, from his game , physical presence, look, hair , private life ( from tabloids), decides to teach tennis fans about him , everything she says it must be true.
Someone who labeling 18 yo as great player next multislam winner just said that Djokovic wasn't great player until 2011
One is sure he " intimidated" you for life dear BeatlesFan

OP none can't win it all, nor there is perfect player.
Btw congrats on USO title

 

[Jon Snow]

Thoughts on Djokovic and why he hasn't won as much as his tennis look would indicate?

Man...these double digit slam winning numbers we've seen lately has really made people think anything below 10 is worthless if a 12 time champion hasn't "won as much" lol

Are we really getting into that stage?

 

[EdMcMush]

I personally think at peak Djokovic is better than at peak nadal and federer. but thats just my opionon

 

[hawk eye]

I personally think at peak Djokovic is better than at peak nadal and federer. but thats just my opionon

In Ultron mode, you might have a case. But for over a year now, he looked more like the Tin Man from Oz.