Where are we on court speed at AO20?

Always ends up being a debate, so I thought I would start it off. Looks decently fast and the bounce seems a bit low. Good for Fed?

What are your thoughts? Like the change? Not a huge difference?

Edit: After a few more games, seems a little bit faster and a little bit lower than USO, but neither fast nor low.



 
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Jonesy

Professional
Fed should be second favorite, unfortunately his run ends in the best case scenario at SF.
 
Decently fast? I would call it medium/slow with a medium bounce.

It is definitely neither fast, nor low.
Yep, watched only a few games of Shapo and it seemed decently fast and relatively low at first, but I think it was wishful thinking. Still not as bad as USO though...
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
Feels exactly like USO, honestly. Just with the different camera angle. But it’s just my early impression.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
It looks slower than ATP Cup and definitely slower than last year. I don't know why Tiley is always messing with the courts there. It was fine the way it was.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Indeed. It had the most points won at the net in a Grand Slam final since Wimbledon 2020. Even more than Djokovic-Federer's Wimbledon match, which had many more points.
And Nadal won more net points than Medvedev too.
Of course. If you're going to live and die by stats rather than actual tennis, best to get them right.
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
It looks slower than ATP Cup and definitely slower than last year. I don't know why Tiley is always messing with the courts there. It was fine the way it was.
Hard to compare it to USO because of the different camera angle, but yes, definitely looks slower to me than ATP Cup, which had the same angle. Shapovalov has well above average serve and he’s not getting many free points with it today.

A hope for servebot-free tournament in the second week? :)
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Hard to compare it to USO because of the different camera angle, but yes, definitely looks slower to me than ATP Cup, which had the same angle. Shapovalov has well above average serve and he’s not getting many free points with it today.
Shapo was bombing ace after ace against Djokovic at ATP Cup so you know the speed is slower by looking at how his serve is not doing much damage so far here to a much worse returner.
 
Hard to compare it to USO because of the different camera angle, but yes, definitely looks slower to me than ATP Cup, which had the same angle. Shapovalov has well above average serve and he’s not getting many free points with it today.

A hope for servebot-free tournament in the second week?:)
Shapo has a lot of spin and he it does not seem to be a very high bounce, maybe not low, but sure as heck not high.
 
Not really. It helps the younger guys actually and means Djokovic will have to work harder. They should have kept it med fast like the previous few years. I really hate how this tournament director is continuously messing with the courts there.
But no one can defend like him. I see no way he loses as there is not a single guy that can hit him off the court, and the guys like Med that can make him work will have to out Novak Novak.
 

Amritia

Professional
Shapo has a lot of spin and he it does not seem to be a very high bounce, maybe not low, but sure as heck not high.
Does he? He can also hit it very flat.
As I said, let's wait till Djokovic to get a better understanding.

Federer is not such a good barometer, because his style is such that it's hard to tell. For example, when he was playing Nagal last year in R1, I thought the surface was very low bouncing, but that turned out not to be the case.
Nadal is the perfect player to analyse speed and bounce, because you can literally observe how far his topspin forehand gets up onto opponenet's backhand.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
But no one can defend like him. I see no way he loses as there is not a single guy that can hit him off the court, and the guys like Med that can make him work will have to out Novak Novak.
Medvedev is very close being able to defend like him right now though. I haven't seen Rod Laver yet but Court arena looks pretty slow.
 
Does he? He can also hit it very flat.
As I said, let's wait till Djokovic to get a better understanding.

Federer is not such a good barometer, because his style is such that it's hard to tell. For example, when he was playing Nagal last year in R1, I thought the surface was very low bouncing, but that turned out not to be the case.
Nadal is the perfect player to analyse speed and bounce, because you can literally observe how far his topspin forehand gets up onto opponenet's backhand.
Shapo can flatten it out at times, but he largely hits a similar ball to Thiem.
 
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