Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by TheFifthSet, Jan 2, 2010.
OCD is the side effects of them stroids
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Like Nam Ranger said, Nadal does not exhibit anxiety when his tics gets disturbed and there are no behaviors reported outside of the tennis courts. What Nadal does are habits. The bottle lining is weird but tolerable. His butt picking is gross and he is bringing it up to another level of disgust. After picking his butt, he starts fiddling with his clothes and hair but at some point he "SMELLS" his fingers after he picked his butt and he seems to hide it with all the other things that he does. What the hell does he expect? He is on international TV and he thinks people don't see it? That's not OCD since the usually the rituals of OCD are done to make sure things are clean. Nadal's habits are just plain gross. And all of these things are adding to his delaying of time which is being tolerated for the moment mostly. OCD or habits, that's up for debate. It's definitely disgusting , that's for sure.
Wtf is wrong with you?
Ok, it's either you're blind or you find that behavior normal.
For some reasons the youtube link will not work so go to youtube and type in Rafa's butt picking, where you can see him do a pick and sniff. Go see "wtf" I am talking about.
So what are compulsions without obsessions called? Because that is what I have and it appears Nadal has it too.
I'm no Doctor but maybe he just has habits? Maybe his first big tournament he would make sure the labels on the Water are facing out. (maybe he had a water endorsement, lol) And possibly he won the tournament and maybe thought it was good luck? I mean whatever he has been doing has worked out at tournaments (lol, well he got rolled at RG this year).
Superstition =/= OCD
Those are habits or minor nervous ticks at best.They follow no particular pattern and like it was mentioned here he's able to control them when told to do so without any problems to his game.He dosent pick his butt off-court.
hahaha lol . . . what an intricate mind we have here.
It's not habit. I am compelled to do them. They are "nervous" tics which implies that they reduce anxiety. For Nadal the same I'm sure
nervous tic is not in any way OCD and no,Nadal isnt 'compelled' to do it.If he can reduce it and it dosent bother him during play then its NOT OCD.
Until you see a specialist and get a proper diagnosis we will for the mean time call it Wingnutism.
I do think Nadal exhibits OCD. Not just his preshot stuff, but the way he places his water bottles, his towels, where his bag goes etc. Havent you noticed he does the exact same thing with an old racket when he replaces it with a new one. He does this the same way every time.
And to say it doesn't bother him to change up some after a violation isn't fair. You don't know that. Only he can tell you that.
Its pretty cut and dry that Nadal shows signs of mild OCD.
This isn't really a bad thing, there is no reason to defend him against someone saying this. I am a big fan of his. But, after watching him over and over again, it is obvious he is OCD.
On-court rituals are not OCD.Period.If he exhibits sypmtoms off-court then there's a chance.So far,he hasnt.Atleast we havent heard of any.
And,its the Nadal fans who use 'OCD' to defend or excuse his time-wasting.
Also if a violation/warning dosent normally affect his game,it means he isnt bothered much.For further insight into OCD please read a few pages of the thread.
Mandy yes we have heard of him doing this stuff off court as well. Say it over and over and you'll still be wrong. You have no idea whether it bothers him to stop doing these things.
Even those with mild OCD find it extremely difficult to curb their habits. Nadal immediately breaks his routine when the umpire tells him to stop. That's not a typical OCD thing.
No you havent otherwise you'd have brought up some solid evidence.
And I've never never seen him 'bothered' by his rituals otherwise he wouldnt be standing here with 6 slams.
I have a very close friend that has OCD. I have quite a lot of experience with it. Your comment, "on court rituals are not OCD" has no more relevance than my claims that they are.
Claiming a violation doesn't bother his game doesn't disqualify his behavior from being OCD. You, or I, have no idea to what extent it does bother him if any.
I make no excuses about his time wasting whether they be OCD or otherwise. I am just saying, if you have any experience with OCD, if you have sat and spoken with a Doctor on this topic much, and you watch how he goes about things on court, at his chair, then its a very easy conclusion to draw.
Yes, he breaks some of his on court things after a violatin. But, he goes back to it rather quickly. Also, without some intense evalutation we have no idea the degrees of his compulsion with his water bottles vs his picking at his clothing etc. In other words, it is quite possible that there are other things that are more compulsive than what is mentioned here. Also, if you know much about OCD, you would realize that there are levels of this condition and it is often a combination of things that are working together to makes the symptoms apparent to you and I. Taking one or two of his compulsions away (temporary) may not be that big a deal to him.
Unless you have your own definition of OCD you cant call out those who say Nadal dosent have it.
OCD is a serious psychological condition and even a minor onset can be highly disturbing for the patient.
And yes,I have an idea of what OCD is because I studied psychology.Besides various people having OCD have described their experiences with it here itself and even a minor OCD dosent come close to Nadal's rituals on court-which are either gamesmanship or just help him to focus better or they are nervous tics/superstitions.Those are the categories his on-court behaviour would fall into
I repeat-Unless we have evidence of Nadal performing such acts off-court Nadal fans have absolutely no basis to claim that he has OCD and hand that out as an excuse for his time-wasting.
And IF ( thats a big IF) he has OCD then we havent heard of any reports of him seeking help and believe me getting help is important.
Again,even a minor OCD dosent just spring up during match-play.It would be evident in his daily life and it would require him to seek help.Again its the Nadal fans who claimed he has it and did so without a shred of evidence.People are obviously going to contradict this given the absence of evidence.
OK ok Nadal has OCD= Obsessively Creating Delays...
What's does Nadal's OCD acronym mean to you?
Obsessively Creating Disruption of the opponent's rhythm/momentum
Obessive Compulsive Disprespect of the opponent's time :lol:
You obviously know very little about OCD. This is apparent.
I didn't say anything about his OCD springing up during match play. As far as evidence, his behavior speaks for itself. It is you who cannot recognize this for what it is.
OCD can be a disabling condition. It also can be mild. It is only when the OCD is such that it begins to effect a persons well being that there is a need for help of some kind. Many people exhibits OCD behaviors and are quite functional. Others OCD is sever enough that help is required. Your claim that it (OCD) would be evident in his daily life requiring him to seek help is evident that you have no idea about OCD.
Ok..It seems you have your own definition of it and will even contradict those who've actually had it and spoken about it here and have stated that they dont believe Nadal has it.
Whatever.I'm not going waste my time arguing with Nadal fanatics who'll refute /twist facts to support their arguments.
Show me the official evidence of Nadal having it .Until then,I stand by what I said.
I'm not a Nadal fanatic. Neither have I commented on his time wasting and how it might relate to OCD nor have I twisted fact or refuted anything. Nothing I have said would contradict someone who has OCD and how OCD might effect them vs. Nadals behavior.
You stated that OCD is a seriouse condition. It can be, but is not in many cases. In fact many people exhibit these behaviors. This is my point! Nadals behaviors are very OCD like and its not a stretch by anymeans to say he is OCD.
Don't accuse me of twisting anything. I have been clear on this.
I said before,I'll say it again-Even a minor form of OCD can be disturbing for the patient.And no you havent been clear on anything.Again READ this thread properly..
What Nadal does on court does NOT define his 'behaviour' .Again,those are mostly habits/superstitions which he finds hard to get rid off completely.But he can curb them and it dosent affect his game at all.Do you see him suddenly going down in a match or something?
Finding someone's behaviour 'OCD-like' dosent immediately account for OCD.Especially if its someone you dont know personally.
Even a minor form of OCD needs to be treated.Period.Its a psychological disorder and cannot go untreated.
Now answer this-Do you know how Nadal behaves off court?Are these rituals seen off court? If not how can you classify his behaviour as OCD just based on what you see on court?
Again,a player's ritual does NOT qualify for OCD.Some players do need to follow certain patterns of rituals to get 'in the zone' during a match.That way they focus better.
Unless you elaborate on specific patterns that you think he follows on and off court there's no point saying he has OCD.For eg- doing things like switching the lights on and off repeatedly.Even minor form of OCD HAS to be visible off court.
Now go read the thread again.
And if you still want to disagree and keep insisting that he has 'mild OCD' just by seeing him on court then I have nothing more to say.
edit-You are a Nadal fanatic by your own admission on a previous page.And I have no interest in folks like you coming up with half-baked knowledge and telling me 'mild OCD' needs no attention.
Just please don't anyone post any clinical or whatever other evidence that Nadal has OCD. Apart from the fact that it's completely irrelevant, there'd be at least two "OCD, where can I get it?" threads every week...followed by "How can I become narcissistic?" posted by Fed fans.
Folks like me huh?
I did NOT claim to be a Nadal fanatic. You are not being honest.
Yes, as a matter of fact many people have OCD, and their behaviors are NOT severe enough to require "attention". Again, you are clueless and dishonest.
You call his behaviors habits/superstitions. Well, step counting, excessive hand washing etc can be a habit as well. And I have been clear on what I have said. You have tried to twist what I have said. You are a piece of work!
Didnt you say you were a big fan of his just a couple of pages back?
And the fact that you need to call me clueless/piece of work inspite of providing no sensible argument yourself nor answering my question is good enough to tell me you're a fanatic of the highest order.
I call Nadal's ON-COURT behaviour as habits/superstitions.If the behaviour is translated off-court then there 'could' be some truth to the theory otherwise NO.
And any form of OCD needs attention.Period.Otherwise it is not OCD in the first place.It has to be formally diagnosed and treated for it be called OCD.
Anyway,I'm done with this back and forth since it looks like you've already made up your mind and wont listen to anyone .Even those who have had it and have stated that they dont believe Nadal has it.
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