Where do most ATP players break strings?

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  1. J011yroger

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    Dead center?

    Asking for a friend.

    I know it's rare in matches now and most are likely to be shanks but there have to be a lot from practice.

    Can we get pics?

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    Interesting. Wonder why?

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    Funny I’ve been watching the crap out of Indian Wells and I thought to myself, how is it that these players don’t break strings more often???
     
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    Because they switch racquets every couple games.
     
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    Explain Mannarino. Lol
     
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    More racquet head speed toward the top of the frame. Produces more pace and more spin.

    In your thread don't worry about people saying pros always aim for the dead centre of the stringbed. If this was the case they would break centre more often and Federer would also have have his string savers centred on his frame. They may hit centre for conservative rallying but look at where they hit the power from.

    You can also watch Nadals slow motion on the link below and watch .25 speed when he strikes, obviously aiming for a spot higher on the string bed on the second 2, he had to move rather than just rallying from stand still.

     
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  8. 1HBHfanatic

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    He Is a pusher, just blocks everything back, no extra pace of his own, just blocks it back,,, (less stress on his string),
    not dizzing the guy, thats just how he playes, makes $ doing it that way, and saves more $$ playing like that and not restring as often..
     
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    Come on jo11y, EVERYONE knows the answer...
     
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    Not everyone, apparently.

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    Its clear most break them at the top. But the Aussies are doing it differently, and as water goes the wrong way down there, they are breaking strings at the bottom



    Silly Aussies
     
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    I would hypothesize that most of Pat's string wear was from his kick serve, which makes sense.

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    In table tennis, we're taught to try to hit higher up in the paddle because there's more angular velocity there. I guess you can't hit at the very tip because you wouldn't be able to strike it cleanly...
     
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    Dunno, but what I do know is, EVEN IN PRACTICE, Federer literally SHREDS his strings on MULTIPLE racquets. THANKS!!
     
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    Great thread ;)
     
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  16. Dartagnan64

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    Interesting that pros break their strings exactly where I do most of the time. Of course it takes me 15-20 hrs to break them whereas they break them in an hour.

    And if they break them in the same spot as I do and I'm not trying to do anything but hit the ball on the string bed sweetspot, I doubt you can say pros aim for the ball to hit that spot. I just think that location is an inherent weak point for topspin strokes.
     
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  17. Hmgraphite1

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    Framed plenty of aces off the upper hoop though wicked spin.
     
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    Also how about...
    How often do they smash a racquet?
    Have to go the bathroom?
    Take a phone call?
    Break there shoe laces?
    Break a sweat?
    Have a chill?
    Wish they could have a hard drink?
    Have a do over / mulligan?
     
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    Somebody posted a picture of fed after practice with two broken stringjobs, I can't find it.

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    2nd post in this thread i think
     
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    No, he was sitting with two frames with broken strings after practice.

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    That would be exactly correct, they are not aiming for the top of the frame. Most high level players are focused on movement, seeing the ball well and hitting the ball clean.
     
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  24. USPTARF97

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    Most of the wear on Rogers strings in that video are below the sixth cross string where you see the string savers. Start trying to focus on hitting the balls at the very top of the frame and see how it goes.
     
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    Interesting that the cross string broke - I would think the Nat Gut would break first? Isn't the poly theoretically sawing through the Nat Gut?
     
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    I and my buddies are no good. We tend to break our strings in 'the middle' of the string bed. Of course we are not that high a level with lower RHS; but still, those breaks are in an area I would call shanks.
     
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    Imagine serves coming at you north of 135 mph and ground strokes 90+ miles an hour going away from you. These guys can help but hit off the end of the racquet at times. This doesn’t mean that ideally they wouldnt prefer to be hitting the ball clean out of the center of the frame. When you see recreational players generating allot of RHS the same thing happens but many times it can be a technical flaw, bad positioning on the ball, etc causing it. They hit off the end of the racquet sometimes with basic rally balls coming down the middle of the court.
    Used to have upper level juniors hit for 15-20 min or so with wooden racquets when they would start framing balls. They would go back to their frames and be hitting the ball unbelievable clean.
     
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    Nah gut is tougher than people give it credit for. It tears through poly mains faster than full poly and occasionally a cross will break with gut mains but usually it's the main that goes.

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    There is more r in the upper hoop
    Pretty sure I saw it in the tw learning center that hitting in the upper hoop generates the fastest ball due to the highest velocity point of racquet, the sweet spot is the power zone but travels slower always but creates minimum vibration. The Nadal video shows he hit fh in upper hoop, bh in sweet spot. Seen Fed videos that show he hits fh in area below center for racquet on side, helps catch the ball.
     
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  30. 1HBHfanatic

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    Is that because their from "down undaa" :D
     
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  31. USPTARF97

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    That Nadal video show that the more solid balls he hit there are hit closer to the middle 1/3 of the racquet. Go back and look at the frame wobble when the balls are hit close to the top of the frame on his forehand. Watch how solid it is off the forehand when the ball is hit closer to the middle third. Some crazy spin could be hit of the top of the frame for angles and hooking the ball in down the line but the majority of solid balls are hit closer to the center. News flash, not many of us are going to hit angles like Nadal or hook balls around the net post.
    Maybe it is just me but when I hit balls toward the top of my frame serving or off the ground my racquet feels like an absolute tuning fork on my arm with the vibration and I do not hit the ball with more pace.
    We probably should forget about comparing ourselves to the best players in the world and talk about the reality of our own games.
     
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    The frame won't wobble if you hit the ball on the throat either, that doesn't make it a good idea.

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    +1 ... hit near the tip with TE. There is no other location, including framing it that hurts more. I think it's that "recoil stuff".
     
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    Thats where high swing weight is arm friendly. It invariably creates a higher recoil weight
     
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    Because they mostly hold the racquet one way and and are brushing up on the ball to impart topspin.
     
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    That’s not realistic but it’s easy to see, by the most casual observer, the stability when the ball is hit just a few inches lower on the racquet face.
     
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    If you grip the racquet lightly then the wobble do not bother you. Fed does this all the time. I used to arm the ball and it knocked out my fillings. I always try crazy angles especially in clinics hope to get a net post but most courts have side nets in way. I'll try using sweet spot more with ball machine in spring and see if it buys me anything, but on the serve I like the extra 7 in using top of hoop as i'm only 5'10.
     
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    Hitting crazy spins is fun but do you know why Federer is playing so much better, other than the footwork on his backhand and taking the ball earlier? Have seen computer analysis that by in large off of both sides he is hitting with less spin and less trajectory over the net and driving the ball flatter, deeper and through the court. Has one of the healthiest arms on tour at 37.
    Meanwhile back at the ranch, Nadal broke his wrist with his style of play and full poly setup. If people are looking to emulate Nadal I hope they have good insurance. Longevity in tennis has always been my goal because I love playing so much.
    Can something be learned from these two guys, their style of play, and their equipment?
    Possibly..
     
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    This is the type of deep dive into tennis science you can do from the couch (hear that Ian from Essential Tennis? :cool:).

    My guess would be strings move more outside of the center, particularly on racquets with tight center main patterns. Even the pros are hitting in the center and OTHERS :D ... and I suspect at pro swing speeds, those OTHERS (not talking about shanks) are more vulnerable. They rotate after 7 games right ... so string breaking in the pros must be more about a single trauma rather than wear pattern. With most rec players, it probably is all about wear pattern (other than shanks, I have never broke a string that way). I have always broke strings (eventually) at the same location ... approx 4th main, 5th cross. When I watch on video, I hit from center to toward top edge and toward tip (never lower edge, never toward throat). I think it's the topspin fh hitting outside of the center that does the fatal notching over time. I suspect if I played with a 18 x 20, and only hit the center, I would never break a string. :p

    There you go ... ATP science theory ... and weak rec player RHS eventual string breaking theory. Where else are you going to get this type of valuable input for your game?
     
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    Good point I've also been hitting a lot flatter lately and always try to use sweet spot for these shots. Fh dlt approach . So I guess use both techniques. Wasn't aware Fed w a s copying me. :>)
     
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    Link to the computer analysis?

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    Jim Courier broadcast it during the Australian Open where Federer beat Nadal. Showed what was different about Federer now as opposed the previous years where Nadal had the upper hand in allot of their matches.
     
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    Sounds legit.

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    First ... how cool has it been to see Fed at this age actually get better with a stroke (BH). Really unbelievable when you consider the thin margins of winning or losing at that rarefied air level. My guess is everything followed (footwork, bh height, etc) a decision "I will now mostly bag the slice because I'm older and the percentages of the extra mobility to cover the points with slice has changed". I just marvel how he turned that switch at his age ... no matter how good he is. I actually think he may have the best percentage bh on tour right now. Anyone would want Wawrinka point ending pace ... but hard to say Fed's BH isn't the best on tour right now. Obviously subjective ...
     
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    I've noticed some forehand analysis videos for Fed say pros try to hit a little lower on the racquet (to the 9/3 side) on a forehand. I never understood that part...
     
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    One of the best posts of the year!!! Pay attention ... :)
     
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  47. Hmgraphite1

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    Well I think it helps give top spin to the ball. wHen I hit in the upper 9 3 The ball sails if I'm trying to top spin it. I've seen this happen to pros on the replays.
     
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