Where does Djokovic rank all time on grass?

Xavier G

Professional
Novak's a good grass court player.
4 Wimbledons is a mighty fine total.

As a grass court player and taking everything into account, Fed, Sampras, Borg, McEnroe and Becker are ahead of Novak imo and he's probably on a par with Connors and Edberg.

Achievements Slam wise, he's ahead of some of those, but I feel peak Mac with 5 straight Wimbledon finals and Becker with 7 Wimbledon finals are still ahead and a little better as grass court players.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
Lolololol
What's so funny? They've got as many majors on grass as each other, Connors has more finals, he's won grass court majors in 3 different places, and he's got 9 grass court titles compared to 5. If he didn't have to deal with guys like Newcombe and McEnroe who the surface catered so massively towards he might have a couple more. They're both such similar, baseline first, backhand lead players, and that Connors accomplished as much as he did on grass the way it used to play is a pretty remarkable thing. He beat McEnroe at Wimbledon when it was something close to impossible, he'd die to be playing Wimbledon on this **** they do now. Djokovic just defended his way to the Wimbledon title, I laugh at the idea he's one of the genuine all time greats.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
What's so funny? They've got as many majors on grass as each other, Connors has more finals, he's won grass court majors in 3 different places, and he's got 9 grass court titles compared to 5. If he didn't have to deal with guys like Newcombe and McEnroe who the surface catered so massively towards he might have a couple more. They're both such similar, baseline first, backhand lead players, and that Connors accomplished as much as he did on grass the way it used to play is a pretty remarkable thing. He beat McEnroe at Wimbledon when it was something close to impossible, he'd die to be playing Wimbledon on this **** they do now. Djokovic just defended his way to the Wimbledon title, I laugh at the idea he's one of the genuine all time greats.
Not just no, HEEEEEEEELLLLLLL NO

And lol at “defending his way” do you even watch these matches? Ffs
 

Zhilady

Professional
What's so funny? They've got as many majors on grass as each other
That's kind of like saying Federer has almost twice as many Majors as Rod Laver.

I laugh at the idea he's one of the genuine all time greats.
I guess you're going to be spending a good part of the next 50 years laughing then.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
Not just no, HEEEEEEEELLLLLLL NO

And lol at “defending his way” do you even watch these matches? Ffs
Yeah, do you? He did next to nothing for the first two sets today, just sat back and let Anderson implode. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but to suggest it makes him one of the absolute best grass court players ever is a laugh. He's got a very good serve that has helped him a long way, but that's about the only part of his game that genuinely makes me think he'd do well on grass any time any where. Would he be so able to neutralize these big servers bombs on a grass court where the ball doesn't kick up a metre in the air?
 

GabeT

Legend
There are less and less grass tournaments so hard to compare.

How many more Wimbledon’s can Nole win? I think at least one.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
He's behind Edberg and Connors when he has double the Wimbledon titles? LMAO.
Edberg won 2 Australian Opens on the grass of Kooyong that played like Wimbledon today, and 2 Wimbledon's on the grass of old. Shows a lot more grass greatness to me. Connors too won grass court majors all over the place on grass courts that didn't cater so massively to his game. Don't let context stand in the way of your count.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Yeah, do you? He did next to nothing for the first two sets today, just sat back and let Anderson implode. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but to suggest it makes him one of the absolute best grass court players ever is a laugh. He's got a very good serve that has helped him a long way, but that's about the only part of his game that genuinely makes me think he'd do well on grass any time any where. Would he be so able to neutralize these big servers bombs on a grass court where the ball doesn't kick up a metre in the air?
There’s no arguing with blindness. We literally just had 3 straight days where Novak bombed pinpoint serves, dictated with his FH and BH, bit 70ish winners against Rafa and neutralized Anderson’s massive serve but still biased idiots spew nonsense. It is what it is. Djoker won, have a seat
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
What's so funny? They've got as many majors on grass as each other, Connors has more finals, he's won grass court majors in 3 different places, and he's got 9 grass court titles compared to 5. If he didn't have to deal with guys like Newcombe and McEnroe who the surface catered so massively towards he might have a couple more. They're both such similar, baseline first, backhand lead players, and that Connors accomplished as much as he did on grass the way it used to play is a pretty remarkable thing. He beat McEnroe at Wimbledon when it was something close to impossible, he'd die to be playing Wimbledon on this **** they do now. Djokovic just defended his way to the Wimbledon title, I laugh at the idea he's one of the genuine all time greats.
Cry more ;)
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Edberg won 2 Australian Opens on the grass of Kooyong that played like Wimbledon today, and 2 Wimbledon's on the grass of old. Shows a lot more grass greatness to me. Connors too won grass court majors all over the place on grass courts that didn't cater so massively to his game. Don't let context stand in the way of your count.
Edberg did win two AO titles on grass but 2 AO titles + 2 Wimbledon titles is not equal to 4 Wimbledon titles. Djokovic is greater since he won the most coveted trophy 4 times when Edberg did it twice. No one is going to rank Edberg over him when they look back over history.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Edberg did win two AO titles on grass but 2 AO titles + 2 Wimbledon titles is not equal to 4 Wimbledon titles. Djokovic is greater since he won the most coveted trophy 4 times when Edberg did it twice. No one is going to rank Edberg over him when they look back over history.
This too but I didn’t even bother arguing cause Edbergs a class act and was a great serve and volleyer worthy of respect. Connors is just trash

Love how he ignores the fact that Djoker woulda won more grass if AO was grass
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
There’s no arguing with blindness. We literally just had 3 straight days where Novak bombed pinpoint serves, dictated with his FH and BH, bit 70ish winners against Rafa and neutralized Anderson’s massive serve but still biased idiots spew nonsense. It is what it is. Piiss off
Damn, what a great argument.Yes, he bombed pinpoint serves, that was great. Dictated with his forehand and backhand? Are you kidding me? You're calling me blind? :D He was defending and defending like there was no tomorrow in that semi final. The dictating he did was minimal. Over 20 of his 70ish winners were the aforementioned aces, he was hardly slaying off the ground. And yes, he neutralized Anderson's serve, again, ball kicking up the way it does on todays grass makes that a lot easier than it was for someone like Agassi, or the aforementioned Connors (granted, the serves were not as big then). You calling other people biased. Nice one. Try acting like you weren't born yesterday. All I've said is he's in the bottom half of the ten greatest grass courters of the open era, and everyone's having a meltdown. Poor dears.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Damn, what a great argument.Yes, he bombed pinpoint serves, that was great. Dictated with his forehand and backhand? Are you kidding me? You're calling me blind? :D He was defending and defending like there was no tomorrow in that semi final. The dictating he did was minimal. Over 20 of his 70ish winners were the aforementioned aces, he was hardly slaying off the ground. And yes, he neutralized Anderson's serve, again, ball kicking up the way it does on todays grass makes that a lot easier than it was for someone like Agassi, or the aforementioned Connors (granted, the serves were not as big then). You calling other people biased. Nice one. Try acting like you weren't born yesterday. All I've said is he's in the bottom half of the ten greatest grass courters of the open era, and everyone's having a meltdown. Poor dears.
Lol no.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
God, I'm really not crying, nor salty, nor bitter. It's the day of the Wimbledon final and I'm talking tennis, god forbid.

If I had come in this thread, and said "YES! HE'S RIGHT BEHIND FEDERER, HE'S BEATEN HIM TWICE IN THE FINAL!" nobody would have taken issue with anything I said. Good stuff.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
What's so funny? They've got as many majors on grass as each other, Connors has more finals, he's won grass court majors in 3 different places, and he's got 9 grass court titles compared to 5. If he didn't have to deal with guys like Newcombe and McEnroe who the surface catered so massively towards he might have a couple more. They're both such similar, baseline first, backhand lead players, and that Connors accomplished as much as he did on grass the way it used to play is a pretty remarkable thing. He beat McEnroe at Wimbledon when it was something close to impossible, he'd die to be playing Wimbledon on this **** they do now. Djokovic just defended his way to the Wimbledon title, I laugh at the idea he's one of the genuine all time greats.
Edberg won 2 Australian Opens on the grass of Kooyong that played like Wimbledon today, and 2 Wimbledon's on the grass of old. Shows a lot more grass greatness to me. Connors too won grass court majors all over the place on grass courts that didn't cater so massively to his game. Don't let context stand in the way of your count.
You can't just add their wins in other grass court majors. Who's to say how many grass court majors Djoker would have if 3 out of 4 majors were played on grass today?
Not to mention the AO field in the early/mid '70s had questionable depth

At the very least you'd have to say Djokovic is massively more accomplished than Edberg and Connors at Wimbledon
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
Edberg did win two AO titles on grass but 2 AO titles + 2 Wimbledon titles is not equal to 4 Wimbledon titles. Djokovic is greater since he won the most coveted trophy 4 times when Edberg did it twice. No one is going to rank Edberg over him when they look back over history.
I don't know what to say, that's a very simplistic way of thinking :p
 
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