Where does Edberg rank if the Australian Open stays on Kooyong grass until at least 1993?

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IMO, Edberg's game was ideally suited to the Kooyong grass. It was still a grass court, and so it worked well with his net rushing, serve & volley game. But Edberg also had a great return of serve, and the higher bounce on the grass down under gave him an advantage against bigger servers and allowed him to get more balls in play. In 1985, 19 year-old Edberg slipped by Lendl in the SF and then straight setted two time defending champion Wilander in the final. There was no AO in 1986 as the event shifted to January, with Edberg defending his title in 1987 by beating Cash in a five set final months before Pat would win Wimbledon in dominant fashion. By way of contrast, at least early in his career, Becker's game was much better suited to the lower bounces of carpet and Wimbledon grass, with the German performing poorly down under, losing in the QF/2R/4R in 1984/1985/1987.

Then, in 1988, the switch was made to Melbourne and Rebound Ace, with Edberg performing admirably but always coming up just short due to a combination of injuries and opponents whose games were better suited to the new surface: 1988: 5 set loss to Wilander in the SF; 1989: w/drew w/ injury before QF against Muster; 1990: w/drew w/injury in the final against Lendl when it looked like he'd win; 1991: lost a 5 set SF against Lendl after having match points in set #4; 1992: 4 set loss to Courier in the final; 1993: 4 set loss to Courier in the final.

So, what happens if the Australian Open stays on Kooyong grass for six more years? In 1988, does Edberg take down Wilander in the SF and beat Cash in the final? In 1991, does he beat Lendl in the SF and win another grass Major final against Becker? In 1992 and 1993, does he turn the tables on Courier and beat him because the surface is grass, rather than Rebound Ace?

And then, there are the injury years. Edberg never had to withdraw from Wimbledon, playing every year from 1983-1986. Do Edberg's ab and back injuries still occur if he's playing on grass rather than Rebound Ace, a surface notorious for the damage it did to player's bodies? In this event, it's tough to speculate whether he would have won in 1989, but everyone knows how well Edberg was playing in 1990. On grass, would he have finished the job against Lendl in 1990?

If Edberg wins in 1988, he rises to 7 Majors while Wilander drops to 6 Majors. In this event, he's probably clear of the three player grouping he finds himself in with Becker and Wilander. Similarly, if Edberg wins in 1991, he clearly above his biggest rival Becker in the record books.

Does Edberg nab an additional two titles during this six year stretch? If so, he's at 8 Majors and in the grouping with Courier, Agassi, and Lendl. If one of these new wins is over Lendl in 1990 (or 1989), Lendl drops down to seven Majors and Edberg has a solid case for being ahead of him in the record books, especially if Edberg picks up the 1992 AO title, which would likely give him three straight years at #1 from 1990-1992.

Or does Edberg actually win 3+ titles during this 6 year stretch, taking him to 9+ Majors for his career? In this case, would he have been seen as only behind his countryman Borg at the time among players who began their careers in the Open Era?

Anyway, this is all total speculation, and we'll never know the answer. But sometimes speculation can be fun. So, what do you think? How many of this extra AOs does Edberg win? And what does it mean for his career?
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yeah basically he could have won it any year from 88-93, probably wins most of them aside from maybe Becker in 89, 90 or 93 (following strong year-end performances), but you'd have to favour Stef in a Becker-Edberg final
 
That plays into another aspect of this hypothetical: if AO stayed at that stadium, does it ever rise in prestige as it did and not devalue these extra majors Stefan grabs? Maybe he could get to 9 this way, but no one was looking at Kooyong AOs the way we normally think of Slams. Perhaps he does, but we still don't think of him in the way "nine-time major winner" sounds.
 
The thing is he should have won the Australian Open in 90 and 91 on the court there was, but he got injured in 90 which prevents him from winning in 90 even on grass, and in 91 he choked trying to close out the semis. 92 and 93 it is hard to see Courier winning on grass (although 93 is possible I guess, he did beat Edberg at Wimbledon) but it isn't for certain Edberg now does either.
 
I'm not sure that it would have made that much difference. Edberg seemed a bit cursed in the Flinders Park era (1988 onwards), i.e. destined not to win there, and not because of the surface.

1988: Loses a close 5-setter to Wilander in the semi final
1989: Beats Cash in the fourth round very impressively, but injures his back, forcing him to pull out of the scheduled quarter final against Muster
1990: Injures a stomach muscle twice, first in the last game of the semi final win over Wilander, and then early in the final against Lendl. The injury slowly got worse over the course of the final, and Edberg retired during the third set
1991: Is 1 point away from beating Lendl in 4 sets in the semi final, and ends up losing in 5 sets
1992: Loses in 4 sets to Courier in the final
1993: Loses in 4 sets to Courier in the final again, with the first 2 sets being a real beatdown
1994: Loses in 4 sets to Martin in the semi final, despite Edberg breaking Martin's serve 5 times, and Martin only breaking Edberg's serve 3 times.
1995: Loses in 5 sets to Krickstein in the fourth round, despite leading Krickstein 2 sets to 0.
 
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more edberg speculation...what if he developed a more mainstream, offense-minded fh? that stroke wasn't actually as bad as many made it out to be, could rally and particularly return quite well...but it wasn't developed to be a point-ending certerpiece around which his game was built.

a little less reliance on relentless s&v (flatten that serve now and again!) and more versatile offensive fh...and i think he could have gotten close to double digit major at least. he was an EXCEPTIONAL athlete, incredible mover, great hands of course...perfectly built for this sport.
 
more edberg speculation...what if he developed a more mainstream, offense-minded fh? that stroke wasn't actually as bad as many made it out to be, could rally and particularly return quite well...but it wasn't developed to be a point-ending certerpiece around which his game was built.

a little less reliance on relentless s&v (flatten that serve now and again!) and more versatile offensive fh...and i think he could have gotten close to double digit major at least. he was an EXCEPTIONAL athlete, incredible mover, great hands of course...perfectly built for this sport.
Like how Wilander created a one-handed slice backhand for himself? That became crucial to Wilander beating Lendl in the 1988 US Open final, along with more aggressive serve and volley play.
 
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