Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by kimbahpnam, Mar 17, 2009.
Japan. I have the '07 Mazda 3. Such a great, affordable car. Zoom zoom.
Yes, them, too.
The problem I see (as evidenced by this poll) is that Americans want to live in America but don't want to buy goods produced in America. Well, you can't have it both ways. That's the reason for the huge trade deficit, the devaluation of the U.S. dollar, the massive loss of jobs, and the crumbling of the U.S. economy. This is unsustainable. We're making other countries richer while we keep getting poorer. Eventually, we'll become a third world country that can't support ourselves. Just look at our massive national debt. Eventually, we have to pay the piper and it looks like it's happening now. An economy based on just moving money around can't last forever. The jig is up.
I totally agree with you on that!!
I always tell my wife, if you want a new car, thats fine, as long as it is Chrysler, Ford, or GM.
I feel the government would be better off giving every household a $10,000 voucher for a Ford , Chrysler, or GM vehicle. It would keep the jobs here, and the US economy going, and they would not need a bailout, more jobs would be created, and then more taxes so all would benifit.
Some people call that protectionism, but maybe it is time for that.
Too bad for this oversimplified theory is that these companies are multi-national. Better to purchase products from companies that make superior products that fit your needs. It's not like most car companies don't have very large North American operations that hire plenty of locals.
My guess is the members of the United Auto Workers aren't wearing clothing that was made in the US, not is their furniture manufactured here.
I think people tend to buy foreign cars because they're better.
I disagree that they're better but in any case, then why not go and live in a foreign country if they're better at making things?
Living here and sending all of your money to foreign countries can only last so long. Eventually, there will be nothing left here.
He said he specifically bought the Mazda 3 instead of the Mazda 6 because the 3 in made in Japan and the 6 is made in the U.S. It sounds to me like if the 6 was made in Japan and the 3 was made in the U.S., he would have bought the 6 instead. He cared more about avoiding a car made in the U.S. than he did about the size or model of the car.
Where can you find clothes made in the U.S.? I haven't seen any in any stores in a long time unless you're looking to buy expensive business suits, which I don't think most UAW workers need.
Some people do buy products made in China because it's cheaper than a comparable U.S. made product (not that there's many products still made in the U.S. anymore). But in the case of cars, most American cars are less expensive after all the discounts than comparable Japanese-made or German-made cars. Yet, many Americans rather spend more money on the foreign car even though they are similarly sized cars with similar functions, so it's not about saving money. Has anyone compared the costs of, not just the initial car purchase, but for parts and service between a GM car and a BMW? Most foreign cars are more expensive to keep on the road than American cars.
The companies may be multi national, but the $ of the US companies goes back to US companies, where you purchase even a Japanese car made in US, the $ goes back to Japan.
It seems that more and more that buy foreign autos, are putting another nail in the coffin of the US companies. If they go under, so do their suppliers, and so many other related jobs in the US it would effect every person in the US one way or another.If you feel that your 401K plan has diminished too much at present time, wait till the auto industry goes under.
As far as the clothing, it is very possible that there is no US facility producing them, and before long it will be the same way with the automobile!The US consumer has itself to blame now.
As far as dependability goes the US cars came a long ways. This is from todays headlines MSN News:
"For the first time in more than a decade, Lexus is no longer at the top of the J.D. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study, having been bested by both Buick and Jaguar."
Jaguar is Ford?
Your observations are correct: US made cars are cheaper than imports. So if they aren't selling well, the reason is...??? The reason is NOT that American citizens want to put the US auto workers out of a job. What's your understanding of why US made cars don't sell well?
As to US made clothing, it is there to be purchased if folks are willing to pay for it: http://www.allamericanclothing.com/
I'm waiting for the day when Chrysler can make a Camry or Chevrolet can make an Accord. It doesn't matter to me where it's made as long as it live a long healthy life
Yes, it's owned by Ford.
The reason is people think foreign cars are more prestigious and they have the pre-conceived notion that foreign cars are better than American cars which is false. I own an American car that I've had for 11 years and it's the most reliable car I have ever owned and that includes many imported cars. It's so much less expensive to own than when I had German and Japanese cars.
Not everyone wants to buy their clothes on the Internet. Most people prefer to buy their clothes at Wal-Mart, Target, or at their local mall because it's much more convenient and cheaper on sale, and they can try stuff on before buying. There are more American car dealers than there are foreign car dealers so people are going out of their way to buy foreign cars despite being less convenient and more expensive for them.
Jaguar operate as part of the Jaguar Land Rover group which is a part of Tata Motors now.
By the way, how do you all pronounce Jaguar?
Well it was and it was Ford that turned their quality around. In fact, their website still only mentions being owned by Ford: http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/_footer1/company.htm
Jaguar engines are used in Range Rover models.
That's just to make you lot feel better, Ford aren't mentioned on the UK site.
As in do you say Jag-yew-er/ar as it's mainly pronounced here in Blighty or Jagwah which is stupid.
Ronaldo (you in the UK, yes?):
You say pough-tah-toe and I say potato
You say Jag-euw-are and I say Jag-war
Ronaldo, Breakpoint: Ford owned Jaguar for many years; they outbid GM and some Japansese companies in the late '80's ('89?). Ford promised Jaguar to sustain some of the autonomy Jag enjoyed under British Leyland but Ford did address a number of problematic areas--to the eventual benefit of Jaguar. Say what you want about Ford, but they may've kept Jaguar from going under given the shape Jaguar was at the time of takeover. For example, after Ford took over Jaguar, their XJ-series sedan was suddenly able to go from one side of a parking lot to the other without a blinking "fuse" light coming on; in short, Jaguar's electronics were an absolute horror show. Ford's "Philco" audio division served to address this by serving, for starters, as a 'parts supplier' resource (note my 'supplier' comment above respective to the new owner--Tata).
I own both late model Range Rovers (and a Mercedes Benz) ...blah, blah, blah...who cares?.... and have a dear friend from "school/football days" who's the gen.mgr. for several Land Rover dealerships 'round these parts and he gives me some 'inside dope' as to what's going on with LR (he even 'comps' me "nitro" in my tires haha). Anyway, as quoted above, Tata Moters Ltd. of India bought JLR (Jaguar-Land Rover Group) within the past year.
Who knows; maybe some day prospective buyers'll walk by a Land Rover showroom window and remark: "nice Tatas"
I wouldn't be surprised that Jaguar was in a state when Ford took over, they were probably still in disarray after the British Leyland period.
Dedans, so deep in the rust belt you cannot sand-blast me outtahere. Just recalled the Lincoln LS and Jaguar were the same under differing bodies. Believe Ford and Volvo shared some internals on the Taurus X wagon. Sweet if Ford imported their EuroMondial/Focus.
I pronounce it with a slight 'r' sound at the end.
I think the easiest way to avoid it is to call it 'Jag'
British Leyland was even worse than the U.S. Auto industry if that was even possible.
The guys from TOP GEAR liked the Cadillac CTS-V, Dodge Challenger, and Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
Incase you can't view those links:
Good info, senor. Btw, where abouts in 'belt' are you, mi amigo?
Not only does Ford use the Volvo S80 platform for the Taurus x wagon Ford also uses the S80 platform for the Taurus sedan, Lincoln MK S, and Mercury Sable.
Ford also uses the second generation Focus platform for the Mazda 3 (2004-2009) and Volvo S40, V50, and C30.
Ford had a controlling interest in Mazda since the late 70's. In November 2008 Ford sold 20% of it's controlling interest in Mazda for $540 million. Ford still retains 13% of Mazda. Ford uses the Mazda 6 platform on the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan and Lincoln MK Z.
Ford is also shopping Volvo around in a effort to raise cash.
I think Ford has the best chance to turn things around. Ford should bring over to the U.S. the Mondeo, Second generation Focus especially in RS trim to compete with the hot Japanese front drive cars like the Lancer, Impreza, and Civic, and Ford should bring over the to the U.S. the Ford Fiesta.
OH YES, IT DOES!
The UK site also doesn't mention being owned by Tata.
Again, I don't disagree with your observations. I would add that the "notion" that US made cars are of poor quality didn't happen by accident. A lot of folks had a lot of bad outcomes buying them for quite some time, and many still do.
I also agree that there is more to buying clothes than the country of origin, say convenience, as you mentioned. In fact, that's my main point, there's more to making purchases than the country where the product was made, which brings us back to cars.
Germany (10 Char Min)
vsbabolat, thnks for all the info. Dedan, Toledo but not Spain
American cars have gotten much better in quality in the past decade or so. The notion that American cars are inferior in quality is outdated. But the kids who grew up with foreign cars when their parents had them now buy only foreign cars. They also think they are "cooler".
Again, like I said, it is more convenient (and cheaper) to buy American cars because they have many more dealerships everywhere but people would rather go out of their way to pay more for foreign cars. Go figure.
Yeah because I've never seen Top Gear or heard of Jeremy Clarkson before :roll:
I posted those links so other people could know and follow what I was talking about. So sorry you were offended it was not my intent.
Honda Jazz FTW!
Well, one thing that cars (in the US) and clothes have in common is that for many, if not most, a car is not just transportation and clothes aren't just to keep from freezing. Folks want to be "cooler". Go figure.
TBH it looked as if you'd directed the collection of videos towards me like i didn't know how toss the British Leyland period was, have a look at the Top Gear challenge relating to that.
I have seen it. I thought it was one of the best episodes of Top Gear I have seen.:lol: My favorite part was when the Dolomite Sprint could not pass the hand brake test and rolled all the way back down the hill. Or when the door falls off the SD1. It could not even get up the hill for the hand brake test.
But the U.S. for many years produced awful cars as well. Only now is the U.S. producing some competitive cars quality wise with it's rivals. GM's Buick Division tied with Jaguar in J.D. Power and Associates' latest vehicle dependability survey beating out Lexus for the top spots. I think that is great for the U.S. and British Auto Industries. It is a little ironic that Ford I think finally got it right with Jaguar and they no longer own it. The new XF is a great looking car.
Well, foreign cars are so common and generic these days, I think it's "cooler" to be different and drive an American car.
For the past 20 years my hubby and I have a number of Audis and we adore them.
Unfortunately I bought the last Audi from an Audi technician in Tucson and in a few months I come to find out it has 3 bad cylinders.
I had to grab something in a hurry as I paid a *lot* for that car and did not expect to buy another one for a couple of years. Got a Dodge RAM van and it is a work horse. Have an art gallery so it comes in handy but I drive a lot to tennis tournys and if I don't find something soon with better gas mileage I'll have to rob a bank, lol.
Dumb Q JonnyF, but how tall are you and how is it fitting in a Mini? what year?
Have american Company American made International.
Also, got a German engineered Mexican made VW Jetta.
Hey mate, I'm 6'6-6'7 and surprisingly fit in it fine! A lot of it's because I can get the seat right back and down...Slightly harder fitting in when I've to move it forward when I've got a mate in the back! It's one of the last batch of '06 ones I think.
Honda Civic. 2002.
The United States makes the best cars on the market.
Yep, they sure do!
my forester XT.
made in Japan.
Two from Germany.
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