Where the heck did this girl come from

sredna42

Hall of Fame
Is Emma natty?
She goes from having a panic attack at Wimbledon to winning a slam as a qualifier without dropping a set.
This is her 2nd grand slam. Something doesn't look right. She has to be taking something.
LOL I'm posting this in the "ATP is fake" thread
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
At TTW, the WTA sucks because too many young players are winning Slams. The ATP in contrast sucks because the young players are not winning Slams. I don’t know what it will take for people here to appreciate the solid tennis being played.
I think we just want a bunch of consistent champions and not 2 or 3 utterly dominant ones to last for 15 years.

There's a very large middle ground between where the ATP & WTA are currently at. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation.
 
I touched a nerve....
But that seems so important for many Americans, how much endorsement money a sports person makes. Not criminal, but simply not classy.
BTW, I don't live in a socialist country, thank God.
Federer’s earnings from the past year were $600,000 on the court, and $90 million off the court in endorsements. But no one should mention this fact and pretend like Federer plays without earning any money because it is not CLASSY. We got to live in our fantasy land of sugar plums and candy canes...

 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
You think about all the work that thousands of pros have put in over the years, all desperately hoping to win a slam in their careers.

Meanwhile this teenager rocks up to New York and wins one as a qualifier without even dropping a set on just her 2nd attempt, smh.
Not as phenomenal, remember Iga Swiatek run in RG 2020? It seemed she could hardly lose a game. She was the new hot thing.
Come 2021, she was human again.
We must follow Emma’s next performances for some time before we canonize her.
It seems that in the WTA it’s so much easier to reach the summit than to stay on top.
 
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toby55555

Hall of Fame
All very strange, I’m British and had never heard of her before the main draw of Wimbledon. I don’t closely follow WTA but I’m familiar with other British girls like Emily Appleton; Emma is so young to have stormed through a GS.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Not as phenomenal, remember Iga Swiatek run in RG 2020? It seemed she could hardly lose a game. She was the new hot thing.
Come 2021, she was human again.
We must follow Emma’s next performances for some time before we canonize her.
It seems that in the WTA it so much easier to reach the summit than to stay on top.
I'm not overhyping her or implying she's so much more talented than the rest of the tour so she'll keep this up.

The point is just that she could retire right now as a teenager and still have accomplished more than 99.9% of players ever will. Meanwhile you've got players like Sabalenka and Sakkari grinding it out every offseason trying to get in the best shape humanely possible and working with coaches trying to diagnose every flaw and come up with tactical gameplans for improvement. All with goal of winning a major. Something Emma did on a whim when she likely wasn't even considering that her goal when flying to New York last month.
 

ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
I've been following her progress since Wimbledon (because I'm at a Brit, so I was interested), checking the scores every time she played a challenger and also watching all her US Open qualifiers on Amazon Prime.

I could tell from her form in the qualies she was going to be a tough 'out'. For what it's worth I thought she would beat Brady - had they played - and maybe win a couple of rounds after that. Never expected her to reach the quarters and beyond though. I figured some wily pro would throw her off somewhere (someone with an awkward game).

Just amazing she won. She seemed to get better every single round. Her tennis in the semi and final was mind blowing IMO. Nobody could live with it. I hope she stays fit and wants to pursue a long career. The computer has her at rank 23 but being realistic she is already in the top 5-10 in terms of quality.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
She's the Comaneci of tennis.

The kicker here is she speaks with a delightful UK accent but english folks are unlikely to identify with her considering her ancestry.

Maybe she should move to Romania.
 

Max G.

Legend
At TTW, the WTA sucks because too many young players are winning Slams. The ATP in contrast sucks because the young players are not winning Slams. I don’t know what it will take for people here to appreciate the solid tennis being played.
Fans want 3-5 people that are consistent slam contenders. If there's fewer than that (just 1-2 people consistently winning slams) then it feels like there's no competition and a weak era. If there's more than that (>8 real slam contenders) then it feels like it's just random and nobody has any consistency (weak era).

Fans want players to start playing great early in their careers, and then slowly fade away/get beaten by the next generation 5-10 years later. If someone takes too long to get good, then they're "overhyped". On the other hand if the same players stay dominant for too long, then that's a sign that the next generation is weak.

ATP had that for a little while during the big 3/4 era. When Federer, Djokovic, Nadal were all top contenders, plus Murray being a little bit behind but still consistent, and then Wawrinka sneaking a few. Enough top players that it feels like each of them have real competition, but not so many that it feels that nobody can be consistent.
 

socallefty

Legend
Fans want 3-5 people that are consistent slam contenders. If there's fewer than that (just 1-2 people consistently winning slams) then it feels like there's no competition and a weak era. If there's more than that (>8 real slam contenders) then it feels like it's just random and nobody has any consistency (weak era).
Just go watch some ATP pro tournaments and it can even be Futures level and see how high the level of tennis is these days. If you’ve watched tennis over the past few decades in person, you will know that tennis is a much higher level now at a much higher speed. Also, you won’t be talking about pushers and defensive players because every player puts the first short ball away for a winner and has a big serve. The reason they have long rallies is because these guys prevent each other from getting a short ball for 20-30 shots while running like gazelles.

Watching on TV, it is hard to see the quality difference over the years of how tennis keeps improving. Heck, you can’t even see the quality difference between the ATP and WTA tennis on TV and that’s why you have so many people on here who think that they play a comparable level. I guess for those who watch tennis only on TV, you make up your own stories about weak eras, mugs, chokers and whatnot and need some kind of narrative of 3-5 consistent Slam champions winning only at a particular age range - not too young, not too old. Most of you guys sound completely crazy to those of the posters on here who watch a lot of tournaments in person and get amazed by the high level of play.

Guys like Federer and Djokovic say that they are playing better than ever in their thirties because they had to improve to keep up with the increasing level of new players and none of you guys watching on TV believe them because you think as soon as you are older, you can’t play as well in your thirties. Meanwhile, those who are in the GOAT conversation in their respective sports like Djokovic, Federer, Ronaldo, Brady, Serena (before her pregnancy), LeBron etc. keep winning comfortably in their thirties helped by modern fitness/recovery techniques. I read once that LeBron spends a million dollars a year to take care of his body and I would bet that all these other top athletes are like that too as they have big entourages helping them stay fit. Meanwhile, they become mentally tougher and strategically wiser in their thirties along with possessing their GOAT aura in addition to getting wiser about their diets, training regimen etc. And the young kids party late, drink alcohol, eat pizza/fried foods and then wonder why they can’t outlast Federer or Djokovic in a long match.
 
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Oval_Solid

Semi-Pro
exactly who enters the us open as a qualifier and wins without dropping a set
who is this person? if she is this good why didnt she turn pro years ago like graf or capriati or sharapova
also why doesnt the press ask her any of these important questions
why isnt the tennis press doing its job of informing the public
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
This is what I want in my pro tennis. Stop telling me how they're inexperienced at 18, still need more time to improve at 22/24/26/28...
If you've got the ability to win a slam, you've already got it at 18.
Historically speaking there are far more women players who were great around 16-20 years old than men. It's not really a 1 to 1 comparison.

But you can see the potential of a male player around 19-20 years old for the most part.
 
Odd, that's what I keep saying about the men's game. Bunch of mid 30 year olds are STILL dominating after 15+ years. The ATP even gave their young a special participation tournament to play in because they can't win anything. The WTA don't need that little pacifier.

The next ATP stars will be from the attrition-gen, they sure as all get out didn't step up and take it.
It's about time you get in touch with the time.. 30+ isnt synonym of retirement anymore.
The best players in a world in all major sport atm are 30+

"30+ iS rEtIrEmEnT"

people like you keep saying this over and over as it was bad for anything. Just because back then standard was poor, doesnt mean it should still be a standard.
 

Nole_King

Professional
Says a lot about the state of women's tennis in the past decade. Nothing but random results because the level is so bad.
Interesting that the almost result certainty in mens tennis is also attributed to the overall bad level of the ATP .... WTA and ATP are facing issues at two extreme end of spectrum.
 

jondice

Rookie
I know this is verboten to admit to, but she's stunning. That's gonna help her earn the major money. I think that's still how it works, right?

And (assuming she can play with any sort of consistency) her game is damn solid. She moves well. Has great instincts. We know she seems to have a pretty good head on her shoulders. I realize she could easily go the way of Ostapenko, but I have a feeling she'll be more a Sharapova or Clijsters.
 

socallefty

Legend
Why can't this happen on the mens side?
Because the men‘s game requires fast movement and big serves that need a lot of physical power and powerful muscles especially in the lower limbs - it seems like teens are unable to physically develop enough for this level of physicality until they‘ve trained with pro level trainers and coaches for many years. Also, the men‘s game requires winning seven Bestof5 matches in 2 weeks to win a Slam and this seems to be beyond the endurance limits of teens also. It ain’t your father‘s generation‘s ATP tour anymore when teen phenoms like Becker, Chang and Sampras could win Slams.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Because the men‘s game requires fast movement and big serves that need a lot of physical power and powerful muscles especially in the lower limbs - it seems like teens are unable to physically develop enough for this level of physicality until they‘ve trained with pro level trainers and coaches for many years. Also, the men‘s game requires winning seven Bestof5 matches in 2 weeks to win a Slam and this seems to be beyond the endurance limits of teens also. It ain’t your father‘s generation‘s ATP tour anymore when teen phenoms like Becker, Chang and Sampras could win Slams.
Yeah but look at Nadal, he won his 1st FO title just when he turned 19. Is the current tour that much different to that time?
 

3loudboys

Legend
She's the Comaneci of tennis.

The kicker here is she speaks with a delightful UK accent but english folks are unlikely to identify with her considering her ancestry.

Maybe she should move to Romania.
Not really - the nation has embraced a new hero and rightly so. To much talk about where she is born. Raised, schooled and trained in Bromley England from the age of two. Her county is Kent.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
She's the Comaneci of tennis.

The kicker here is she speaks with a delightful UK accent but english folks are unlikely to identify with her considering her ancestry.

Maybe she should move to Romania.
They will identify with her precisely because of her accent and she has lived here since age of two, she’s not playing under a flag of convenience like Bedene did for a while.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
Not really - the nation has embraced a new hero and rightly so. To much talk about where she is born. Raised, schooled and trained in Bromley England from the age of two. Her county is Kent.
She might be accepted because she's female.

But i guarantee you English folks would have a hard time identifying if it was a half-romanian, half-chinese boy.

And the same would apply in reverse if she was raised in China with an exclusive european ancestry.
 

socallefty

Legend
Yeah but look at Nadal, he won his 1st FO title just when he turned 19. Is the current tour that much different to that time?
Nadal took a year off from junior tennis when he was 16 or 17 and supposedly came back as a completely different physical specimen with bulging muscles. Amongst his peers in the locker room, that’s why there are more rumors about whether he was on PEDS during this stage which have then followed him throughout his career. He is from a wealthy family who could also afford a high level of physical training under trained fitness coaches along with his tennis training at a young age. Most kids are not so fortunate and don’t really spend a lot of time in the gym working on building up tennis-specific muscles with weight training until they are on tour already or went to a National Academy. You don’t see too many teenage pros who look like they have the muscles that Nadal did including in his lower limbs as a teen.

I also think the tour has become even more physical in the last 15 years as the pace of shots and serves has gone up even further putting even more of a premium on having the muscles necessary to have the movement and recovery powers needed to be a top pro.
 

sportmac

Hall of Fame
It's about time you get in touch with the time.. 30+ isnt synonym of retirement anymore.
The best players in a world in all major sport atm are 30+

"30+ iS rEtIrEmEnT"

people like you keep saying this over and over as it was bad for anything. Just because back then standard was poor, doesnt mean it should still be a standard.
Back then? Federer, Nadal and Djokovic were winning when they were young. And didn't stop. How does that fit into your theory?

According to you the next big stars in the ATP will be the guys who are now in their late 20's and early 30's.

The fact remains that no matter how many "next-gens" there have been none of them stepped up. In sports the top is taken, in the ATP those that should be taking are just waiting for it to be handed to them. Why? Because they can't take it. That's what's called a poor standard.
 
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R. Schweikart

Professional
Federer’s earnings from the past year were $600,000 on the court, and $90 million off the court in endorsements. But no one should mention this fact and pretend like Federer plays without earning any money because it is not CLASSY. We got to live in our fantasy land of sugar plums and candy canes...

Of course endorsement money can be mentioned.
But it is typical for US Americans that the first thing they think about when - for instance - a new star is born like Raducanu is how much "money she can make". Sports seems to take a second place for them.
 

egrorian

Rookie
She's been absolutely astonishing but still, keeping our feet on the ground, whether she is really here to stay remains open to question. It will be fascinating to see how she does going forward.
 

Wurm

Semi-Pro
The ATP in contrast sucks because the young players are not winning Slams. I don’t know what it will take for people here to appreciate the solid tennis being played.
The ATP sucks because The Big Three have been draining the life out of the slams since mid-2017. Sure, that AO at the start of the year was incredible but once we got over that it's just been four seasons worth of groundhog day.

Granted, Novak provided a bit of drama with the surprise tracheostomy attempt but him letting the younger guys have a couple of sets just so he can feel something barely registers as excitement to me.
 

3loudboys

Legend
She might be accepted because she's female.

But i guarantee you English folks would have a hard time identifying if it was a half-romanian, half-chinese boy.

And the same would apply in reverse if she was raised in China with an exclusive european ancestry.
I live in one of the most multicultural cities on the planet. I can assure you you are wrong on this one.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
I live in one of the most multicultural cities on the planet. I can assure you you are wrong on this one.
So, If Raducanu was half-British, half-Romanian but spent all fer life in China, played for China, you think Chinese folks would identify with her ?
 
She might be accepted because she's female.

But i guarantee you English folks would have a hard time identifying if it was a half-romanian, half-chinese boy.

And the same would apply in reverse if she was raised in China with an exclusive european ancestry.
Not sure how you can 'guarantee' that?! In the real London I actually live in, not the Mary Poppins version that lives in your head, my (mostly white) neighbours were cheering loud enough for her late last night to hear it through the walls.

It's not the 1950s any more, Britain isn't all white men in bowler hats and pin stripe suits. 36% of the population of London was born outside the UK even 10 years ago. 40% of Londoners are not white (not by any means the same group that were born abroad) and 20% are from various Asian backgrounds. Nearly 70% of children in London have at least one parent born abroad.


Raducanu doesn't stand out on that level at all, either in daily life or amongst sport stars, she's an absolutely typical young English woman.
 

Blahovic

Semi-Pro
Bear in mind that the pandemic has made these kids much lower ranked and much more unknown than they would have been if they were playing normally for the last 18 months.

Without the pandemic we would've seen more progression from these 2 earlier.
 

Patogen

Rookie
Do people realize that Emma's parents could afford hiring top coaches at a very young age? She's so refined because she has been refined for a while now, as she has been trained seriously. Instead of pushing her to play as many youth tournaments as possible, they invested in top-notch coaching. Of course it paid off.
 

Blahovic

Semi-Pro
Not sure how you can 'guarantee' that?! In the real London I actually live in, not the Mary Poppins version that lives in your head, my (mostly white) neighbours were cheering loud enough for her late last night to hear it through the walls.

It's not the 1950s any more, Britain isn't all white men in bowler hats and pin stripe suits. 36% of the population of London was born outside the UK even 10 years ago. 40% of Londoners are not white (not by any means the same group that were born abroad) and 20% are from various Asian backgrounds. Nearly 70% of children in London have at least one parent born abroad.


Raducanu doesn't stand out on that level at all, either in daily life or amongst sport stars, she's an absolutely typical young English woman.
Also, being a posh Asian female athlete (especially a good-looking one) and being a working class Black male athlete are two completely different things in England.

Raducanu will be treated completely differently from someone like Raheem Sterling.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's one of those riches to riches stories that Hollywood never films and newspapers never print.

Do people realize that Emma's parents could afford hiring top coaches at a very young age? She's so refined because she has been refined for a while now, as she has been trained seriously. Instead of pushing her to play as many youth tournaments as possible, they invested in top-notch coaching. Of course it paid off.
 
Fans want 3-5 people that are consistent slam contenders. If there's fewer than that (just 1-2 people consistently winning slams) then it feels like there's no competition and a weak era. If there's more than that (>8 real slam contenders) then it feels like it's just random and nobody has any consistency (weak era).

Fans want players to start playing great early in their careers, and then slowly fade away/get beaten by the next generation 5-10 years later. If someone takes too long to get good, then they're "overhyped". On the other hand if the same players stay dominant for too long, then that's a sign that the next generation is weak.

ATP had that for a little while during the big 3/4 era. When Federer, Djokovic, Nadal were all top contenders, plus Murray being a little bit behind but still consistent, and then Wawrinka sneaking a few. Enough top players that it feels like each of them have real competition, but not so many that it feels that nobody can be consistent.
I understand that many people think that way, but personally I stopped watching men's tennis from the period of Sampras' domination right through the 'big 3' period. I found the domination by 3 players incredibly tedious, and much prefer the greater competition across the WTA.


I couldn't care less if it is a 'weak era' or 'strong era' or who the 'GOAT' is. However, I can say that having watched tennis in the 80s and 90s, and watching it now, and watching them back to back again on YouTube, it seems to me that people are overly nostalgic about most tennis in the past, partly from watching replays of mostly great games.

Lots of the tennis played today by the women and the men is extraordinary, last night's final being a fantastic example at the end of what has been one of the most exciting tournaments I can remember
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
Not sure how you can 'guarantee' that?! In the real London I actually live in, not the Mary Poppins version that lives in your head, my (mostly white) neighbours were cheering loud enough for her late last night to hear it through the walls.

It's not the 1950s any more, Britain isn't all white men in bowler hats and pin stripe suits. 36% of the population of London was born outside the UK even 10 years ago. 40% of Londoners are not white (not by any means the same group that were born abroad) and 20% are from various Asian backgrounds. Nearly 70% of children in London have at least one parent born abroad.


Raducanu doesn't stand out on that level at all, either in daily life or amongst sport stars, she's an absolutely typical young English woman.
I actually agree with all you said.

Maybe i should have been more specific: native English people will not identify with her, but will cheer her because she represents UK.

But that's where it will stop.

But if she was a player from either Romania or China, people who actually look physically like her, she would be more embraced there.

In the same way, imagine Rafa moving in the UK aged 2, and playing for UK; you think native english people would identify with him ? The guy looks Spanish all the way to the tip of his nails.
 
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