Looking to bring up to pdr2012 weight. Any suggestions?
I put in my PDR 2012 leather grip + 8 grams under the grip, full poly 16 L 58 lbs...very happy until now cause I didn´t feel overpower.
Looking to bring up to pdr2012 weight. Any suggestions?
Man, you must be a beast of a man. Isn't that a heavy stick?
As Ray said, you have to put lead all over the place in order to maintain balance. You can't just put it in the hoop... you'll tire yourself out. You're going to have to get a yardstick and a dowel or broom stick or something... something to balance it and check out whether its HL or HH.
Whatever the racquet is currently (HH or HL), you should keep it that way. It doesn't even matter really whether its HH or HL, just find where its balance point is and take a picture of it.
Then, weight it to your hearts content both on the hoop and in the handle or throat so it maintains balance. You want it to have the same balance point as before.
Of course, you should start off slowly, just a couple of grams here and there. I don't recommend adding 20 grams immediately.
2gm lead @ 12
2gm lead @ 6
4gm lead @ end of buttcap
Leather Grip + Overgrip
kanjii,
It took me a good while to settle on it (it's both a good and bad thing that the frame can be modded so easilly), but 3g @ 12 and 6g in b/cap is where I ended up. However, as specifically re more plow, I would have thought the traditional 3 and 9 locations would be the place to apply lead.
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In conjunction with the other mods, what does that 2g @ 6 do for you? What's the thinking here?
That was just there during an experimental phase - I was trying to see if some lead on the bridge would make the racket feel more solid but it doesn't seem to do much for that purpose. However, it was also the time when I demo'd the PDR 2012, which feels like it has a lot of its weight distributed lower in the frame (in stock its 17gm heavier than an APDGT but has 3 less SW units and is only 1pt more HL) . My APDGT felt more similar to the PDR when I had some lead at 6 vs no lead there.
BTW: Interesting, I have long been using the same formula of counter balancing any lead at 12 with 2x the amount at the buttcap - 2gm @ 12 / 4gm @ buttcap.
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I punched in the numbers for my APDGT setup mentioned above (w/out Overgrip and personal preference of lead at 12) into the TW calculator and it came out to:
APDGT customized: 332gm, 6.5pts HL, 332.8 SW
PDR stock: 337gm, 5pts HL, 328 SW
I didn't know the actual numbers before but it seems pretty close IMO.
Ray, do you use this formula on ALL frames you check out/play (ie, 2 x the amount in b/cap that's @ 12)? I certainly tend to like lead @ 12 on a lot of frames but don't always x 2 that in b/cap vicinity.
It took me a long, long time of experimenting to arrive at my APD/O mods set up. TBH though, I've never found it to swing as sweetly and with that wonderful balance/weighting and primed "through the gears" speed to the ball as something like, say, the C10 Pro, or the silver/red Pro No 1 (which I'm presently still checking out), and even the 6.1s, I find super-quick in getting to the ball.
Whatever. I still consider the APD/O as just about the best tweener I've ever come across and it does so suit my game.
Which racket are you now focussed on?
I also tried a ton of different setup before arriving at that formula. I've been using it for a year now (other than the lead at 6 experiment) so I'm fairly settled with it.
I use that formula often when I am trying out frames in the lower 11oz range and have a balance of 0-4pts HL. Usually it gets me close to an ideal setup gives and me a good point to tweak from. For frames that already have a good amount of weight in the handle I usually just add lead to 12, or sometimes also a little at 3 & 9.
I must admit that most of the time I don't play well enough to use the Fischers effectively. But when I'm on I feel like I play my best tennis with these frames. For some reason this is the best frame I've found for hitting on the ball on the rise (at least for me) - something about the weight and balance lets me accelerate it very quickly. Give that a try if you haven't already and tell me what you think. I'm curious to see if its just me. I also really like volleys with this frame.
Right now I'm mostly satisfied with the APDGTs and spending more time looking for the ideal string set up. I've been looking at the PD/PDR 2012 and Juice 100 because these frames just seem to have more power and hit bigger serves easier than the other tweeners. I just have a much easier time holding serve with them, and now they are finally comfortable enough for me to use (PDGTs were too harsh on the arm) so I'm going to pick up one for match play. When weighted up like my APDGTs they play so similar that I could go back and forth between them, so I'll use the APDGTs for practice or just hitting around.
A bit off topic, but have you tried the Donnay Formula 100 yet? Of all the tweeners I've tried (besides the PD and Juice) the Formula 100 when weighted up like my current frame is imo the most similar to the APDGT except with much better feel and comfort. Although for me the APDGT is still a little sweeter on the topspin BH. I love hitting with players frames cuz they feel great, I use tweeners because I play better with them on a day to day basis but I don't really enjoy the feel of hitting with them. However I think this Formula 100 is the best feeling tweener I've ever used and goes a long way in bridging that gap.
Wow, a lot of what you say chimes big time with me.
I've been prioritizing the Pro No 1 lately because the solidness, sweet swinging (I agree about how fast the frame seems to accelerate into the ball), feel and build quality is exquisite. But as I discovered earlier today in some intense heat weather-wise, it is a tad low powered for me (I could use some better results as re the serve) and demanding generally. After two games I was peeling off the lead at 12... 349g is too much for me I think, definitely in the weather we're having right now in London. I still have yet to put in my gut/poly set up, but I'll be doing that when I return from impending family holiday. I do hope I can find that added oomph, as well as a bit more comfort - no doubt strings have passed their sell by date, but it's a bit stiff and my wrist is a touch achey, which of course isn't what you'd expect from an old Fischer frame.
Anyhow, after a set of toil, I pulled the APD/O out and, predictably, fared better serve-wise, and especially from the b-line (LOL- I always fare better from the b-line with the APD compared to just about anything else.) That said, again the humid conditions seemed to conspire to maker the APD feel heavier too. And as you allude to, the hollow, rattley feel etc, just bugs me more than a bit (long running issue this for me.) I may be playing tomorrow, and am tempted to slightly tweak or go a tiny bit lower lead-wise.
I haven't tried that Donnay... I am about to check out the X Force Pro (of course meant to be like a slightly stiffer, slightly lighter Pro No 1)... but what really interests me is what you said about the Juice 100 - I'd be keen to hear some more general observations on this racket, Ray.
BTW, I so know what you mean about "bridging the gap"... I seem to be in the same boat.
As Ray said, you have to put lead all over the place in order to maintain balance. You can't just put it in the hoop... you'll tire yourself out. You're going to have to get a yardstick and a dowel or broom stick or something... something to balance it and check out whether its HL or HH.
Whatever the racquet is currently (HH or HL), you should keep it that way. It doesn't even matter really whether its HH or HL, just find where its balance point is and take a picture of it.
Then, weight it to your hearts content both on the hoop and in the handle or throat so it maintains balance. You want it to have the same balance point as before.
Of course, you should start off slowly, just a couple of grams here and there. I don't recommend adding 20 grams immediately.
@ RossK
Got a chance to hit with a customized PD 2012, a PDR 2012 I barrowed, a V-core 100s, and my APDGT, so here's the update. Despite running a few sets of numbers through the TW customization calculators (normal & reverse) & getting the PD to match my APDGT on paper, it just doesn't feel or play closely, the weight distribution felt off. I tweaked it and it still felt too different, same goes for the 100s. That leaves me with the PDR that I've already tried in the past. Its just has an awesome weight/balance set up right from the factory and swings & feels so much lighter than the numbers indicate. All I had to do was stick 2gm of lead @ 12 and there was virtually no transition adjustments needed when going back and forth with my frame. This PDR had a full bed of poly that was strung rather loose (probably in the 40's) and after 3 sets of doubles + 45min-1hr of rallying with several different ppl, my opinion is that I'm getting more control from the PDR than with the Juice 100 even with Volkl Cyclone. Perhaps its because the PDR is just so similar to own my frame.
I like the feel of the Juice and APDGT better off the ground than the PDR. The Juice and PDR both feel much better on volleys than the APDGT (IDK why but I feel disconnected on volleys with the APDGT) and both let me hit bigger serves easier.
So that's my take on it. If you've already tried the PDR but dislike the feel, try the Juice 100 with some lead.
A frame that I found really feels great despite being a bit stiff is the Slazenger Pro Braided. PD like power on serves, awesome feel and control, but a bit underpowered off the ground imo. I'll need to spend more time hitting with this one.
@ RossK
Got a chance to hit with a customized PD 2012, a PDR 2012 I barrowed, a V-core 100s, and my APDGT, so here's the update. Despite running a few sets of numbers through the TW customization calculators (normal & reverse) & getting the PD to match my APDGT on paper, it just doesn't feel or play closely, the weight distribution felt off. I tweaked it and it still felt too different, same goes for the 100s. That leaves me with the PDR that I've already tried in the past. Its just has an awesome weight/balance set up right from the factory and swings & feels so much lighter than the numbers indicate. All I had to do was stick 2gm of lead @ 12 and there was virtually no transition adjustments needed when going back and forth with my frame. This PDR had a full bed of poly that was strung rather loose (probably in the 40's) and after 3 sets of doubles + 45min-1hr of rallying with several different ppl, my opinion is that I'm getting more control from the PDR than with the Juice 100 even with Volkl Cyclone. Perhaps its because the PDR is just so similar to own my frame.
I like the feel of the Juice and APDGT better off the ground than the PDR. The Juice and PDR both feel much better on volleys than the APDGT (IDK why but I feel disconnected on volleys with the APDGT) and both let me hit bigger serves easier.
So that's my take on it. If you've already tried the PDR but dislike the feel, try the Juice 100 with some lead.
A frame that I found really feels great despite being a bit stiff is the Slazenger Pro Braided. PD like power on serves, awesome feel and control, but a bit underpowered off the ground imo. I'll need to spend more time hitting with this one.
@ RossK
Got a chance to hit with a customized PD 2012, a PDR 2012 I barrowed, a V-core 100s, and my APDGT, so here's the update. Despite running a few sets of numbers through the TW customization calculators (normal & reverse) & getting the PD to match my APDGT on paper, it just doesn't feel or play closely, the weight distribution felt off. I tweaked it and it still felt too different, same goes for the 100s. That leaves me with the PDR that I've already tried in the past. Its just has an awesome weight/balance set up right from the factory and swings & feels so much lighter than the numbers indicate. All I had to do was stick 2gm of lead @ 12 and there was virtually no transition adjustments needed when going back and forth with my frame. This PDR had a full bed of poly that was strung rather loose (probably in the 40's) and after 3 sets of doubles + 45min-1hr of rallying with several different ppl, my opinion is that I'm getting more control from the PDR than with the Juice 100 even with Volkl Cyclone. Perhaps its because the PDR is just so similar to own my frame.
I like the feel of the Juice and APDGT better off the ground than the PDR. The Juice and PDR both feel much better on volleys than the APDGT (IDK why but I feel disconnected on volleys with the APDGT) and both let me hit bigger serves easier.
So that's my take on it. If you've already tried the PDR but dislike the feel, try the Juice 100 with some lead.
A frame that I found really feels great despite being a bit stiff is the Slazenger Pro Braided. PD like power on serves, awesome feel and control, but a bit underpowered off the ground imo. I'll need to spend more time hitting with this one.
is it always necessary to counterbalance? reason asking is I added 3 grams total to the hoop at 3&9 for more stability. Played with it and it felt great. Decided to add 5 grams to the buttcap to make it more HL and manuverable but i felt I lost a lot of power on my groundstrokes and a lot of pace on my first serve.
Mans that's crazy! I tried a Juice 100 demo and bought two Pro Braideds which felt about the same as the Juice. I cannot get the Pro braided dialed in the way I like it so far. Might be the 95 head. I just demoed a Pure Drive GT Plus last night and liked everything about it except I could not bring in into position fast enough, a little lag for me. I have the APDGT, Juice 100. Juice Pro and Kennex Q Tour all on the way to demo. It will be interesting to see where you wind up as we seem to be searching for the same racket. Can you help me with a suggestion for a Babalot to match the PDGT Plus specs (2009) but a little more maneuverable extended length or not.
Looking at the spec sheet between BAPDGT and BPDR (2012) those specs are almost the same except the Roddick is 17 grams heavier which might go over my weight limit as with a over grip and head tape I would be at 344 grams or 12.3 oz and my limit is around 11.7. Can you pick one over the other and why?
Are the specs of PD and APDGT the same as on the website? If so, if you haven't already tried it, you can try to match the PD by adding 5/6 grams between 11 and 1 and wrap the replacementgrip only to half of the handle, remove the rest of the replacementgrip and then add 6/7 grams around the butt. Maybe this will help.
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Do you mind passing on your email address to me via my profile - your own profile doesn't allow this and I wanted to ask you something but I don't want to derail this thread.
Thanks
R