Where would you rank Djokovics 2023 season among the best seasons in his career?

Sorry guys, revised list:

I struggled with this one, putting a year like 2017 over 2011, or 2022 over 2015 was a tough sell, but then I remembered that he didn’t have as much experience back then, so couldn’t have been as good.

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Kralingen said:
Sorry guys, revised list:

I struggled with this one, putting a year like 2017 over 2011, or 2022 over 2015 was a tough sell, but then I remembered that he didn’t have as much experience back then, so couldn’t have been as good.

2023
2022
2021
2020
2019
2018
2017
2016
2015
2014
2013
2012
2011
2010
2009
2008
2007
2006
2005
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Sarcasm won't make anything different man.
 
Why does anyone put 2011 ahead of 2023.
Maybe the field was a bit stronger in 2011, but the end of his season ruins everything. Bagelled by Nishikori in Basel, obliterated by Tsonga in Paris and Ferrer in the ATP Finals. He even lost against Tipsarevic in London.
Nothing like that in 2023 in big tournaments except maybe Musetti in Monaco.

If we look at the RESULTS, in 2011 he only made 3 out of 5 Major finals. In 2023, it's 5/5. He won 4 Major finals in straight sets, his only loss was in a Slam final in 5 sets. He also beat EVERY members of the current top-15 in 2023.

He won more M1000 in 2011 but I'd still take 1 ATP Finals and 1 extra Slam final over 3 extra M1000.

2023 is his 2nd best season after 2015.
 
Lauren_Girl' said:
Why does anyone put 2011 ahead of 2023.
Maybe the field was a bit stronger in 2011, but the end of his season ruins everything. Bagelled by Nishikori in Basel, obliterated by Tsonga in Paris and Ferrer in the ATP Finals. He even lost against Tipsarevic in London.
Nothing like that in 2023 in big tournaments except maybe Musetti in Monaco.

If we look at the RESULTS, in 2011 he only made 3 out of 5 Major finals. In 2023, it's 5/5. He won 4 Major finals in straight sets, his only loss was in a Slam final in 5 sets. He also beat EVERY members of the current top-15 in 2023.

He won more M1000 in 2011 but I'd still take 1 ATP Finals and 1 extra Slam final over 3 extra M1000.

2023 is his 2nd best season after 2015.
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Do you think 2023 Djokovic could go 10-1 vs 2011 Fedal though?
 
Lauren_Girl' said:
Why does anyone put 2011 ahead of 2023.
Maybe the field was a bit stronger in 2011, but the end of his season ruins everything. Bagelled by Nishikori in Basel, obliterated by Tsonga in Paris and Ferrer in the ATP Finals. He even lost against Tipsarevic in London.
Nothing like that in 2023 in big tournaments except maybe Musetti in Monaco.

If we look at the RESULTS, in 2011 he only made 3 out of 5 Major finals. In 2023, it's 5/5. He won 4 Major finals in straight sets, his only loss was in a Slam final in 5 sets. He also beat EVERY members of the current top-15 in 2023.

He won more M1000 in 2011 but I'd still take 1 ATP Finals and 1 extra Slam final over 3 extra M1000.

2023 is his 2nd best season after 2015.
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The joke with Djokovic fans was always tennis started in 2011 but it may have to be updated to tennis started in 2015? Or maybe even 2021
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
In what exact way 2021 is a better season results wise than 2023?! LOL Please enlighten me, cuz i don't see any reasons for 2021 to be...more masters won, more titles overall won, final of the ATP finals reached in 2023...i fail to see where 2021 wins anything over 2023? So what the heck?!...which "results" are you even talking about? additionally he also skipped several big tournaments (especially masters) in 2021, just like he did in 2023, so??...additionally he had 55-7 record by the end of 2021, which is not that different from his current 54-6 record, which in worst case now can convert into 54-7, which percentage wise will only make 2021 better season by hair, because of one extra match win, which Novak will likely fix anyway during his campaign in Davis Cup (wins from which count towards player's singles statistics...), so if it's not titles in general, masters titles, grand slam titles, finals reached in elite events and not even W/L percentage rate, what else then, which statistically makes 2021 better? LOL
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Tougher matches in 2021. Had to beat Nadal to win French Open. Field weaker now. Its a close call though.
 
Third Serve said:
Statistics without context don’t account for things like competition and court conditions. In my opinion, they should be accounted for.
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Then 2011 -> 2015 for the same reason as 2021 -> 2023! Yet you won't see any sane person ranking Novak's 2011 over 2015 even if his level 2011 was tenfolds better! Same thing with 2023 vs. 2021! 2023 -> 2021 end of story!
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Then 2011 -> 2015 for the same reason as 2021 -> 2023! Yet you won't see any sane person ranking Novak's 2011 over 2015 even if his level 2011 was tenfolds better! Same thing with 2023 vs. 2021! 2023 -> 2021 end of story!
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Most of 2011 was better than 2015. The only reason 2015 is better overall is because Djokovic fizzled out after the US Open in 2011 while he played a more competent indoor season in 2015.

But pretty much everywhere else with the exception of Wimbledon, Djokovic was better in 2011.
 
2015 is better. Tennis is played after USOpen as well. Nole went berserk. Winning Beijing Shanghai Paris and ATP finals, 3800 pts wow.

In 2011 he was done after USOpen 62-2

In 2015 he was 58-5 before but also 19-1 afterwards. It was pretty OP.

Without USOpen his 2011 will match 2015 but he won a lot after USOpen in 2015. I believe that's because of his game not being totally about bashing.
 
Most people will always say 2011 Djokovic had way stronger competition and peaked higher than 2015 though.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
2015 is better. Tennis is played after USOpen as well. Nole went berserk. Winning Beijing Shanghai Paris and ATP finals, 3800 pts wow.

In 2011 he was done after USOpen 62-2

In 2015 he was 58-5 before but also 19-1 afterwards. It was pretty OP.

Without USOpen his 2011 will match 2015 but he won a lot after USOpen in 2015. I believe that's because of his game not being totally about bashing.
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There's a slight luck component to it. He simply got injured in 2011.
 
RS said:
Most people will always say 2011 Djokovic had way stronger competition and peaked higher than 2015 though.
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Most Fedal fans you mean? Djokovic himself said twice in the past couple of months that he believes he played his best tennis in 2015 and first half of 2016.
 
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Most Fedal fans you mean? Djokovic himself said twice in the past couple of months that he believes he played his best tennis in 2015 and first half of 2016.
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Even most Djokovic fans said he peaked higher in 2011. Well at least a few years back just before Djokovic had the slam record might be different now.
 
Biotic said:
Most Fedal fans you mean? Djokovic himself said twice in the past couple of months that he believes he played his best tennis in 2015 and first half of 2016.
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Until quite recently, most Djokovic fans here also held this position.
 
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Even most Djokovic fans said he peaked higher in 2011. Well at least a few years back before Djokovic had the slam record might be different now.
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I'd rather take Djoko's word on it, than random people, don't you think.
 
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I'd rather take Djoko's word on it, than random people, don't you think.
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Sure that's a fair take to trust Djokovic much more than people on here just adding to what people's position on here which was 3/4 slams Djokovic was better in 2011 than 2015 by a good amount.
 
RS said:
Sure that's a fair take to trust Djokovic much more than people on here just adding to what people's position on here which was 3/4 slams Djokovic was better in 2011 than 2015 by a good amount.
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AO surely. The rest not so much. Anyway, I think the way he played in 2015/16 was more in line with his abilities as a player. If so, it's only natural to assume it's was the best option to maximize his potential. Hypothetical peak Djoko should be logical result.
 
Biotic said:
AO surely. The rest not so much. Anyway, I think the way he played in 2015/16 was more in line with his abilities as a player. If so, it's only natural to assume it's was the best option to maximize his potential. Hypothetical peak Djoko should be logical result.
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Sure this is more common nowadays. There is less detailed conversation on that topic than a few years back so this would probably be more common now. I mean in RG Djokovic fans didn't really rate either due to faster balls and passiveness but they choose the 11 SF still.
 
What I would say is that this was his most consistent year in a really long time. I think the last time he was this dialled in week-to-week was 2016. Bar the beginning of the clay season, he pretty much didn't play below a B level at any tournament and he was really tough in tournaments where he usually slacks off a bit.

Mentally this is probably his best ever season after 2011.
 
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