Which Big 3 AO redemption story was the greatest?

Which redemption story was the greatest?


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Let's see. Locked up and detained with refugees, and ostracized in the worldwide media, and then thrown out. Then comes back with all that pressure while carrying an injury and wins it for the 10th time. Nothing is comparing to that. Lol. Fans can enjoy whatever win they like but that went beyond just playing tennis.
if we’re talking strictly tennis on court then ao23 was garbage never in doubt tier, same as w21/22 type slam

If we look outside tennis then djokovic has an argument with his sticking it to the authorities … very underwhelming though with literally 0 resistance
 
Image calling AO23 return of its greatest champion put in to such ordeal that his winning career seemed over as non historical but soap opera thing, in favor of other two.That’s like saying Djokovic didn’t have 2 Cincinnati titles.He he guys some of you outdoing yourself here
I mean, historical for how dramatic it was, sure, hence soap opera. The other two were record-breaking feats to go along with being dramatic too in their own lesser more specifically tennis-related ways.
 
2018 w semi was a better story for djokovic after looking finished for the best part of the year before queens…

2023 ao was a boring easy win vs a bunch of mugs. The complete polar opposite of the word epic
 
So, the guy that got his bum handed to him on 3 separate occasions finally gets his nemesis back is the biggest redemption? lol

Nah, I'm gonna go with the guy that lost 4 finals there, 1 lost with a back injury and 2 being up a a break in the fifth to finally win it after being 2 sets to 0 and about to be broken in the fifth being down 0-40 vs the best HC player at the time, vs the same guy that spanked a 3 slams winning Djokovic a few short months prior in straight sets. All of these at the tender age of 36 vs a guy 10 years his jr.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with Rafa.
 
Well, it goes to show that beating very old Fedal doesn't really have much significance when he failed against a contemporary who wasn't in his mid to late 30's.

By past players I meant anyone before the Next Gen. And 2019 Fed was certainly easier to beat than even 2017-2018 Fed. He lost in 4 after all without converting a BP. To me a 20.5 year old beating a 37.5 year old doesn't hold much significance. But goes to show the era we live in when such a win is to be marveled.

Your first statement isn't water tight, because if he could beat old Fedal, why didn't his contemporary manage it?

As for your second statement, well, you are entitled to your opinion.
 
Federer - AO 2017

Federer had not won a slam in four and half years, he entered the event not having played since Wimbledon 2016, where his knee gave out against Raonic. The image of Federer lying face first on the grass with a concerned Raonic looking on looked ominous at the time. Federer arrives into Melbourne and beats not one, not two, not three but four top ten players, which included winning three matches that went into a fifth set. He defeated the former AO champion and winner of the slam last played, Wawrinka in the semis, and follows it up completely changing the script on his greatest rival Nadal, who he had not defeated in a slam in over 9 and half years.....1-3 down in the fifth, Federer hits 23 winners against Nadal and wins his 18th slam in the most dramatic fashion....he ends it by going down on one knee, a stark contrast to the way he ended it at Wimbledon a few months ago.

Nadal - AO 2022

Nadal had not won the AO in 13 years heading into the event, and was coming in after being dethroned by his greatest rival on his own court at PC in one of the greatest clay matches of all time. Nadal coming in recovering from an injury and essentially not playing any competitive tennis in months, takes out Shapovalov in five sets despite suffering severe dehydration issues. He returns back to take out Berrettini and then does something in the final that he had not done since W 2007, and that is win a match after being 0-2 down. He fights off a 0-40 situation in the third set and starts what is the greatest comeback of his life against Medvedev who had just won the USO and stopped Djokovic's CYGS. Nadal edges the match out in a brutal five hours to finally take the slam lead and be the first to reach 21.


Djokovic - AO 2023

Djokovic had to watch from afar as the event the year before took place without him, the reigning defending undisputed GOAT of AO lost his title without hitting a ball, the mental and emotional turmoil that set in post that event was enough to crush any mere mortal, after watching Nadal pull further away in Paris, Novak had his back against the wall to respond and respond he did by winning Wimbledon and pulling it back to just one slam. Allowed back into Australia, it was now time to prove a point, to show his greatness and reclaim the one thing he never really lost, he gets injured in Adelaide against Medvedev, casting doubts on his form and health heading into his redemption AO. Novak comes in and plays one of his most aggressive ever AO, taking no prisoners, dealing with the injury, not practising on his days off, the two weeks were a true test of his will to win. He defeats the in form Tsitsipas in the final and catches Nadal, tying the slam race back at 22-22, the perfect ending to what was a chaotic year and with it reclaims his number one ranking to allow himself the chance to break the all time record of both men and women at the top.
Rafa
 
For all the talks of Rafa "vulturing" AO 22, Nole has not exactly won a single slam after Australia 2019 by playing blistering tennis against good competition except for maybe 2021 RG where his one good match came against a slightly subdued Rafa.

Players he has beaten in slam Semis and Finals :- Bautista Agut, 40-15erer, Thiem, Tsitsipas, Zverev, Medvedev, Compromised Rafa, Tsitsipas, Shapovalov, Berretini, Norrie, Kyrgios, Paul, Tsitsipas
Lol.
 
Were they redeeming themselves from being successful multimillionaire overachievers?
The pain they’ve endured.
The comic book narratives!
 
Firstly, Nadals 2022 is so asterisked that it shouldn't be in the list at all...
Federer 2017 is great, it really is, but nothing beats "jail to throne" path... nothing...
And I think it's once in the history situation, being in jail just to return next year and conquer all...
 
Lol, Rafa shouldn't be up there....we all know the circumstances of his win.

There is only one redemption...one player who was wronged the year before!
 
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Federer - AO 2017

Federer had not won a slam in four and half years, he entered the event not having played since Wimbledon 2016, where his knee gave out against Raonic. The image of Federer lying face first on the grass with a concerned Raonic looking on looked ominous at the time. Federer arrives into Melbourne and beats not one, not two, not three but four top ten players, which included winning three matches that went into a fifth set. He defeated the former AO champion and winner of the slam last played, Wawrinka in the semis, and follows it up completely changing the script on his greatest rival Nadal, who he had not defeated in a slam in over 9 and half years.....1-3 down in the fifth, Federer hits 23 winners against Nadal and wins his 18th slam in the most dramatic fashion....he ends it by going down on one knee, a stark contrast to the way he ended it at Wimbledon a few months ago.

Nadal - AO 2022

Nadal had not won the AO in 13 years heading into the event, and was coming in after being dethroned by his greatest rival on his own court at PC in one of the greatest clay matches of all time. Nadal coming in recovering from an injury and essentially not playing any competitive tennis in months, takes out Shapovalov in five sets despite suffering severe dehydration issues. He returns back to take out Berrettini and then does something in the final that he had not done since W 2007, and that is win a match after being 0-2 down. He fights off a 0-40 situation in the third set and starts what is the greatest comeback of his life against Medvedev who had just won the USO and stopped Djokovic's CYGS. Nadal edges the match out in a brutal five hours to finally take the slam lead and be the first to reach 21.


Djokovic - AO 2023

Djokovic had to watch from afar as the event the year before took place without him, the reigning defending undisputed GOAT of AO lost his title without hitting a ball, the mental and emotional turmoil that set in post that event was enough to crush any mere mortal, after watching Nadal pull further away in Paris, Novak had his back against the wall to respond and respond he did by winning Wimbledon and pulling it back to just one slam. Allowed back into Australia, it was now time to prove a point, to show his greatness and reclaim the one thing he never really lost, he gets injured in Adelaide against Medvedev, casting doubts on his form and health heading into his redemption AO. Novak comes in and plays one of his most aggressive ever AO, taking no prisoners, dealing with the injury, not practising on his days off, the two weeks were a true test of his will to win. He defeats the in form Tsitsipas in the final and catches Nadal, tying the slam race back at 22-22, the perfect ending to what was a chaotic year and with it reclaims his number one ranking to allow himself the chance to break the all time record of both men and women at the top.
Rafa's seemed rigged
 
Fedr.
It's AO 2017 and it's not really a contest.
Beatings for the other contestants.
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I know the other 2 fanbases roll their eyes at Roger always winning every poll, but there really shouldn't be any debate that his was the best comeback story here.
Not really surprising though...Fed was knocking on the door in multiple slams 2014-2017. All he had to do is wait for Djo's level to dip a little...
 
It is AO2017 by far, no contest at all.

AO 2017 is the greatest comeback story in history, after become reduced to Rafa's pigeon in mid-late 2000s it was Roger setting himself free with a majestic display of clutch in the 5th set, breaking free from the shackles and the mindblock. It was more orgasmic to watch than have actual sex. Federer finally proved to us what we knew all along, he always was better than Nadal outside clay and had it in him to beat him throughout the bad years, his win proved it, comforting for the fans.

Novak's AO2023 comes behind this because the torment which Novak had lasted only 1 year, Roger's lasted more than a decade. Novak's win is still significant since he had to prove that he was still the best, he had been wronged, shamed by a govt, media, by colleagues like de minaur ,,,, So Novak had some pressure to win again and a lot of anger in him. He succeeded beautifully in proving that AO22 was a sham without him and that title also should have been his.

Nadal's AO2022 is a mini redemption compared to prev 2, we can say that in the absence of Novak the expectation was on Nadal to see if he can steal this title, Medvedev prevented him and had almost pushed him to the brink of a 5th final defeat here. Rafa had to conjure all his determination to ensure that he heavylifted the whole match from 2 sets down. So from his perspective it is also a redemption story but it is far behind Federer's and Novak's.

AO17 > AO23 > AO22
 
Federer by a mile, it's not close.

Maybe not, if he'd gotten Cilic or someone like that in the Final...but he got Nadal and was down 3-1 in the fifth set

Literally everyone including me thought "oh well, seen this movie before"
 
Easily Djokovic. He went with pure fire in AO2023. He was unceremoniously deported by a country's foreign minister. Which lost him his number 1 ranking as well. The foreign minister got fired from his job, along with the prime minister. While new party mps said they need to publicly apologize to Djokovic. Djokovic befriended Australian Kyrgios in this time, beaten him in Wimbledon final. And he returned back to where it all started and won becoming slam leader and world number 1 again.
Easily not Djokovic, it was completely expected huge favorite. Federer 2017 was an amazing resurgence after looking like he might not be able to win slams anymore
 
Considering you have made a case for the big three you really have to pick the only tournament that all three played in.

2023 No Rog
2022 No Djok or Rog
2017 Rog wins, Rafa finalist, Djok was there but had a horrible draw, meeting that titan of the game Denis Istoman in round two.
 
Nadal's victory at AO 2022 is massively tainted by the political removal of Djokovic, the ruler of Australian Grand Slam. This is similar to if removed Nadal on RG for unsports reasons. Anyone winning such an RG would be questioned as the sporting legitimacy of the competition was undermined.

Although a Djoker fan, I voted here for Fed at AO 2017. Federer's title run was an epic run that Roger ended a nearly 5-year GS drought. It should be noted that Fed defeated four TOP 10 players during event and broke his Rafa curse in the final. This factors hardens the exceptionality of AO 2017.
 
Well, Fed lost in 4 didn't he?

Yes, he lost in four. That is a fact, it is your opinion after the fact that I speak of. Tsitsipas was the first guy to beat Federer at AO since Seppi in 2015 by anyone other than Djokovic. In other words, taking three sets of Federer at AO was not an easy thing regardless of his age. Anyways, we both know we stand on opposite sides here.
 
Nadal's victory at AO 2022 is massively tainted by the political removal of Djokovic, the ruler of Australian Grand Slam. This is similar to if removed Nadal on RG for unsports reasons. Anyone winning such an RG would be questioned as the sporting legitimacy of the competition was undermined.

Although a Djoker fan, I voted here for Fed at AO 2017. Federer's title run was an epic run that Roger ended a nearly 5-year GS drought. It should be noted that Fed defeated four TOP 10 players during event and broke his Rafa curse in the final. This factors hardens the exceptionality of AO 2017.
We all know he wouldn't. Only Nadal gets so much hate here. Djokovic winning RG due to the organizers making totally ridiculous changes and turning it into DO is far more asterisked, but somehow nobody cares.
 
Djokovic wasn't even RELEVANT in RG after 2016, before the organizers decided to help him. Nadal was totally robbed at his best slam. Imagine the crying if AO changed its surface to clay.

He lost a five set semi final in 2019 to Thiem before the changes. He was plenty relevant still.
 
He didn't reach Nadal at all in 2017-2019, but suddenly started reaching him again from 2020 on.

That doesn't mean he wasn't relevant. LOL. Had it been any other player other than Thiem was who is great form at the time, Djokovic would have made the final to meet Nadal. It was five sets.
 
What did two of the choices have in common?

They both had the absence of one Djokovic! In Roger's case, he was physically there but hampered by the elbow injury.
 
What did two of the choices have in common?

They both had the absence of one Djokovic! In Roger's case, he was physically there but hampered by the elbow injury.
In other words, only one of the choices lacked djokovic. One of them also lacked Federer. Both, at least somewhat, by their own doing. Federer chose to retire, although his body helped that decision. Djokovic chose not to get vaccinated, although the Australian government chose to make that a deal breaker. You can argue all you want on whether or not that was right, but you can't deny the fact that djokovic could have easily avoided it all.

I respect how he stuck by his decision, but he still had a choice and has to live with the consequences, which he has with dignity... it's his fans who haven't dealt with the consequences with dignity.
 
Yes, he lost in four. That is a fact, it is your opinion after the fact that I speak of. Tsitsipas was the first guy to beat Federer at AO since Seppi in 2015 by anyone other than Djokovic. In other words, taking three sets of Federer at AO was not an easy thing regardless of his age. Anyways, we both know we stand on opposite sides here.
But you brought up all those guys failing to take a 5th against Fed. Tsitsipas didn't require a 5th, which means that yes, Fed was easier to beat in 2019.
 
Not really surprising though...Fed was knocking on the door in multiple slams 2014-2017. All he had to do is wait for Djo's level to dip a little...
He obviously needed more than that though. 2017 was incredible because he was coming off a serious injury and struggled with a tough draw. He barely won that event, even with RLA playing faster than ever. It wasn't like taking Novak out made him the favorite.

If it had happened at the 2016 AO then sure, we could say he was knocking on the door and only needed Novak gone.
 
But you brought up all those guys failing to take a 5th against Fed. Tsitsipas didn't require a 5th, which means that yes, Fed was easier to beat in 2019.

Dude, failing to take the fifth is based on the fact that they won two sets and couldn't win the match, meaning even after getting to a fifth set they still failed.

Federer was easier to beat in 2019....well that is because someone actually stepped up to do it. Federer was on the edge a few times in the past, but no one could do it except Djokodal consistently.
 
Dude, failing to take the fifth is based on the fact that they won two sets and couldn't win the match, meaning even after getting to a fifth set they still failed.

Federer was easier to beat in 2019....well that is because someone actually stepped up to do it. Federer was on the edge a few times in the past, but no one could do it except Djokodal consistently.
Well, Fed was gonna lose eventually, especially as he was coming into that match after losses to Anderson and Millman. So that means those guys also stepped up....
 
Well, Fed was gonna lose eventually, especially as he was coming into that match after losses to Anderson and Millman. So that means those guys also stepped up....

Well, everyone loses eventually, even Nadal at RG lost.

The Anderson match at Wimbledon, we both know Federer injured his hand at a key moment, so while Anderson did play well, Federer did get hurt in that match. Millman match was such a sauna match, Federer himself even stated it was the first time he actually wanted to lose a match, just so he could get off that court. Credit to Millman for taking the conditions better, but we know the context for those two examples you gave.

At AO 2019, there was no such thing, Federer was expected to at least make the semis with Nadal, and many had him making the final, since at that point, Federer was owning Nadal outside of clay.
 
Interesting conviction by the Federer and Nadal fans.
Let’s see, when Federer won the FO, the criticism was that he did not go through the King of the FO, Nadal, therefore, not “really legit” (thanks Robin!).
When Novak won 2016 FO, the criticism was that Nadal was injured therefore…

But here, both, Nadal and Federer used the opportunity when the King of AO was out/injured and those achievements are glorified above the rest.

Not the fan of either of the three, however, double standards are so obvious on these boards
 
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Well, everyone loses eventually, even Nadal at RG lost.

The Anderson match at Wimbledon, we both know Federer injured his hand at a key moment, so while Anderson did play well, Federer did get hurt in that match. Millman match was such a sauna match, Federer himself even stated it was the first time he actually wanted to lose a match, just so he could get off that court. Credit to Millman for taking the conditions better, but we know the context for those two examples you gave.

At AO 2019, there was no such thing, Federer was expected to at least make the semis with Nadal, and many had him making the final, since at that point, Federer was owning Nadal outside of clay.
Fair enough, I guess.

Although, like I said, IMO, a 20.5 year old beating a 37.5 year old should not be considered an upset. The win over Nadal, though, was impressive, but I felt like that was more due to Nadal running out of steam for some reason as he was dominating Stefanos beforehand.
 
Fair enough, I guess.

Although, like I said, IMO, a 20.5 year old beating a 37.5 year old should not be considered an upset. The win over Nadal, though, was impressive, but I felt like that was more due to Nadal running out of steam for some reason as he was dominating Stefanos beforehand.
According to you any win over Nadal is impressive, but a win over Federer or Djokovic is never impressive, no matter what.
 
Fair enough, I guess.

Although, like I said, IMO, a 20.5 year old beating a 37.5 year old should not be considered an upset. The win over Nadal, though, was impressive, but I felt like that was more due to Nadal running out of steam for some reason as he was dominating Stefanos beforehand.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. No issues there.

Do you consider peak Federer's wins over Agassi in 2004 and 2005 especially to be good wins, or simply Federer met a way past his best Agassi at that point? I mean peak Agassi was actually 1995.
 
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. No issues there.

Do you consider peak Federer's wins over Agassi in 2004 and 2005 especially to be good wins, or simply Federer met a way past his best Agassi at that point? I mean peak Agassi was actually 1995.
Obviously Agassi was old, but not as old as Federer. And I'd say he displayed a higher level since that's what it takes to compete against Federer compared to competing against Tsitsipas.
 
Obviously Agassi was old, but not as old as Federer. And I'd say he displayed a higher level since that's what it takes to compete against Federer compared to competing against Tsitsipas.

But Federer was at his peak, which Tsitsipas was not at. It is not just about age, it is about ability at that age. It balances out.
 
This is a great battle between some seasoned pros going on here, but is slightly getting sidetracked from one of the original points, which is that regardless of whether he was the most deserving of the non-Djokovic players of being in the final - which I think is entirely true - it is very hard to argue that Tsitsipas was anything better than "meh" in the final itself.

There is a reason why the Tennis Podcast devoted an entire segment of their review of the final to just ****ting on his performance and attitude in the match - the 1st set no-show, the endless UEs in the TBs, tonnes of missed open court FHs which I remember the match thread here going crazy about... what's worse is that Djoker himself was near to a mini-meltdown in set 2 and tbh was more of an opponent to himself than Tsitsipas. Imo he was even worse than Berry in 2021, and 2nd only to the Abominable Casper Ruud at the FO 2023 for the worst slam final performance since the 2020 US Open. Just like Ruud, his post match interview was a disgrace as well, he seemed fairly pleased with everything lol

And it goes back to the wider point, which is that it is damn near impossible to make anything interesting or compelling out of the actual tennis that went on at AO 23, except for the impressiveness of Djoker's demolition of the field and a particularly satisfying match against AdM (which as I've said before is probably 2nd only to the Murray stuff for my favourite moment of the season so far)
 
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