Which college good tennis but subpar academics?

d-quik

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Or are all good tennis colleges also academically prestigious as well?
 
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bluetrain4

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You could only go by ranking or anecdotal information from people who went to a certain school. That doesn't really confirm "subpar" academics.

So of the Top 30 D1 schools - end of 2019 season - maybe Texas Tech, Miss St or Okla State which are ranked 217, 206 and 187 in national university rankings.
 

NoChance

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Bluetrain offered an honest answer.

So....what is really your question? If you are (in your mind at least) a good D1 player, but have a bad academic record, then the pickings are slim. There are some schools out there, but invariably, most of the better D1 schools have some academic hoops to jump through.

It isn't football...it isn't basketball. Tennis players need to have to half a brain to get in, with few exceptions.
 

d-quik

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So of the Top 30 D1 schools - end of 2019 season - maybe Texas Tech, Miss St or Okla State which are ranked 217, 206 and 187 in national university rankings
If you are (in your mind at least) a good D1 player, but have a bad academic record, then the pickings are slim. There are some schools out there, but invariably, most of the better D1 schools have some academic hoops to jump through.
so do CSU Sacramento or University of the Pacific have high, avg, or low admission requirements? Do you have to practice methodism in order to attend UoP?
 

pasta

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Colleges where coaches don't smoke cigarettes ... University of Nort Dakota, Iowa Local and Chicago ParkU ...

Where coaches smoke ... Luysiana Centrl ... Texas Hi so good to ...
 

Larry Duff

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Undergraduate education in most American colleges is subpar unless the student makes an effort to connect with faculty.
 

atatu

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so do CSU Sacramento or University of the Pacific have high, avg, or low admission requirements? Do you have to practice methodism in order to attend UoP?
I'd say Sacramento State is pretty average, I went there for two years and then transferred to UCSB, back in the day.
 

bobleenov1963

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uh oh, where's bobleenov? (see the thread:
One way to make a highly-ranked, Div. 1 tennis team)
My alma mater Ohio State University is a very good academic school with a good tennis team. OSU can compete for the NCAA championship every years. OSU problem is the mullet JJ Wolf and Ty Tucker. OSU is paying him a lot more money than the coach at UVA but no championship trophy for OSU.
 

Liam Grennon

Professional
My alma mater Ohio State University is a very good academic school with a good tennis team. OSU can compete for the NCAA championship every years. OSU problem is the mullet JJ Wolf and Ty Tucker. OSU is paying him a lot more money than the coach at UVA but no championship trophy for OSU.
Ty Tucker is one of the best college coaches in the country. He recently lost one home match after being on 180+ home match win streak. They had a great season last year and while yes they did loose to UVA at home the other day, I wouldn't say Ty Tucker is the problem. Most people don't realize that there are only a handful of teams to ever win a national championship in tennis. Tucker has kept OSU at the top for numerous years and will probably win a title one day. Also JJ Wolf and his mullet were the best player in college tennis his last year at OSU, so not sure what you are talking about there.

As for the original question, schools like Middle Tennesse might not have the best academic reputation but still have strong tennis programs. But for the large majority of D1 and D3 schools, most strong teams have really strong academics as well. Some of the well funded Power 5 Programs and big state schools might not be top tier, but still are reputable.
 

bobleenov1963

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Ty Tucker is one of the best college coaches in the country. He recently lost one home match after being on 180+ home match win streak. They had a great season last year and while yes they did loose to UVA at home the other day, I wouldn't say Ty Tucker is the problem. Most people don't realize that there are only a handful of teams to ever win a national championship in tennis. Tucker has kept OSU at the top for numerous years and will probably win a title one day. Also JJ Wolf and his mullet were the best player in college tennis his last year at OSU, so not sure what you are talking about there.
Ty Tucker is getting paid in tennis what Alabama is paying Nick Saban in football. Tucker is probably the highest paying tennis coach in college. His job is to win multiple national championship in May. He has not won any in May after twenty years at OSU.

JJ Wolf was the best player in college tennis his last year at OSU, the same year he lost to the Gators freshman Sam Riffice. Shall we say "choke"?
 

RiverRat

Professional
I'd add that with the exception of a handful of schools, if you're good enough to play, you're good enough to get in, particularly as a tennis player. Tennis players rarely come from impoverished backgrounds with unsuitable college prep.

My alma mater Ohio State University is a very good academic school
Seriously? You're even going to brag about Ohio State's academics. According to US News they are outside of the top 50. Maybe say good or respectable. Very good? Not with those freshman class sizes.
 

bobleenov1963

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I'd add that with the exception of a handful of schools, if you're good enough to play, you're good enough to get in, particularly as a tennis player. Tennis players rarely come from impoverished backgrounds with unsuitable college prep.


Seriously? You're even going to brag about Ohio State's academics. According to US News they are outside of the top 50. Maybe say good or respectable. Very good? Not with those freshman class sizes.
Yes, OSU is a very good school. That's my experience. I got a high paying job after getting my graduate degree at OSU. Therefore, it is a very good school, and who cares what US News said. Lot of these schools send fake data to USNews to prop up its ranking. George Washington University did exactly that, until they got caught.


USNews did a lousy job in verifying the data.
 

Liam Grennon

Professional
Ty Tucker is getting paid in tennis what Alabama is paying Nick Saban in football. Tucker is probably the highest paying tennis coach in college. His job is to win multiple national championship in May. He has not won any in May after twenty years at OSU.

JJ Wolf was the best player in college tennis his last year at OSU, the same year he lost to the Gators freshman Sam Riffice. Shall we say "choke"?
Well, Nick Saban is being paid over 9 million dollars a year while Ty Tucker is being paid 300,000. To my knowledge, he is the highest-paid coach in college tennis, but I still believe you are being overall critical of Coach Tucker. He has built that program for a long time.


As for JJ Wolf. He went 35-2 his Junior season at one singles and was the 2018 All American champion. He has also found some awesome success at the pro level. Wolf was the number one ranked player by ITA polls. Did he win a singles title? No. Could he have? Certainly.


In reference to your argument that OSU is a good academic school, I do not disagree. THE Ohio State University has many reputable programs. I think the argument that people are making is that they are probably two-tiers bellow schools like Standford and tier bellow schools like UVA, U Mich, UT, Wake Forest, and USC for example. I think I speak for everyone on the forums when I say we are happy you felt like you received quality education from OSU, but it's just not true that they are overall on par academically with some other schools.
 

SpringWater

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Ty Tucker is one of the best college coaches in the country. He recently lost one home match after being on 180+ home match win streak. They had a great season last year and while yes they did loose to UVA at home the other day, I wouldn't say Ty Tucker is the problem. Most people don't realize that there are only a handful of teams to ever win a national championship in tennis. Tucker has kept OSU at the top for numerous years and will probably win a title one day. Also JJ Wolf and his mullet were the best player in college tennis his last year at OSU, so not sure what you are talking about there.

As for the original question, schools like Middle Tennesse might not have the best academic reputation but still have strong tennis programs. But for the large majority of D1 and D3 schools, most strong teams have really strong academics as well. Some of the well funded Power 5 Programs and big state schools might not be top tier, but still are reputable.
do you know how to spell lose?
 

bobleenov1963

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Well, Nick Saban is being paid over 9 million dollars a year while Ty Tucker is being paid 300,000. To my knowledge, he is the highest-paid coach in college tennis, but I still believe you are being overall critical of Coach Tucker. He has built that program for a long time.
Ty Tucker get paid $304,723.20 in salary, not including bonus, benefits, perks, endorsements, etc... Add all that up and you're talking about 500k/year. When you are the highest paid college tennis coach but not producing any championship trophies in May, it is disappointing to say the least. Even the University of Illinois won one in 2003. Tucker is at OSU since 1999 and we get nothing.
if Tucker is not the problem, who is? You know what they do to the CEO when things go south? He gets fired.


As for JJ Wolf. He went 35-2 his Junior season at one singles and was the 2018 All American champion. He has also found some awesome success at the pro level. Wolf was the number one ranked player by ITA polls. Did he win a singles title? No. Could he have? Certainly.
Could have, should have... No more excuses. 2018 was the perfect year for Wolf to win the men single title? He was seeded 2nd and lost to a freshman. How do you spell "choke"?


In reference to your argument that OSU is a good academic school, I do not disagree. THE Ohio State University has many reputable programs. I think the argument that people are making is that they are probably two-tiers bellow schools like Standford and tier bellow schools like UVA, U Mich, UT, Wake Forest, and USC for example. I think I speak for everyone on the forums when I say we are happy you felt like you received quality education from OSU, but it's just not true that they are overall on par academically with some other schools.
UVA, U Mich, UT, and OSU are all very good "public" universities. I am working with several people who graduated from UVA, U Michigan and UT. I can tell you that they are not any smarter than I am and vice versa. To say that OSU is below UVA, UT, U Michigan is absolutely absurd.
 

Liam Grennon

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Ty Tucker get paid $304,723.20 in salary, not including bonus, benefits, perks, endorsements, etc... Add all that up and you're talking about 500k/year. When you are the highest paid college tennis coach but not producing any championship trophies in May, it is disappointing to say the least. Even the University of Illinois won one in 2003. Tucker is at OSU since 1999 and we get nothing.
if Tucker is not the problem, who is? You know what they do to the CEO when things go south? He gets fired.




Could have, should have... No more excuses. 2018 was the perfect year for Wolf to win the men single title? He was seeded 2nd and lost to a freshman. How do you spell "choke"?




UVA, U Mich, UT, and OSU are all very good "public" universities. I am working with several people who graduated from UVA, U Michigan and UT. I can tell you that they are not any smarter than I am and vice versa. To say that OSU is below UVA, UT, U Michigan is absolutely absurd.
Well, no reputable college ranking organization places OSU above any of those listed institutions. All those schools have significantly lower acceptance rates and standards for admissions. Graduates of all those institutions go on to make a higher average salary the OSU graduates. It's not about you being smarter than graduates of those institutions. I know lots of very smart people who go to schools that aren't highly ranked. The question originally posed was about the correlation between strong tennis programs at elite schools which is a well-known correlation. Mostly because of the history of tennis and it historically being a sport of the higher economic class. Who you work with is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

JJ Wolf didn't win an NCAA title. Neither has Nuno Borges, Will Bloomberg, Brandon Holt, Borna Gojo, Yuya Ito, Brandon Nakashima (just as recent examples), but that doesn't take away from what they all accomplished in their college careers. JJ Wolf isn't going to bat an eyebrow at the fact that some OSU alumni think he choked in NCAA's (playing Riffice who had no pressure, was playing on the courts he grew up on, was outside, and is also an incredible player), but I would just be careful about criticizing someone for not performing to the level you expect.

Ty Tucker has built an incredibly strong and consistent tennis program over the last twenty years. You can think whatever you want about him and his program, I doubt he cares.
 

RiverRat

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UVA, U Mich, UT, and OSU are all very good "public" universities. I am working with several people who graduated from UVA, U Michigan and UT. I can tell you that they are not any smarter than I am and vice versa. To say that OSU is below UVA, UT, U Michigan is absolutely absurd.
Incoming student grades, test scores and acceptance rates are absurd then. Putting OSU in the same breath with some of the top state universities is not done by admission counselors, and the numbers don't bear it out. But opine away. It's a free country. BTW, OSU has won only half of the Big Ten titles the Michigan tennis team has and Michigan won a national championship too, with Barry MacKay.

P.S. I have given up pointing out how you bring up money in each and every thread. Yet, you even tried to use it here as a way of affirming the top academic status of OSU. There may be impressionable young people on here that are still to make a decision on a university, so I won't let you propagate this nonsense unopposed. Of course, you are free to propagate as much nonsense as you'd like. But many students have worked hard to get into top state universities and shouldn't their efforts slopped into a pool with OSU.
 
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bobleenov1963

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Incoming student grades, test scores and acceptance rates are absurd then. Putting OSU in the same breath with some of the top state universities is not done by admission counselors, and the numbers don't bear it out. But opine away. It's a free country. BTW, OSU has won only half of the Big Ten titles the Michigan tennis team has and Michigan won a national championship too, with Barry MacKay.

P.S. I have given up pointing out how you bring up money in each and every thread. Yet, you even tried to use it here as a way of affirming the top academic status of OSU. There may be impressionable young people on here that are still to make a decision on a university, so I won't let you propagate this nonsense unopposed. Of course, you are free to propagate as much nonsense as you'd like. But many students have worked hard to get into top state universities and shouldn't their efforts slopped into a pool with OSU.
Ok I'll bite. What are being offered at UVA that are better than OSU or even Geroge Mason University (GMU)? Amazon is relocating to Northern Virginia because of the strength of GMU and VA Tech Satellite campus and it has nothing to do with UVA.
 

RiverRat

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I got a high paying job after getting my graduate degree at OSU. Therefore, it is a very good school, and who cares what US News said.
You see, I have to question the value of the education based on the value of the argument. To think that the one "therefore" proves the other shows a lack of disciplined reason, and more than a shade of self-aggrandizement. It doesn't make me think more highly of the university. In fact, your other argument cited your biased personal opinions of graduates from these other universities as evidence. Really? It's either an indictment of some educational institution failing you or of your failing.
 

RiverRat

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Ok I'll bite. What are being offered at UVA that are better than OSU or even Geroge Mason University (GMU)? Amazon is relocating to Northern Virginia because of the strength of GMU and VA Tech Satellite campus and it has nothing to do with UVA.
Those campuses offer a limited IT focused education. They would be fine for your professionally focused, continuing educational needs, but does not offer the broad educational or student experience many want and benefit from. Do these satellite campuses have a school newspaper? I wrote for mine in college. Would there be any student political activities on campus. You might have enjoyed the Ayn Rand society meetings I attended in college. None of that kind of stuff happens there, but my guess is that's not what you value in an education. We've had this discussion before, when you told me I should offer my son $180k to not go to Northwestern and to go to UVA instead. It's quite apparent that you see education as a transactional commodity. That's fine. Trade your Amazon and Apple stock I've heard (more than once) you've made a killing on and invest in some satellite campus education. That simple.
 

silentkman

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Incoming student grades, test scores and acceptance rates are absurd then. Putting OSU in the same breath with some of the top state universities is not done by admission counselors, and the numbers don't bear it out. But opine away. It's a free country. BTW, OSU has won only half of the Big Ten titles the Michigan tennis team has and Michigan won a national championship too, with Barry MacKay.

P.S. I have given up pointing out how you bring up money in each and every thread. Yet, you even tried to use it here as a way of affirming the top academic status of OSU. There may be impressionable young people on here that are still to make a decision on a university, so I won't let you propagate this nonsense unopposed. Of course, you are free to propagate as much nonsense as you'd like. But many students have worked hard to get into top state universities and shouldn't their efforts slopped into a pool with OSU.
Preach
 

Rattler

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JJ Wolf was the best player in college tennis his last year at OSU, the same year he lost to the Gators freshman Sam Riffice. Shall we say "choke"?
there’s no shame in a loss to Riffice, he was a USTA program kid from the time he was like 12...a Blue Chip Junior by the time he was 14...hardly a scrub.

<had to edit...Hook ‘Em!>.
 
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bobleenov1963

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......and one mans personal opinion how strong the schools academics are solely based on his claims he got a good job.
Yes, OSU is a very good school from my experience, and I did get a high paying job after getting my graduate degree there. To me, it is a very good school. Some clowns said that OSU is not as strong in academic as UVA/UT/U. Mich and he backed it up with the USNews ranking which has been debunked by the George Washington University scandal.

Those campuses offer a limited IT focused education. They would be fine for your professionally focused, continuing educational needs, but does not offer the broad educational or student experience many want and benefit from. Do these satellite campuses have a school newspaper? I wrote for mine in college. Would there be any student political activities on campus. You might have enjoyed the Ayn Rand society meetings I attended in college. None of that kind of stuff happens there, but my guess is that's not what you value in an education. We've had this discussion before, when you told me I should offer my son $180k to not go to Northwestern and to go to UVA instead. It's quite apparent that you see education as a transactional commodity. That's fine. Trade your Amazon and Apple stock I've heard (more than once) you've made a killing on and invest in some satellite campus education. That simple.
Not every students is interested in the school newspaper or political activities on campus, especially when one come from poverty and need to study something practical so that one can get a job after graduation.
 

RiverRat

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Yes, OSU is a very good school from my experience, and I did get a high paying job after getting my graduate degree there. To me, it is a very good school. Some clowns said that OSU is not as strong in academic as UVA/UT/U. Mich and he backed it up with the USNews ranking which has been debunked by the George Washington University scandal.



Not every students is interested in the school newspaper or political activities on campus, especially when one come from poverty and need to study something practical so that one can get a job after graduation.
No clowns said anything about OSU not being as good as these other schools until you asserted they were. Aside from that obvious strawman, I find yet another troubling problem with your reasoning, discrediting a USNews ranking doesn't prove your point and ignores student grades, test scores, and the school's acceptance rates which were also cited.

I think a fine education can be had at most colleges. Most of it depends on the individual. At the best schools you will be surrounded by more of those students than at some other schools.
 

bobleenov1963

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No clowns said anything about OSU not being as good as these other schools until you asserted they were. Aside from that obvious strawman, I find yet another troubling problem with your reasoning, discrediting a USNews ranking doesn't prove your point and ignores student grades, test scores, and the school's acceptance rates which were also cited.

I think a fine education can be had at most colleges. Most of it depends on the individual. At the best schools you will be surrounded by more of those students than at some other schools.
You did. this is what you said: "Seriously? You're even going to brag about Ohio State's academics. According to US News they are outside of the top 50. Maybe say good or respectable. Very good? Not with those freshman class sizes." You also said "Incoming student grades, test scores and acceptance rates are absurd then. Putting OSU in the same breath with some of the top state universities is not done by admission counselors, and the numbers don't bear it out."

Yous stated that OSU is not as good as other schools, in your own words, and used US News as your source without checking that USNews does not have verify the data it collected. You point might be valid if you were saying that OSU is below to Duke, Carnegie Mellon, or Cal Tech. However, OSU is just as good as UT/U Mich/UVA.

At the end of the day, everyone has to work to make a living. In the state of Virginia, JMU, VCU, GMU, VA Tech are just as good as UVA, and there is no salary differences between those school upon graduation.
 

zipplock

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only problem but big problem...:unsure: hmm
I went to UoP for one year going on 20 years ago. I don't recall admission standards being crazy high, they mostly just wanted that tuition money. I tried to walk on to the tennis team but wasn't good enough, lost my final match to the guy that did make the team.
 

d-quik

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I went to UoP for one year going on 20 years ago. I don't recall admission standards being crazy high, they mostly just wanted that tuition money. I tried to walk on to the tennis team but wasn't good enough, lost my final match to the guy that did make the team.
Any notes about the city of stockton itself though?
 

RiverRat

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I did say the first part, with no mention of anyone being better, only that OSU was ranked outside of the top 50 and it was a stretch to say it had "very good" academics. I will say you misquoted me to your advantage by excluding my conciliatory remark, "Maybe say good or respectable."

The second broken out part in your post is, as I stated, in response to you asserting that OSU was among the top state colleges. Again, I did not mention any specific schools. I won't defend anymore of my posts to you when you are going to present alternative timelines of my comments and exclude the conciliatory in the midst of your quote. I'll let others judge for themselves.

The last part of your post I disagree with. I'll say you are entitled to your opinion, and I'm not surprised by it-valuing education by salary equalities you haven't demonstrated.

You did. this is what you said: "Seriously? You're even going to brag about Ohio State's academics. According to US News they are outside of the top 50. Maybe say good or respectable. Very good? Not with those freshman class sizes."

You also said "Incoming student grades, test scores and acceptance rates are absurd then. Putting OSU in the same breath with some of the top state universities is not done by admission counselors, and the numbers don't bear it out."

At the end of the day, everyone has to work to make a living. In the state of Virginia, JMU, VCU, GMU, VA Tech are just as good as UVA, and there is no salary differences between those school upon graduation.
 
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atatu

Legend
At the end of the day, everyone has to work to make a living. In the state of Virginia, JMU, VCU, GMU, VA Tech are just as good as UVA, and there is no salary differences between those school upon graduation.
Well after commenting about not derailing this thread I'm going to be a hypocrite for getting into this, but the statement that VCU, Mason and Tech are "just as good" as UVA is ridiculous and makes you lose some credibility.
 

bobleenov1963

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Well after commenting about not derailing this thread I'm going to be a hypocrite for getting into this, but the statement that VCU, Mason and Tech are "just as good" as UVA is ridiculous and makes you lose some credibility.
How do you explain the fact that people who graduate from VCU, ODU, GMU, JMU or VA Tech in computer science or engineering are getting paid the same salaries as people who graduate from UVA.
 

zipplock

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Lol no i meant from personal experience not statistics. Like did you witness any stocktoness?
No. I actually enjoyed my time there. Campus is beautiful and safe. I lived in apartments just East of the school. Surrounded by rich kids in fancy cars. I was the guy that had to take student loans and work a full time job in order to be there. Played pick-up basketball a lot with the OGs that would come on campus. Aside from taking out the debt to attend, if I had to do it again I would.
 
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