Which is harder to beat: Nadal at Monte Carlo, or Nadal at Roland Garros?

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At Monte Carlo, one of the most prestigious Masters 1000 events on tour, Nadal has compiled a 44-1 record (a winning percentage of 97.8%), including 8 consecutive titles there since 2005 (a record). Nadal's last loss at Monte Carlo came in 2003 to Guillermo Coria (although in that tournament, he beat Albert Costa 7-5 6-3, the reigning French Open champion, at the tender age of 16). Nadal has beaten federer 3 times in the final and Djokovic twice in the final. Nadal is the only player in open era history to win 8 consecutive titles of any event, AND he did it at a Masters 1000. Nadal is on a 42-match winning streak at the event. In 2010, he dropped only 14 games in 5 matches (at 10 sets, that is 1.4 games per set on average). He also holds the record for fewest games lost in a Masters 1000 final (just one game). If Nadal wins Monte Carlo this year, he will be the first man in the open era to win a title 9 times (and do them consecutively, at a Masters 1000 event too).

At Roland Garros, Nadal has compiled a 52-1 record (a winning percentage of 98.1%), winning the title 7 times in total, making him the only 'slam king' on tour (he doesn't share the record for most titles with anyone else, he stands alone). He has two streaks of 4 titles ( 2005-2008 ) and 3 titles (2010-2012), being beaten in the 4R by Robin Soderling in 2009. Nadal has beaten Djokovic 4 times at the event (once in the final), and Nadal has beaten federer 5 times at the event (4 times in the final). In 2008, he dropped just 41 games (at 21 sets, that is 1.95 games per set on average). If Nadal wins Roland Garros this year, he'd be the first man in open era history to win the title 8 times, and the first man to win a slam 8 times. And if Nadal wins the titles in 2013-2014, he'd be the first man in world history to hold a 99% winning percentage at a slam.

Is Nadal harder to beat at Monte Carlo, or Roland Garros? :p

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moonballs

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Neither is easy but given what happens in 2009 4th round RG I'd say somehow he is easier to beat at RG.
 
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Which certainly is the hardest to beat. Which rarely even shows up, so technically no one has ever beaten him.
 
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Sentinel said:
Which certainly is the hardest to beat. Which rarely even shows up, so technically no one has ever beaten him.
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I would argue that 'who' (not the former chinese president) is harder to beat. Who has made it to the WTF, which has not. Incidentally punjabis seem to consider WHICH (they call it Vich) the real GOAT. They have a number of songs dedicated to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NmcutNpFm4
 
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It's very close. As close as it gets. But Monte Carlo is just 100% perfect for Rafa's game. The two compliment each other just perfectly.

It began with Monte Carlo, and it's always been the one constant throughout Nadal's rise to the top. So, for me, Monte Carlo. When he starts losing there, then I might start entertaining the thought that the King's reign could be coming to an end, until then Nadal remain at the top of the mountain.
 
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kragster said:
I would argue that 'who' (not the former chinese president) is harder to beat. Who has made it to the WTF, which has not. Incidentally punjabis seem to consider 'which' the real GOAT. They have a number of songs dedicated to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NmcutNpFm4
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Interesting fact about Indian Music videos I've learned recently is that the real voices behind the songs are not shown in the video.:shock: They use ghost singers.. Aishwarya Rai doesn't sing?

It's Milli Vanilli all over again.
 
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Neither, with the amount of cake draws he has gotten at both of them he most likely will maintain an A grade winning percentage.
 
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The-Champ said:
Interesting fact about Indian Music videos I've learned recently is that the real voices behind the songs are not shown in the video.:shock: They use ghost singers.. Aishwarya Rai doesn't sing?

It's Milli Vanilli all over again.
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The thing is when people talk about Indian music, they mainly refer to Hindi songs. India is a country with many states and many languages. This is a title music from one of the films from Malayalam, a south Indian language. There is no vocals and just instrumentals. I would request you to listen to this as there won't be any language barrier. This is created by a very underrated musician called Johnson, he won many National awards. It's just two minutes long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzwOGncv8w

Aishwarya Rai doesn't sing. Here in India films are like that. With lots of lousy sing and dance items, very far from reality and extremely boring. The heroes sing, rather they pretend that they sing. There are some realistic films also without these kind of songs and dances but they don't reach outside market. They just end up in film festivals
 
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kragster said:
I would argue that 'who' (not the former chinese president) is harder to beat. Who has made it to the WTF, which has not. Incidentally punjabis seem to consider WHICH (they call it Vich) the real GOAT. They have a number of songs dedicated to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NmcutNpFm4
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I am surprised that you know about Punjabi songs. I myself don't know much about that as I am from Kerala, its a state in the Southern India. Bw, Punjab is in North India. It's closer to Pakistan and the language is very similar to Hindi, the national language of India. You know a lot about Indian music hehe
 
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Neither, with the amount of cake draws he has gotten at both of them he most likely will maintain an A grade winning percentage.
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i'm not a fan of nadal.

But I'm pretty sure you could like up the top 7 guys in the world in succession for a lot of those Nadal RG titles and he still would've won.

it would've been a lot harder, would've taken a lot more out of him.. might have meant he wouldn't have had as good of results at Wimbledon...

But I bet he'd have nearly as many titles.

The guy is the flat out clay GOAT... I'd take him over any player historically on the surface.

And as much as I love Federer, if I had to put my life on the line for a match, i'd rather back Nadal on clay than any other player on any other surface anytime ever.
 
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Rafael Nadal is very tough to beat on both RG and Monte Carlo. I still would say RG as it's five sets and to beat the king of clay in five sets is next to impossible
 
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i'm not a fan of nadal.

But I'm pretty sure you could like up the top 7 guys in the world in succession for a lot of those Nadal RG titles and he still would've won.

it would've been a lot harder, would've taken a lot more out of him.. might have meant he wouldn't have had as good of results at Wimbledon...

But I bet he'd have nearly as many titles.

The guy is the flat out clay GOAT... I'd take him over any player historically on the surface.

And as much as I love Federer, if I had to put my life on the line for a match, i'd rather back Nadal on clay than any other player on any other surface anytime ever.
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I am a die hrad Roger Federer fan and if my life is on line for a match, I would take Rafa on clay than any other player on any other surface
 
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Feather said:
The thing is when people talk about Indian music, they mainly refer to Hindi songs. India is a country with many states and many languages. This is a title music from one of the films from Malayalam, a south Indian language. There is no vocals and just instrumentals. I would request you to listen to this as there won't be any language barrier. This is created by a very underrated musician called Johnson, he won many National awards. It's just two minutes long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzwOGncv8w

Aishwarya Rai doesn't sing. Here in India films are like that. With lots of lousy sing and dance items, very far from reality and extremely boring. The heroes sing, rather they pretend that they sing. There are some realistic films also without these kind of songs and dances but they don't reach outside market. They just end up in film festivals
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Dude, I'm Indian (Tamil) lol.
 
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RG. If nadal comes up against someone playing off the chart, it's possible for him to lose, but otherwise he will beat everyone handily. At RG he has more time to slow down other players retake control of the match if he starts losing. Taking points off nadal on clay is one of the hardest things in tennis history. They guy just gets to everything and can take control of a point quickly.
 
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I still can't get over the fact that your username is 6-1 6-3 6-0! That is literally the most trollish username that someone could pick on this forum.. so good job, I guess.
 
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RG because it FEELS as though he's never going to lose there.

Even in his loss to Soderling, that whole match he played below standards but you STILL felt that he'd win the 4th set tiebreaker and win it in the 5th
 
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It's difficult to say because each tournament has a separate advantage for him.

As many are saying, at RG it's hard to take three sets from him. As well, at MC he basically owns the court in terms of ball bounce, speed, etc.

If I were to make an educated guess, I would say MC. I think he feels more confident on that court. He has came closer to losing at RG more lately than he has at MC. (Isner in 2011, and Djokovic in the final last year was a closer match than most people think)

An argument could be made that he puts forth a ton more effort at RG because I can almost guarantee you that the Soderling loss is still fresh in his mind even four years later.
 
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merwy said:
I still can't get over the fact that your username is 6-1 6-3 6-0! That is literally the most trollish username that someone could pick on this forum.. so good job, I guess.
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What were the scores of the LAST three sets that Federer and Nadal played indoors...?


Back to the original question. I have to say that the court at RG also gives Nadal a huge advantage because of who much space he has at the back to move around in. He can position himself as many feet behind the baseline as he wants.
 
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I think MC is better for his game, and considering his last loss at MC came when he was 16 and his opponent was one of (if not already the) best clay players in the world.

You can say he was injured at RG 09 but the fact is he lost in the 4R to a guy he had decimated on clay just a couple weeks before.

I think the 5 set thing is an advantage over scrubs, but gives players like Novak and big hitters to settle into a match.

He's near perfect on clay anywhere though.
 
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Tougher to beat at Monte-Carlo. Courts are so slow there. While RG can be kind of quick at times for a clay court. Depending on the year.
 
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My vote goes to Monte Carlo. I think Rafa is more relax playing in MC, thereby more aggressive. There's more on the line for him in the FO since it's a GS. For that reason I feel like he is less aggressive there, and would rather have a bigger margin of error with his shots. Obviously, my take is mainly subjective. But Monte Carlo it is for me.
 
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I'd say RG, mostly because it's a 5 set match and there's less chance of a "fluke" loss for Nadal. I also think he has faced better opponents at RG than at MC
 
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While his confidence may be higher at Monte Carlo (just speculation) I'd probably say there. Easier to win best of three than best of five after all. Still nightmarishly difficult at either though.
 
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DolgoSantoro said:
While his confidence may be higher at Monte Carlo (just speculation) I'd probably say there. Easier to win best of three than best of five after all. Still nightmarishly difficult at either though.
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But it's much harder to hit through MC. It's like the slowest clay court I've ever seen. The players that make it mildly competitive with Nadal are backboards themselves. No way Soderling could have success on that kind of clay court.
 
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At Monte Carlo, one of the most prestigious Masters 1000 events on tour, Nadal has compiled a 44-1 record (a winning percentage of 97.8%), including 8 consecutive titles there since 2005 (a record). Nadal's last loss at Monte Carlo came in 2003 to Guillermo Coria (although in that tournament, he beat Albert Costa 7-5 6-3, the reigning French Open champion, at the tender age of 16). Nadal has beaten federer 3 times in the final and Djokovic twice in the final. Nadal is the only player in open era history to win 8 consecutive titles of any event, AND he did it at a Masters 1000. Nadal is on a 42-match winning streak at the event. In 2010, he dropped only 14 games in 5 matches (at 10 sets, that is 1.4 games per set on average). He also holds the record for fewest games lost in a Masters 1000 final (just one game). If Nadal wins Monte Carlo this year, he will be the first man in the open era to win a title 9 times (and do them consecutively, at a Masters 1000 event too).

At Roland Garros, Nadal has compiled a 52-1 record (a winning percentage of 98.1%), winning the title 7 times in total, making him the only 'slam king' on tour (he doesn't share the record for most titles with anyone else, he stands alone). He has two streaks of 4 titles ( 2005-2008 ) and 3 titles (2010-2012), being beaten in the 4R by Robin Soderling in 2009. Nadal has beaten Djokovic 4 times at the event (once in the final), and Nadal has beaten federer 5 times at the event (4 times in the final). In 2008, he dropped just 41 games (at 21 sets, that is 1.95 games per set on average). If Nadal wins Roland Garros this year, he'd be the first man in open era history to win the title 8 times, and the first man to win a slam 8 times. And if Nadal wins the titles in 2013-2014, he'd be the first man in world history to hold a 99% winning percentage at a slam.

Is Nadal harder to beat at Monte Carlo, or Roland Garros? :p

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Was peak clay Nadal - 2008 French open or 2010 Monte carlo?
 
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