Which is harder to beat: Nadal at Monte Carlo, or Nadal at Roland Garros?

Hitman said:
Interestingly Djokovic beat Nadal twice at both MC and RG.

We know about RG, but did anyone else beat Nadal multiples times at MC? I know Murray beat him multiple times in Madrid.

2013 - Djokovic
2014 - Ferrer
2015 - Djokovic
2019 - Fognini
2021 - Rublev

I believe that is the correct list post 2005.
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Those are Nadal's only losses in MC? Lol, damn. That's ridiculous. Talk about slim pickings...
 
NoleFam said:
Those are Nadal's only losses in MC? Lol, damn. That's ridiculous. Talk about slim pickings...
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Yes, since 2005 I believe those are it. Djokovic got those multiple wins, and then Nadal won three more before Fognini ended his reign there for good in 2019.
 
NoleFam said:
His reign there was crazy. Probably the most dominant run at a non-Slam event I have seen.
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I mean, the guy won 8 in a row, no one has done that anywhere. And even when he finally lost, it was in the final to his greatest rival.

The only thing that comes close is Barcelona. He won 8 times without losing there also, only difference is, he skipped it in 2010, so he didn't win it that year, but he still won 8 straight times he played it. 12 overall.
 
Hitman said:
I mean, the guy won 8 in a row, no one has done that anywhere. And even when he finally lost, it was in the final to his greatest rival.

The only thing that comes close is Barcelona. He won 8 times without losing there also, only difference is, he skipped it in 2010, so he didn't win it that year, but he still won 8 straight times he played it. 12 overall.
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Barcelona is impressive but doing it a Masters when his rivals showed up often was another level. Crazy dominance. Definitely the KOC. I just can't see his clay records ever being broken.
 
NoleFam said:
Barcelona is impressive but doing it a Masters when his rivals showed up often was another level. Crazy dominance. Definitely the KOC. I just can't see his clay records ever being broken.
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Only his record of titles in Madrid (5) is beatable, in the other important clay tournaments, good luck to all.
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and nole won vs rafa at MC twice (2-2 in h2h!!!)! as fact, nole won vs rafa at ALL big tournaments here they met each other (never met at shanghai). rafa did not returned the favor!

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nadal has no wins vs nole at half HC slams and half HC masters (or 60% of HC masters there they met each other) AND the half of HC indoors big tournaments. out of 8 HC big tournaments there they played each other rafa never won vs nole at 5 of them (63%)! nole, of course, had won vs rafa at all big tournaments (except shanghai there they never met) including on clay! another reminder that nole was more successful vs rafa on clay than rafa vs him on HC is their respective h2h, 7-20 on HC vs 9-20 at CC. and the fact that they played more n clay than on HC speaks volume of the clay skewed h2h. 5 mathes at 2 HC slams vs 10 at the only CC slam and 12 matches at 6 HC masters vs 17 at 3 CC masters.
 
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NoleFam said:
Those are Nadal's only losses in MC? Lol, damn. That's ridiculous. Talk about slim pickings...
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DSH said:
Only his record of titles in Madrid (5) is beatable, in the other important clay tournaments, good luck to all.
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The Madrid one will be broken. It's 4 Madrids on clay which is the record. Alcaraz probably will be the 1st to break it. The others? No chance. Even with luck there's no chance.
 
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Shame Nadal didn't add more a couple more on Madrid clay . That's being greedy I guess lol
 
MC used to be his most dominant tournament. But since losing the 2013 final Nadal suddenly started playing absolutely horrible tennis in MC. Some of his worst performances on clay were there.
 
StrongRule said:
MC used to be his most dominant tournament. But since losing the 2013 final Nadal suddenly started playing absolutely horrible tennis in MC. Some of his worst performances on clay were there.
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Nadal won another 3 Monte Carlo titles in a row, in 2016, 2017 and 2018.
 
Nadal's only losses at Monte Carlo were:

2003: Coria in Round of 16
2013: Djokovic in Final
2014: Ferrer in Quarter Final
2015: Djokovic in Semi Final
2019: Fognini in Semi Final
2021: Rublev in Quarter Final

I believe Nadal finished at Monte Carlo with 73 wins and 6 losses, and winning the title there in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2016, 2017 and 2018.
 
StrongRule said:
Even in these ones, he didn't really play well. And the losses were VERY bad, especially in 2014 and 2019.
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Nadal didn't drop a set in winning 2018 Monte Carlo, dropped only 1 set in winning 2017 Monte Carlo. 2016 Monte Carlo was a bit tougher, but well deserved.

In the 2017 Monte Carlo semi final, there was that famous match against Goffin, where Nadal hit a ball long (which would have put Goffin 4-2 up in the first set), but the umpire Cedric Mourier inexplicably said that Nadal's shot was in. Nadal then won 6-3, 6-1.

 
Mustard said:
Nadal didn't drop a set in winning 2018 Monte Carlo, dropped only 1 set in winning 2017 Monte Carlo. 2016 Monte Carlo was a bit tougher, but well deserved.

In the 2017 Monte Carlo semi final, there was that famous match against Goffin, where Nadal hit a ball long (which would have put Goffin 4-2 up in the first set), but the umpire Cedric Mourier inexplicably said that Nadal's shot was in. Nadal then won 6-3, 6-1.

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I never got why this was such a big deal. It wasn’t like Goffin was serving for the set. All that happened was as the game went back to deuce. Pretty sure he had multiple game points after this too.
 
The Blond Blur said:
I never got why this was such a big deal. It wasn’t like Goffin was serving for the set. All that happened was as the game went back to deuce. Pretty sure he had multiple game points after this too.
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Goffin should have been 4-2 up in the first set after Nadal's ball was long, and instead the umpire inexplicably did a horrible overrule, the point was replayed, and Nadal won 6-3, 6-1.
 
6-1 6-3 6-0 said:
At Monte Carlo, one of the most prestigious Masters 1000 events on tour, Nadal has compiled a 44-1 record (a winning percentage of 97.8%), including 8 consecutive titles there since 2005 (a record). Nadal's last loss at Monte Carlo came in 2003 to Guillermo Coria (although in that tournament, he beat Albert Costa 7-5 6-3, the reigning French Open champion, at the tender age of 16). Nadal has beaten federer 3 times in the final and Djokovic twice in the final. Nadal is the only player in open era history to win 8 consecutive titles of any event, AND he did it at a Masters 1000. Nadal is on a 42-match winning streak at the event. In 2010, he dropped only 14 games in 5 matches (at 10 sets, that is 1.4 games per set on average). He also holds the record for fewest games lost in a Masters 1000 final (just one game). If Nadal wins Monte Carlo this year, he will be the first man in the open era to win a title 9 times (and do them consecutively, at a Masters 1000 event too).

At Roland Garros, Nadal has compiled a 52-1 record (a winning percentage of 98.1%), winning the title 7 times in total, making him the only 'slam king' on tour (he doesn't share the record for most titles with anyone else, he stands alone). He has two streaks of 4 titles ( 2005-2008 ) and 3 titles (2010-2012), being beaten in the 4R by Robin Soderling in 2009. Nadal has beaten Djokovic 4 times at the event (once in the final), and Nadal has beaten federer 5 times at the event (4 times in the final). In 2008, he dropped just 41 games (at 21 sets, that is 1.95 games per set on average). If Nadal wins Roland Garros this year, he'd be the first man in open era history to win the title 8 times, and the first man to win a slam 8 times. And if Nadal wins the titles in 2013-2014, he'd be the first man in world history to hold a 99% winning percentage at a slam.

Is Nadal harder to beat at Monte Carlo, or Roland Garros? :-P

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Hard to pick - In my opinion Absolute peak Nadal on clay was Monte Carlo in 2010 followed by Roland Garros in 2008. So he played amazingly at both venues.
 
StrongRule said:
MC used to be his most dominant tournament. But since losing the 2013 final Nadal suddenly started playing absolutely horrible tennis in MC. Some of his worst performances on clay were there.
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He definitely had a dip after that but that's how s happens sometime. At the same time we wouldn't have expected him to have won another 7 RG titles after that.
 
When Nadal was winning Monte Carlo 8 times in a row, it was a big deal when Nadal lost ANY match on clay, so he'd set his stall out in Monte Carlo in those years. In later years, it was no longer a huge deal when Nadal lost A match on clay unless it was at the French Open. In your prime, you have an empire and dominate everywhere, while in your later years you have to prioritize what matters most.
 
Mustard said:
Goffin should have been 4-2 up in the first set after Nadal's ball was long, and instead the umpire inexplicably did a horrible overrule, the point was replayed, and Nadal won 6-3, 6-1.
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I’m well aware of that…but again it’s not like that point decided the match or even the set.
 
NoleFam said:
After seeing us all in here bragging about these absurd numbers, you still want more?? That's just greed. LOL
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Don't really want more, just miss those times where our guys were SO CONSISTENT week in and week out and it was easy to be invested in these tournaments and losses were a big deal
 
Mustard said:
Nadal didn't drop a set in winning 2018 Monte Carlo, dropped only 1 set in winning 2017 Monte Carlo. 2016 Monte Carlo was a bit tougher, but well deserved.

In the 2017 Monte Carlo semi final, there was that famous match against Goffin, where Nadal hit a ball long (which would have put Goffin 4-2 up in the first set), but the umpire Cedric Mourier inexplicably said that Nadal's shot was in. Nadal then won 6-3, 6-1.

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This video reminded me of a very nasty poster who later posted a photo of Goffin's ankle twisting and writing the words - Run! Run!

Made me want to throw up.
 
Poisoned Slice said:
Before Lord Steward sorted him out.

Hell, even Lenny needed that Steward magic to sort him out. Definitely one of the goats.

Sorry for the offtopic. Full of joy at this moment. I guess enjoy while it lasts. :p
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Wladimir spoke about Manny in high regard as did Lewis. Rightly so.
 
Mustard said:
When Nadal was winning Monte Carlo 8 times in a row, it was a big deal when Nadal lost ANY match on clay, so he'd set his stall out in Monte Carlo in those years. In later years, it was no longer a huge deal when Nadal lost A match on clay unless it was at the French Open. In your prime, you have an empire and dominate everywhere, while in your later years you have to prioritize what matters most.
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2014 was the big shift from Nadal's overall clay season dominance to it being more focused around RG.
 
Hitman said:
2014 was the big shift from Nadal's overall clay season dominance to it being more focused around RG.
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Aye, although even in 2017 and 2018 Nadal could win 2 clay masters and then the French Open. That was the early years when Nadal was playing the new way aiming at shortening points, and was still just young enough in his early 30s.
 
Mustard said:
Nadal's only losses at Monte Carlo were:

2003: Coria in Round of 16
2013: Djokovic in Final
2014: Ferrer in Quarter Final
2015: Djokovic in Semi Final
2019: Fognini in Semi Final
2021: Rublev in Quarter Final

I believe Nadal finished at Monte Carlo with 73 wins and 6 losses, and winning the title there in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2016, 2017 and 2018.
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'Ombelibable' that guy named Nadal.
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