Which is harder to win, an ATP 250 or a Junior Grand Slam?

Which would be harder, to win an ATP 250 or to win a Junior Grand Slam.


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Which tournament would be harder to win, an ATP 250 or a Junior grand slam? I would guess that it would be an atp 250 because there are often one or two top ten players in the draw that would be a lot harder to beat than a junior grand slam champion.
 
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The answer is ATP 250. It’s not even close. The game really tapers off in those upper echelons and there is a vast gap between the two. For reference, someone who might win a junior slam would be from 13.2-13.9 I wanna say off the top of my head. It’s not a perfect range, like Sakamoto who won the AO this year was below 13.2 at the time I believe, but if I had to estimate an average range that’s it. Guys winning 250s are in the 15 UTRs, world class players. If you review past junior slam winners it’s a lot of big time tour players sure, but don’t misinterpret that.

There’s a lot of seasoning that usually goes on after that where you earn your stripes and get a better handle on the ropes, not just level wise but also the aspects of tennis as a professional occupation. The vast majority of JS winners lack the physicality and conditioning to hang across a 250. Granted, there are some really noteworthy specimens who are that gifted and developed, but only some. Anyway that’s just if they’re physically capable or not that’s not even getting into discussions of level.

I’ll say this, and no disrespect to him, but Kaylan Bigun won the junior French this year, and then lost R32 at Kalamazoo, which is 8 rounds. Lost a tight match to Johnston, a 12, on hard (not clay like the French). I could talk about how he’s been struggling to make it out of challenger qualifiers (if anyone says Vegas, pretty sure he got WC there), but don’t really need to because the above says everything that needs to be said. Nobody winning 250s or capable of winning 250s is losing 3rd round at Zoo’s, that’s just the truth.

The two crappiest 250s I could think of on the calendar this year were Cordoba and Hangzhou. Darderi won Cordoba, beating Baez who later won an ATP 500 in Brazil, and Cilic won Hangzhou. Cilic won the 2014 US Open. It’s way harder to win a 250. Thanks for the question, let me know if you have any more
 
What’s up buddy

The answer is ATP 250. It’s not even close. The game really tapers off in those upper echelons and there is a vast gap between the two. For reference, someone who might win a junior slam would be from 13.2-13.9 I wanna say off the top of my head. It’s not a perfect range, like Sakamoto who won the AO this year was below 13.2 at the time I believe, but if I had to estimate an average range that’s it. Guys winning 250s are in the 15 UTRs, world class players. If you review past junior slam winners it’s a lot of big time tour players sure, but don’t misinterpret that.

There’s a lot of seasoning that usually goes on after that where you earn your stripes and get a better handle on the ropes, not just level wise but also the aspects of tennis as a professional occupation. The vast majority of JS winners lack the physicality and conditioning to hang across a 250. Granted, there are some really noteworthy specimens who are that gifted and developed, but only some. Anyway that’s just if they’re physically capable or not that’s not even getting into discussions of level.

I’ll say this, and no disrespect to him, but Kaylan Bigun won the junior French this year, and then lost R32 at Kalamazoo, which is 8 rounds. Lost a tight match to Johnston, a 12, on hard (not clay like the French). I could talk about how he’s been struggling to make it out of challenger qualifiers (if anyone says Vegas, pretty sure he got WC there), but don’t really need to because the above says everything that needs to be said. Nobody winning 250s or capable of winning 250s is losing 3rd round at Zoo’s, that’s just the truth.

The two crappiest 250s I could think of on the calendar this year were Cordoba and Hangzhou. Darderi won Cordoba, beating Baez who later won an ATP 500 in Brazil, and Cilic won Hangzhou. Cilic won the 2014 US Open. It’s way harder to win a 250. Thanks for the question, let me know if you have any more
What’s up buddy

The answer is ATP 250. It’s not even close. The game really tapers off in those upper echelons and there is a vast gap between the two. For reference, someone who might win a junior slam would be from 13.2-13.9 I wanna say off the top of my head. It’s not a perfect range, like Sakamoto who won the AO this year was below 13.2 at the time I believe, but if I had to estimate an average range that’s it. Guys winning 250s are in the 15 UTRs, world class players. If you review past junior slam winners it’s a lot of big time tour players sure, but don’t misinterpret that.

There’s a lot of seasoning that usually goes on after that where you earn your stripes and get a better handle on the ropes, not just level wise but also the aspects of tennis as a professional occupation. The vast majority of JS winners lack the physicality and conditioning to hang across a 250. Granted, there are some really noteworthy specimens who are that gifted and developed, but only some. Anyway that’s just if they’re physically capable or not that’s not even getting into discussions of level.

I’ll say this, and no disrespect to him, but Kaylan Bigun won the junior French this year, and then lost R32 at Kalamazoo, which is 8 rounds. Lost a tight match to Johnston, a 12, on hard (not clay like the French). I could talk about how he’s been struggling to make it out of challenger qualifiers (if anyone says Vegas, pretty sure he got WC there), but don’t really need to because the above says everything that needs to be said. Nobody winning 250s or capable of winning 250s is losing 3rd round at Zoo’s, that’s just the truth.

The two crappiest 250s I could think of on the calendar this year were Cordoba and Hangzhou. Darderi won Cordoba, beating Baez who later won an ATP 500 in Brazil, and Cilic won Hangzhou. Cilic won the 2014 US Open. It’s way harder to win a 250. Thanks for the question, let me know if you have any more
Tennis is heaviest of the top heavy sport.
Juniors is just not in same realm
 
It's harder for a junior to win a junior GS than for an adult to win a 250.
There are 4 GS and 38 ATP 250.

If you talk about what is the highest level, then it's unfair to compare kids and adults. A junior GS winner is perhaps #400 in the world.
 
It's harder for a junior to win a junior GS than for an adult to win a 250.
There are 4 GS and 38 ATP 250.

If you talk about what is the highest level, then it's unfair to compare kids and adults. A junior GS winner is perhaps #400 in the world.
Nope
 
Yes. The best junior players play 1-2 GS per year which makes a junior GS very competitive for juniors.

A 250 doesn't have the best adult players.

Nicolai Budkov Kjær won Wimbledon for juniors. He"s #670.
Lol

My Indian Yuki Bhambari has won AO. He never reached R2 of a real slam. And never won a tour title.

Juniors is just to give the young players idea of what is to come next. But you can't compare that to real tennis.

250 has best adult players. Top 10 as high seed. Median is number 9 in the world.

While junior doesn't have ANY top seed. Your assertion that the ones winning junior slam are top seeds is completely wrong.
 
Lol

My Indian Yuki Bhambari has won AO. He never reached R2 of a real slam. And never won a tour title.

Juniors is just to give the young players idea of what is to come next. But you can't compare that to real tennis.

250 has best adult players. Top 10 as high seed. Median is number 9 in the world.

While junior doesn't have ANY top seed. Your assertion that the ones winning junior slam are top seeds is completely wrong.
I honestly think they kick out all the best people from here and only leave stupid people...

The Junior Tour Players of the Year award is given by Tennis Europe to the top-ranked European 14 and 16 & Under boys and girls at the end of the season. Here are some of the past winners:

Boys
  • 2023: Daniel Jade (France)
  • 2022: Martin Landaluce (Spain)
  • 2021: Arthur Fils (France)
  • 2020: Luca Musetti (Italy)
  • 2019: Holger Rune (Denmark)
  • 2018: Carlos Alcaraz (Spain)
  • 2017: Sebastian Korda (USA)
  • 2016: Alex De Minaur (Australia)
  • 2015: Andrey Rublev (Russia)
  • 2014: Stefanos Tsitsipas (Greece)
  • 2013: Borna Coric (Croatia)
  • 2012: Christian Garin (Chile)
  • 2011: Dominic Thiem (Austria)
  • 2010: Grigor Dimitrov (Bulgaria)
  • 2009: Denis Kudla (USA)
  • 2008: Milos Raonic (Canada)
  • 2007: Kei Nishikori (Japan)
  • 2006: Juan Martín del Potro (Argentina)
  • 2005: Gilles Simon (France)
  • 2004: Tommy Robredo (Spain)
  • 2003: Marcos Baghdatis (Cyprus)
  • 2002: Fernando Verdasco (Spain)
  • 2001: Novak Djokovic (Serbia)
  • 2000: Richard Gasquet (France)
  • 1999: Roger Federer (Switzerland)
  • 1998: Andy Roddick (USA)
 
I honestly think they kick out all the best people from here and only leave stupid people...

The Junior Tour Players of the Year award is given by Tennis Europe to the top-ranked European 14 and 16 & Under boys and girls at the end of the season. Here are some of the past winners:

Boys
  • 2023: Daniel Jade (France)
  • 2022: Martin Landaluce (Spain)
  • 2021: Arthur Fils (France)
  • 2020: Luca Musetti (Italy)
  • 2019: Holger Rune (Denmark)
  • 2018: Carlos Alcaraz (Spain)
  • 2017: Sebastian Korda (USA)
  • 2016: Alex De Minaur (Australia)
  • 2015: Andrey Rublev (Russia)
  • 2014: Stefanos Tsitsipas (Greece)
  • 2013: Borna Coric (Croatia)
  • 2012: Christian Garin (Chile)
  • 2011: Dominic Thiem (Austria)
  • 2010: Grigor Dimitrov (Bulgaria)
  • 2009: Denis Kudla (USA)
  • 2008: Milos Raonic (Canada)
  • 2007: Kei Nishikori (Japan)
  • 2006: Juan Martín del Potro (Argentina)
  • 2005: Gilles Simon (France)
  • 2004: Tommy Robredo (Spain)
  • 2003: Marcos Baghdatis (Cyprus)
  • 2002: Fernando Verdasco (Spain)
  • 2001: Novak Djokovic (Serbia)
  • 2000: Richard Gasquet (France)
  • 1999: Roger Federer (Switzerland)
  • 1998: Andy Roddick (USA)
When you create age limit then you remove best players

Juniors is just to give taste. It means absolutely nothing.
 
250 is hardest to win.
You need to go to your old school, walk straight into the principal office, slam the fist in the table, look the principal in the eyes and demand to get your school money back!

In junior GS tournaments the best from two years complete. In a 250 tournament the average player is from a 10-15 year span and in average they are around #50ish players.

There is no way your math adds up. You base it all on the fact that not all junior players make it to the top as adults and that atp has more value than junior tournaments, which is not the question here.
 
You need to go to your old school, walk straight into the principal office, slam the fist in the table, look the principal in the eyes and demand to get your school money back!

In junior GS tournaments the best from two years complete. In a 250 tournament the average player is from a 10-15 years span and in average they are around #50ish players.

There is no way your math adds up. You base it all on the fact that not all junior players make it to the top as adults and that atp has more value than junior rankings, which is not the question here.

You need to go do that. 250 is 100 times harder than juniors. Juniors does not give you atp points as far as I know.

250 gives 250.
 
Juniors is just a much, much tinier pool of players who are eligible and developed enough at the right age to compete in that particular tournament. It will never compete with the senior level, which is everyone much closer to full development, in any way - but definitely not by the time you get to the actual tour.

Example - Noah Rubin won junior Wimbledon, but didn’t develop, so peaked at 125. Players in 250s are harder to beat than that. Players who make it on tour have to improve significantly.
 
I honestly think they kick out all the best people from here and only leave stupid people...

The Junior Tour Players of the Year award is given by Tennis Europe to the top-ranked European 14 and 16 & Under boys and girls at the end of the season. Here are some of the past winners:

Boys
  • 2023: Daniel Jade (France)
  • 2022: Martin Landaluce (Spain)
  • 2021: Arthur Fils (France)
  • 2020: Luca Musetti (Italy)
  • 2019: Holger Rune (Denmark)
  • 2018: Carlos Alcaraz (Spain)
  • 2017: Sebastian Korda (USA)
  • 2016: Alex De Minaur (Australia)
  • 2015: Andrey Rublev (Russia)
  • 2014: Stefanos Tsitsipas (Greece)
  • 2013: Borna Coric (Croatia)
  • 2012: Christian Garin (Chile)
  • 2011: Dominic Thiem (Austria)
  • 2010: Grigor Dimitrov (Bulgaria)
  • 2009: Denis Kudla (USA)
  • 2008: Milos Raonic (Canada)
  • 2007: Kei Nishikori (Japan)
  • 2006: Juan Martín del Potro (Argentina)
  • 2005: Gilles Simon (France)
  • 2004: Tommy Robredo (Spain)
  • 2003: Marcos Baghdatis (Cyprus)
  • 2002: Fernando Verdasco (Spain)
  • 2001: Novak Djokovic (Serbia)
  • 2000: Richard Gasquet (France)
  • 1999: Roger Federer (Switzerland)
  • 1998: Andy Roddick (USA)

Grigor who won the USO Boys tournament in 2008 when he was 17 and then turned pro was the 2010 “Junior Tour Players of the Year award is given by Tennis Europe to the top-ranked European 14 and 16 & Under boys and girls at the end of the season.” That doesn’t add up.
 
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