TheTruth
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Can I get an example of one of my crazed and psychotic posts? I am stymied how some people say this, but never produce an example to justify it.
Which is more likely to happen in 2008, Nadal wins Wimbledon or Federer wins French?
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Can I get an example of one of my crazed and psychotic posts? I am stymied how some people say this, but never produce an example to justify it.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Calm down dh003i,yes some of the stuff we see here about Fed is ridiculous but there's no need for you to get worked up like that.In the end Fed did win USO and showed he's not done contending for the biggest titles.That's what bites them the most so look at all the crap they post from the bright side,if Fed wasn't still very much a danger and a great player they wouldn't bother posting all that stuff and trying to discredit his wins now would they? I don't even think that the true Nadal fans are that bad,the people I least respect on this forum are those Sampras fans masquerading as Nadal fans(I won't name them,they know who they are very well)while in fact the main reason they root for Nadal is that he's the biggest obstacle to Fed from breaking Pete's record.I respect Pete,he's a legend for me,always will be but I can't stand hypocrits,never could.
I wouldn't quite say he's neutral(he's biased about Fed,nothing wrong with that,I am as well)but respectable to Nadal? Definitely,I've seen him give Nadal credit countless times(most notably after the FO and Wimbledon finals)
Yeah,I agree that it's ridiculous.Only on an internet forum you can get people saying that player winning a slam final(a biggest achievement in tennis)is in any way embarassing(I wonder if some of these people have picked up a racquet EVER,granted I'm certainly not some good tennis player but atleast I love both playing and watching tennis).Oh and saying that the match that ended 9-7 in the fifth(that's about as close as a tennis match can get) was a done deal before it started,well as they say"no comment".
Now here we disagree,Nadal has already justified him being the best player this world IMO,he had an amazing year winning 2 slams,Olympics and 3 masters.He's the clear best player in the world IMO,there's no doubt about it. Even if he doesn't win another tourney this year,he's the best and no one can deny that.
However I do hope that Fed can score a win at TMC if he meets Nadal there to maybe get some confidence and improve that H2H,he stands a good chance to do so on an indoor HC IMO although Nadal is a dangerous player on any surface.
Nope,no one can.Even those who hate him deep down know that his amazing dominance in the last 4 years puts him in and elite group of best players who evern picked up a racquet(Laver,Sampras,Borg,Pancho Gonzales etc.)and that's what eats them inside.
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dh300i at least makes good contributions...all we here from the truth is pure trollery. he makes very little contribution in terms of analysis.
i dont think you read me clearly. i didnt say that nadal isn't #1 or is not deserving...but he certainly would not have justified or proved the #1 ranking at the tmc if he didnt win. There are plenty of places during the year where he did justify the rank. #1 is expected to win all the time anywhere and if he doesn't, for that tournament #1 was not justified...that's just fact.
this is esp true at the tmc where this is supposed to be best of the best...
i didn't discredit nadal anywhere but the fact is he hasn't lived up to his ranking so far at the tmc...that's just fact.
what he did was unreal everywhere else. credit to nadal, no doubt. he is a great player.
you need to read more of the truth, mungo, natural, slappano, cenc etc.
they actually believe all this BS that federer is only good because everyone else is terribly weak. Its like a one eyed man in the land of the blind.
the truth never fails to hate on federer both professionally and personally.
the truth...lol...if there was ever irony in an SN.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
It seems the truth really bothers you!
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the fact that you think that "it was a done deal" before it started. matches aren't played like that. nadal for sure didnt think so at 3-4 30-40 5th set...did he?
the fact that you said it was ridiculous that federer got taken to five set last year...its like you would do anything to discredit federer's victory citing a bunch of excuses for nadal's loss.
your hatred is sick. get help.
this is not the first post of yours either that is way-off base.
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yeah you do bother me.
I like to read others posts in threads but i always have to pass over your gibberish.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Yes I agree that dh300i is knowledgable about tennis and that he gives credit to Nadal.
Okay,agree with that.But even the number one player can't justify his ranking everywhere, everytime(for example how many times was Sampras seeded #1 at the FO but only reached one semifinal there in his whole career and had quite a few early exits).Indoor HC is maybe Nadal's worst surface(probably carpet is worse for him)so if he doesn't win there it still doesn't take away the fact that he has the best overall results this year and is the deservingly number one player this year.
But overall I get what you mean.
Agreed,he's a great player but he didn't reach TMC final for the last 3 years he was seeded number two so he didn't exactly live up to his ranking.Maybe he will this year,we'll find out.
I think Slappano is OK,he thinks Sampras is better but he gives plenty of credit to Fed as well(and doesn't make ridiculous excuses each time Fed wins,lucky,weak draw,oppoenent exhausted,choked etc. etc.) and Cenc is just a kid.
Don't be so arrogant to presume that your opinion is the absolute truth or a fact,it is merely an opinion by an internet poster.It may be your "truth" but it's most definitely isn't mine(and the same applies for many,many more people as well),I can think analyze things for myself and form my own opinion which is my "truth".
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
It's best we don't communicate.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Everyone has their own truth, Zagor. I do, you do, and so does everyone else. You kill me upholding these zealots on one hand and pretending to be so objective on the other hand. Later!
dh003i, you give credibility to him? OK, that says it all.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Then quit hunting me down because I don't agree with your position. How's that for crazed and psychotic. I didn't even know you existed on this board.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I never did say I was objective and unbiased,there are very few posters here that fit that description(Moose Malloy for example).
I said he is biased(he's a Fed fan)but he also gave full credit to Nadal after both winning Wimbledon and FO,I stand by that.
The sad thing was he was beaten by Federer so he couldn't have won it. And he won't have a better serve because he is not capable of it.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
No Nadal just did not believe, Nadal has proven how much he can out play Roger. Roger is a very very very lucky tennis player, the rain works in his favor all the time 2007, and not 2008.
If not for the rain Nadal would have won in 3 straight sets again.
But the fact remains they were wrong and we are right.
Clay lover
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Well, reality turns out to be as one sided as the poll, only what happened was the reverse.
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ThugNasty
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Nadal is a very very lucky tennis player, he got the number 1 ranking because federer got mono.
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why...are you feeling
for being exposed like the troll you are...?its ok i replied to few posts of yours in this thread. no problem
you have been spewing hate on federer for much longer - thousands of posts?.
if you want to bash federer that's fine, at least do it when it makes sense. now is not the time right after fed made you and all your cronies eat pie after the usopen...lol.
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ThugNasty
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:lol: they have officially sweeped the 2008 us open result under the rug.:lol:why...are you feeling
its ok i replied to few posts of yours in this thread. no problem
you have been spewing hate on federer for much longer - thousands of posts?.
if you want to bash federer that's fine, at least do it when it makes sense. now is not the time right after fed made you and all your cronies eat pie after the usopen...lol.
its so tough to survive on this board if ur not obsessed by federer
i just cant believe
i havent seen anything offensive in any of her posts (ever) and u all just keep attacking her without any serious reasons (also insulting)
what do you think about the following idea: open a fedfan forum, discuss with people that think same as you and dont come here, to the forum that is made to see different opinions to insult everyone who doesnt like federer
do you guys want me to open a forum for you? i would be glad if i could help you, and i would be even happier to help all others who get poisoned by your posts
why...are you feeling
its ok i replied to few posts of yours in this thread. no problem
you have been spewing hate on federer for much longer - thousands of posts?.
if you want to bash federer that's fine, at least do it when it makes sense. now is not the time right after fed made you and all your cronies eat pie after the usopen...lol.
i bet that in 140/148 posts u have posted so far you used a word troll
it says a lot about you
and yes u really managed to ashame everyone on this forum, people get ashamed because they are same species as you
laugh is healthy
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I agree. Slappano is a good poster too. Just stating his opinion.
Honestly, like whoever you want, but the constant bashing of any player I think is unnecessary. Especially jumping on them for everything they say. Though, if it is a player I don't like either, i'm a bit more tolerant of the bashing, but still, a lot of times it's unnecessary. You know who you guys are (fed fans, nadal fans, etc)
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
It's a numbers game, Cenc. They say what they want to say and go after everyone who doesn't like Federer. You're right, there are no offensive or insulting posts coming from me. It's the simple truth that they can't stand. Not one of them in over two years has ever been able to produce an insulting post of mine, yet they persist in their accusations and gangbanging. But it doesn't bother me. Truth is a comfort and I can only pity those who despise it.
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It can go the same for Fed fans.
People are always picking apart what he says and what not.
A lot of it depends on who's hot, who's not. It has resurged a bit against Federer after the US open win, and it also meant open season on Nadal.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Amazing poll results! Unbelievable how wrong people have been! Despite the fact everything pointed to the opposite happening: Fed was not gaining ground on Rafa at RG and Rafa had been very close to a win in Wimby in 2007. I'd say we have the same situation in 2009, lots of people here think Federer will recover the W title in 2009 but I think it's more likely Nadal will keep the title. It's funny how Rafa's talent on grass is still grossly underrated...
TheTruth
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That's not what we're talking about, Mansewerz. We're talking about how Fed Fans have a tendency to try to ostracize posters who don't worship Fed. Cenc is confused about all the irrational hatred from Fed Fans. Seeing that she has eyes and a brain she's trying to figure out why they keep trying to target me, especially since it's a public forum where people have a right to their own opinion. She hasn't been here that long, but long enough that the constant and uncalled for name calling (troll, idiot, moron, etc.) seems to bother her.
That's what we were discussing. I don't understand what your post is about, nor why you're addressing it to me.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I disagree about the master cup and Nadal not living up to his ranking. First I don't think that tournament is as important as a slam, I see it more like a year end exhibition tournament to showcase the best players, its format is very unusual. They do not play it on an "intermediate" surface that would be neutral for all types of players, they play it on very fast indoor, so yes guess who that favors? Nadal has only played it twice so far 2006 and 2007 (he was injured in 2005 and withdrew). Both times he got eliminated by Federer in the semis. I don't think it's a bad result for a #2 to have been beaten twice by the # 1. Federer was beaten by #2 way more often in several tournaments.
zagor
Bionic Poster
The last time TMC was played on a fast surface was in 2005(when Nalbandian won it).Last year it was a medium-slow indoor HC(which suits Federer just the same),no way it was even close to very fast(few tournaments are very fast,even fast these days).
No tourney is as important as a slam.But IMO TMC is in no way an exhibition,for me it ranks above masters but below slams and Olympics(that's just for me not saying everybody sees it that way).
No but the reason Nadal had to play Fed already in the semis(instead in the final)is because he finished second in his group to Ferrer last year and Blake in 2006.Regardless,overall I agree with you,you can't expect from a number one player in the world to live up to his ranking in every tourney(Fed and Sampras never did at the FO and most clay masters for example although Fed did a whole lot better there than Sampras),no one can dominate every surface or every tournament.
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I understand that.
What i'm saying is that the disrespect to a player's fans goes both ways.
Nadal's fans do it too, and often make unnecessary, immature comments. Whenever someone says they respect Federer and they think he is classy they go on a rant as if to correct you and say you're opinion is false.
And Cenc is a chick?
I'd say the only ones doing the under-rating are those who say it's likely Nadal will retain the Wimbledon title next year against Federer in the finals (although if Federer doesn't make the finals, I do think it's likely Nadal will retain the title if he makes the finals). You guys act as if he isn't one of the best-ever on grass, and are effectively elevating Nadal to that status, which I have to say is delusional.
That isn't a knock on Nadal, but he isn't up there with Sampras, Federer, and Borg as arguably the best ever and greatest ever on grass. I'd predict that Nadal, by the end of his career, will have at least as many slams as Lendl, but not more than Borg (8-11).
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definitely not.
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ThugNasty
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Nowadays winning a match 97 in the fifth set over his older opponent is enough to elevate a player to the status of the legends of the game.
veroniquem
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3 W finals in a row is delusional? You're the ones who kept saying that Nadal would never win W and you were wrong and if you think Nadal somehow will never win another W, you're wrong again, which was the entire point of my previous post as to Nadal's abilities on grass being underrated by a lot of people.
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I find it funny when people say Fed will win it next year on the basis of he's 'already won 5 in a row' and is a great on grass. People also forget that he'll nearly be 28 come next wimbledon and his peak years have clearly gone. Do you really expect him to have the 04-06 form in 09? Delusional. Nadal is improving on grass at a very impressive rate even from last year.
Do you really expect Nadal to continue on 2008 form? Delusional, given his playing style. Federer at 28 will have less injury issues than Nadal at 22. Federer's style of play causes little strain on him, and he's hardly ever winded.
To have more years like 04-06, probably not. More years like '07, certainly. '08 was quite clearly a down-year for him, although he turned it around in the end by finding form and winning the USO. Expect him to return to form next year.
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^But Nadal dosen't really get tired during the first half of the season (Aus - End of Wimby) so i don't think that will matter much. It's the second half that he always seems to struggle at. And Nadal can continue 08 form, just don't expect much in the second half of the season imo. It would be too close to call though if it was 08 Nadal v 07 Federer.
jackson vile
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Actually he has to be the luckiest man in hisotry as Roger's mono has seemed to last almost a whole entire year!!!!!!!!!
And we know how crappy Nadal's head to head was and how crapy Nadal plays on grass..................:roll:
And then magico presto Roger was all of a sudden feeling better after and easy draw and a final against Murray. Wow how about that;-)
Nothing comparable to all the times Roger was about to lose and rain came pouring down, no no no, nothing at all.
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Yup he is, mono had other indirect effects. Federer missed a couple of months of practice and instead of practicing attended tournaments when he wasnt ready to protect his ranking, Nadal took his god given opportunity and became number 1. Funny thing is, murray kicked nadals ass at the open and you talk about him as if he is garbage. Nadal was the number 1 player but he couldnt even reach the final and got knocked out by the 6th seed :lol: Just goes to show federer at his best can knock out all of his competition and hilarious thing is before the US open many of you clowns were singing that this is going to be one of the "Most open grand slams in a while" "Federer wont make the Final" "Its gonna come down to djokovic and nadal" blah blah. Look what happened, Federer won while the amazing No. 1 nadal got his ass handed to him.
I'm not under-rating his abilities on grass, but he isn't as good as Federer on grass, who's one of the best-ever. There are plenty of guys more talented on grass than Nadal who won only 1 Wimbledon, or even none; Rafter with 0, for example; Ivanisevic and Krajicek with 1.
The fact is, Federer is just better, so to expect Nadal to continue winning over him at Wimbledon is delusional. Federer isn't that old yet. If Nadal can last long enough to have a run at Wimbledon after Federer is done, he'll probably win several more.
But most of the slams I predict Nadal will have when he is retired will be from the FO, maybe a few AO's.
PS: Regarding my predictions, I can only predict regarding current surfaces, I am not trying to predict what the tourneys will do with their surfaces. Wimbledon has changed even over the last four years, becoming slower and higher-bouncing. The higher-bouncing in particular helps Nadal considerably.
actually i can agree with both dh003i and veroniquem
i agree that nadal can keep winning on grass and that he he has 99% of chance to take another wimbledon in next 3-4 years
and he is not much worse than federer on todays grass, its slow, high bouncing
similar to clay so nadal is excellent there
federer is getting older and older, slower and slower so its hard to expect him to take in 2009 things he couldnt take in 2008
about comparing nadal to krajicek or ivanišević
well depends, nadal is definitely better claycourter than both krajicek and ivanišević (of course rafter too)
so on todays grass nadal would have big chances, i guess he would win about 50% of matches
but on good old grass he obviously wouldnt have a chance to do anything against them
these guys were just unlucky becuase they played in the same era as greatest grasscourter ever (and arguably greatest player ever) so they just couldnt take more, they were not good enough to beat sampras, krajicek however managed to do that once and that makes him wimbledon legend
ivanišević won just 1 wimby, lost 2 finals to sampras, 1 to agassi
on old grass, nadal wouldnt have a chance to beat federer though
fed who won wimby in 03 showed that even on way faster grass he could be in top 3-5 grasscourters
on slower grass, nadal is unbelievably dangerous for anyone, doesnt matter if its federer, sampras, rafter or karol beck
i agree that nadal can keep winning on grass and that he he has 99% of chance to take another wimbledon in next 3-4 years
and he is not much worse than federer on todays grass, its slow, high bouncing
similar to clay so nadal is excellent there
federer is getting older and older, slower and slower so its hard to expect him to take in 2009 things he couldnt take in 2008
about comparing nadal to krajicek or ivanišević
well depends, nadal is definitely better claycourter than both krajicek and ivanišević (of course rafter too)
so on todays grass nadal would have big chances, i guess he would win about 50% of matches
but on good old grass he obviously wouldnt have a chance to do anything against them
these guys were just unlucky becuase they played in the same era as greatest grasscourter ever (and arguably greatest player ever) so they just couldnt take more, they were not good enough to beat sampras, krajicek however managed to do that once and that makes him wimbledon legend
ivanišević won just 1 wimby, lost 2 finals to sampras, 1 to agassi
on old grass, nadal wouldnt have a chance to beat federer though
fed who won wimby in 03 showed that even on way faster grass he could be in top 3-5 grasscourters
on slower grass, nadal is unbelievably dangerous for anyone, doesnt matter if its federer, sampras, rafter or karol beck
Oh boohoohoo.
A lot of jerks in here have been discreting Nadal's Wimbledon victory as well. So what? Those sort of comments are made by people who can't stand to see another top player (other than own their favorite top player) earn his spot in the sunshine.
Fed did win Wimbledon 2007 and Rafa did win in 2008. That's all that counts.
There's a lot of misplaced jealousy and fan base wars going on in this forum, not just about Federer. In fact, Federer is the most worshipped in here.
Nadal reached the SF in both the AO and in the USO and he's won the gold medal in the Olympics. For him, those are better results on hardcourts than he's had in previous seasons. So, it's not wrong to say that he had his best season (only looking at his personal results) on hard courts.
People on Talk Tennis have been saying such things since 2005.
"Do you really expect Nadal to continue in this way in 2006? Delusional given his playing style".
I don't think that he will play far into his 30s (but he started playing at a high level at 16) but he has a reasonable amount of good years ahead of him, I think.
No reason to discredit Nadal's Wimby victory either, it took a monumental effort by him and some astounding tennis.
Certainly, Nadal's had his best year on HC this year, but I still think it's ridiculous to argue he had the best year on HC among the ATP. That's either Federer or Djokovic. Nadal is #3 on HC this year. If he wins the AO next year, and doesn't do anything on HC next year, that'll be a better HC year for him than this year.
As for his longevity, I don't think many have been predicting year after-year imminent collapse the next year. But his injury problems have been persistent, and it's just common sense that that will mean a shorter career. Borg was burned out when he was 25, and he had a very similar playing style to Nadal.
A shorter career? Perhaps, yes. But some in here are claiming that he's not going to repeat his 2008 because he wouldn't be able to endure it for another year. This is nonsense IMO.
He's been able to repeat a very tough clay court season at a very high level for years and he's had succesful runs at Wimbledon for 3 years now for example. The physical problems he has seem to be mostly occuring on hardcourts.
As far as I can tell, Borg has a totally different character as Nadal, though, which is a big influence. I don't think that you can compare totally those two.
As far as injuries are concerned. Well, I don't think that he's going to be playing until he pushes 40. I'm guessing that if he'll probably aim for 30 or so (given the fact that he's been playing at a high level from the age of 16).
I don't quite get why people get so hang-up on his injuries. He has not had an injury this year for example. (blisters but that does not count). Sure, he had some problems but compare his injuries with what others of his age (or close to his age) have had: Murray has had his problems, Novak had his problems, Gasquet has had his share of injuries, Tsonga has more than his share,...
We'll see.
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jackson vile
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Funny you bring this up how many times has Roger lost to Murray, even at his best LOL
Roger was given the easiest draw out of the whole USO, must be nice?
Roger is #2 and needs to get used to it, and so do you.
You better pray that Roger's mono doesn't mysteriously attack him in the final again at the AO LOL
Roger's luck will run out, time is a ticking and everyone else is getting better.
Nadal will have to say sorry to Roger many more times next year as he feels sorry for him.
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Screw that everyone else is getting more opportunities. Roger is entering the older years as a tennis pro. Nadal is just lucky that he got the number 1 ranking in the year where federer got mono and was simply out of his prime. Good for nadal i hope he can bag some HC slams now that federer isnt the same guy anymore. Btw Murray may have beaten federer, but he never beat him on a big stage such as a grand slam.
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How is he out of touch. Oh ofcourse because nadal won both HC slams this year :lol:. Grand Slams is what matters.
