Which is the greater feat: Djokovic's Double Golden Masters or Nadal's Double Masters La Decima?

Greated feat?


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UnforcedTerror

Hall of Fame




According to @USO, Nadal is now the Masters king thanks to the double la decimas. I disagree but lets see what others think.

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Devtennis01

Legend
Both records have the asterisks of neither having ATGs coming after them to stop them achieving their records. By the time Djokovic got round to winning Cincy, there should have been a couple of guys in their early 20s saying 'hold on old boy, go and get your pension.'
 

Winners or Errors

Hall of Fame
I can see someone coming along and winning all of the Masters twice. I can't imagine anyone doing what Nadal has done on clay. That said, we'll see when either record is equaled. I don't think either guy is done winning.
 

USO

Hall of Fame
According to that guy, Djokovic is an overrated unattractive unpopular untalented loser

What else is there to discuss?
Overrated: definitely by his fans, he's 3rd in his own era in the slam race and his fans act as if he's the best
Unattractive: definitely less attractive than Fedal
Unpopular: definitely less popular than Fedal, barely gets crowd support outside of Serbia
Untalented: I never said that
Loser: I never said that

So I will have to add instead of Untalented and Loser:

Reckless: His behavior on court is violent (breaking rackets, screaming at people, abusing balls) and his words to the media are reckless (criticizing countries, disrespecting social distancing, etc.)
 

Nole Slam

Legend
Overrated: definitely by his fans, he's 3rd in his own era in the slam race and his fans act as if he's the best
Unattractive: definitely less attractive than Fedal
Unpopular: definitely less popular than Fedal, barely gets crowd support outside of Serbia
Untalented: I never said that
Loser: I never said that

So I will have to add instead of Untalented and Loser:

Reckless: His behavior on court is violent (breaking rackets, screaming at people, abusing balls) and his words to the media are reckless (criticizing countries, disrespecting social distancing, etc.)
@MichaelNadal finds Djokovic more attractive than Nadal.
 

Nole Slam

Legend
One look at the pictures posted in this thread and everyone could see that Nadal is much more attractive than Djokovic. Nadal has lost some of his looks but in his prime it wasn't even close.
I can't really tell. All I know is that even Nadal fans are more attracted to Djokovic.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic's golden masters is the equivalent of a career slam. He's won all the titles. Now it's up to people to rate if it's more important to collect them all, or win a specific title alot.

IMO, Djokovic's feat is greater.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Overrated: definitely by his fans, he's 3rd in his own era in the slam race and his fans act as if he's the best
Unattractive: definitely less attractive than Fedal
Unpopular: definitely less popular than Fedal, barely gets crowd support outside of Serbia
Untalented: I never said that
Loser: I never said that

So I will have to add instead of Untalented and Loser:

Reckless: His behavior on court is violent (breaking rackets, screaming at people, abusing balls) and his words to the media are reckless (criticizing countries, disrespecting social distancing, etc.)
Predicting he will lose to every single player, and saying he only wins when he lucks out IS calling him a loser. You have always pointed to that fact that Novak is a loser in your statements.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Overrated: definitely by his fans, he's 3rd in his own era in the slam race and his fans act as if he's the best
Unattractive: definitely less attractive than Fedal
Unpopular: definitely less popular than Fedal, barely gets crowd support outside of Serbia
Untalented: I never said that
Loser: I never said that

So I will have to add instead of Untalented and Loser:

Reckless: His behavior on court is violent (breaking rackets, screaming at people, abusing balls) and his words to the media are reckless (criticizing countries, disrespecting social distancing, etc.)
I don't know why you have to be so disrespectful all the time? I get it if you throw a jab from time to time, we all do that from time to time for fun, I do it too, but you dedicate all your time to denigrate one player with malicious intent. I just don't get it.
 

USO

Hall of Fame
Predicting he will lose to every single player, and saying he only wins when he lucks out IS calling him a loser. You have always pointed to that fact that Novak is a loser in your statements.
2,600+ posts and 4,000+ likes. I'm just giving what the public wants to hear. :unsure:
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
2,600+ posts and 4,000+ likes. I just give what the public wants. :unsure:
So goes back to my original response to the OP...according to USO....lol why would someone who calls Djokovic a loser in every post ever give any weight to his accolades? OP should know better.
 

mahesh69a

Semi-Pro
2,600+ posts and 4,000+ likes. I'm just giving what the public wants to hear. :unsure:
Your relentless hatred toward Djokovic in a forum full of Fedal fanboys and biased/idiotic mods is a great sacrifice indeed ... we all thank you for your service - so stunning and brave !!!
 
Djokovic's golden masters is the equivalent of a career slam. He's won all the titles. Now it's up to people to rate if it's more important to collect them all, or win a specific title alot.

IMO, Djokovic's feat is greater.
This.

People talk about it being a weak era, but the reality is it is a weak clay era with only Nadal being greater than Djokovic on clay. Winning clay over and over is impressive but just further confirms that Nadal is a clay specialist in a weak clay era. If Nadal really wants to build on his resume, he needs to win more grass and hardcourt slams and Masters 1000 and YE championships. Other than an occasional Canadian Masters on their high bouncing courts, I think it is unlikely he does any of those.

Clay GOAT, not ultimate GOAT unless his resume becomes more rounded. Of course, there will be Nadal apologists who will always point to something that makes their guy the GOAT (including winning 10 tournaments at clay events, which actually weakens his case for GOAT) even if Djokovic ties him in slam counts, but players, coaches, and professional commentators can see that more than 70% of his tournament wins are on clay and the percentage is going higher each time he wins a clay event and doesn't get beyond the QF like at AO.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
No,

2 decimas = 2 x 10 = 20 and a double masters = 2 x 9 = 18

20 > 18. :giggle:
Honestly, I don't like your posts, as I have way too much respect for the players - and for the game - to wade through all the nonsensical vitriol.
I will give you credit here for a clever way to get in your 20 > 18 line.
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As for the OP, both are very impressive.
 

ibbi

Legend
The Djokovic thing is a little whack considering the second Cincinnati wasn't played anywhere near the state of Ohio. If Nadal comes and wins a tennis match on the grass in my back garden it doesn't mean he won Wimbledon.

The fact that he won them all once is pretty epic in itself, but when you consider it takes a minimum of 10 years to achieve what Nadal has done, while Novak's feat can technically be accomplished (or matched. It'd take Novak I think 5 years to match Rafa's feat.) in 2 I think that tips the scale pretty clearly in one direction.
 

Apollo17

Semi-Pro
This.

People talk about it being a weak era, but the reality is it is a weak clay era with only Nadal being greater than Djokovic on clay. Winning clay over and over is impressive but just further confirms that Nadal is a clay specialist in a weak clay era. If Nadal really wants to build on his resume, he needs to win more grass and hardcourt slams and Masters 1000 and YE championships. Other than an occasional Canadian Masters on their high bouncing courts, I think it is unlikely he does any of those.

Clay GOAT, not ultimate GOAT unless his resume becomes more rounded. Of course, there will be Nadal apologists who will always point to something that makes their guy the GOAT (including winning 10 tournaments at clay events, which actually weakens his case for GOAT) even if Djokovic ties him in slam counts, but players, coaches, and professional commentators can see that more than 70% of his tournament wins are on clay and the percentage is going higher each time he wins a clay event and doesn't get beyond the QF like at AO.
Djokovic fans shouldn't be complaining about the clay field considering that the grass field is even worse than that, just saying.
 

Beckerserve

Legend




According to @USO, Nadal is now the Masters king thanks to the double la decimas. I disagree but lets see what others think.

Vote and discuss.
I personally think La Decima as it is something say 20 years ago we would say is impossible. Winning each masters twice while an incredible feat is realistic for a player who is at the top of the game consistently over a 5 to 6 year period.
Winning 10 titles at one event let alone two i would have said was impossible.
 
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Djokovic's golden masters is the equivalent of a career slam. He's won all the titles. Now it's up to people to rate if it's more important to collect them all, or win a specific title alot.

IMO, Djokovic's feat is greater.
Not all masters are equal. Paris usually has a weak field of players. Even an ATP 500 like Barcelona gathers more top tens sometimes.
 

GabeT

Legend
The Djokovic thing is a little whack considering the second Cincinnati wasn't played anywhere near the state of Ohio. If Nadal comes and wins a tennis match on the grass in my back garden it doesn't mean he won Wimbledon.

The fact that he won them all once is pretty epic in itself, but when you consider it takes a minimum of 10 years to achieve what Nadal has done, while Novak's feat can technically be accomplished (or matched. It'd take Novak I think 5 years to match Rafa's feat.) in 2 I think that tips the scale pretty clearly in one direction.
would you rate winning 4 Wimbledons in a row higher than winning the CYGS?
 

GabeT

Legend
Not hard this. 9 M1000s. 3 surfaces. Have 3 on each surface!!! I mean so simple!
Problem is there really aren’t 3 surfaces. The main surface of the pro tour is HC. About 70% or so. Grass is down to one key tournament.

I get many don’t like this but it’s how tennis is played today.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Problem is there really aren’t 3 surfaces. The main surface of the pro tour is HC. About 70% or so. Grass is down to one key tournament.

I get many don’t like this but it’s how tennis is played today.
It has to change as otherwise we will end up with automons who just have huge serves and a plus one.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer would be in conversation for having the most MS1000 had there were 3 MS1000 on his favorite surface - grass.
 
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ibbi

Legend
would you rate winning 4 Wimbledons in a row higher than winning the CYGS?
Probably not, but then 4 years is nowhere close to 10. I’d probably take winning 8 straight slams over winning Wimbledon 8 years in a row, sure, but even that’d be fairly close. Context does matter, of course, you can throw allegations of weak era or whatnot at anything accomplished in a smaller window of time.

In this instance Djokovic obviously didn’t accomplish this feat in a small window of time, but it’s still a fair bit smaller. The fact is there are guys relatively closer to matching his feat than to matching Nadal’s, and that’s really what makes the difference in my eyes.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
The Djokovic thing is a little whack considering the second Cincinnati wasn't played anywhere near the state of Ohio. If Nadal comes and wins a tennis match on the grass in my back garden it doesn't mean he won Wimbledon.

The fact that he won them all once is pretty epic in itself, but when you consider it takes a minimum of 10 years to achieve what Nadal has done, while Novak's feat can technically be accomplished (or matched. It'd take Novak I think 5 years to match Rafa's feat.) in 2 I think that tips the scale pretty clearly in one direction.
But it was played at an event he's supposedly not that good at either.

2020 Cincy was more about the lack of competition than the venue change. Do you actually believe Milos or RBA were going to beat him if they played in Cincinnati instead?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
how many masters 1000 titles has djokovic won playing best of 5 finals?
Just the one, his very first : 2007 Miami (which he won in straights). After that, all the M1000 events moved to best of 3 inaugurating an unfortunate trend which has resulted in all tournaments now playing best of 3 with the sole current exception of the Slams.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Federer finally caved in and allowed him to usurp his 1 remaining throne!
Federer also really shouldn't have even been in that final. But Nadal didn't play, Murray was dead, Stan was a shell of himself. Just a bad tournament all around.

Novak didn't even play that well. I remember he easily could've lost early to Dimitrov and I think Raonic had a good look at him too.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Federer also really shouldn't have even been in that final. But Nadal didn't play, Murray was dead, Stan was a shell of himself. Just a bad tournament all around.

Novak didn't even play that well. I remember he easily could've lost early to Dimitrov and I think Raonic had a good look at him too.
Just 2 of the endless examples of Djokovic hunkering down, staying the course and ultimately out-smarting mentally weaker opponents who couldn't take advantage of their opportunities. :cool:
 
"Golden" Masters is not golden - such a silly pompous name. Can we be more enlightened and use the technically proper term "Career Masters Set"? (cf. Career Boxed Set)

Anyway, 2x10 is greater than 2x9, both 'numerically' and for standing taller over the next best. (Lendl won the late 80s set.)
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Let's be serious, Djokovic has one Cincy title lol. Same slot =/= Same masters
Correction: Djokovic has one Cincy title played in Cincy and one Cincy title played in NYC. Same slot comparison would be like trying to compare Madrid Masters with Shanghai, or Madrid with Hamburg.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Correction: Djokovic has one Cincy title played in Cincy and one Cincy title played in NYC. Same slot comparison would be like trying to compare Madrid Masters with Shanghai, or Madrid with Hamburg.
Don't see the difference lol. But maybe I'm just slow today.
 
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