Death Master
Banned
which slam is the single most difficult slam to win from your very own vantage point?
you have the floor.
have at it and have fun.
you have the floor.
have at it and have fun.
which is the single most difficult slam to win
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monfed
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Depends what you mean by difficult.
Death Master
Banned
I will just go ahead and place my entry then:
it is pretty easy for me to see with my own eyes too but most players say that RG is the hardest to win.
I think the players are right.
it is pretty easy for me to see with my own eyes too but most players say that RG is the hardest to win.
I think the players are right.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
You mean because Nadal made it so? Prior to Nadal, RG had more one time winners (players who never won anything else) than any other Slam!
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monfed
Guest
That's because of Nadal, but if he wasn't around it would've been easier than AO/Wimb/USO. Traditionally,RG and Wimbledon are locked up in terms of difficulty to win ,but I give the edge to Wimbledon because shotmaking has a higher premium to get the big W in the big W slam!
Death Master
Banned
nadal did not stop Connors, john newcombe, johnny mac, pete Sampras, Edberg, Hewitt, and about a million other all time great ones who died trying to win RG.
nice excuse.
what else have you got?
nice excuse.
what else have you got?
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monfed
Guest
Good point, the point I was trying to get across in my post.
Another view is that ,legends like Pete Sampras,Edberg,Becker,Mcenroe couldn't win RG coz it was hard for them as it didn't suit their style,just saying.
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monfed
Guest
RG is the hardest to win for anyone not named Nadal, but for Nadal it's easy peasy no? So if Ralph finds it easy it must be easy no? :lol:
Death Master
Banned
that is why "your real #1" has 6 RG crowns already and counting.
are you dreaming in Technicolor at least?
what are you drinking tonight? better ditch that thunderbird stuff found at flea infested convenience stores.
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Death Master
Banned
"just saying"?
better just step aside and let me the damn talking then.
"just saying" aint going to cut the mustard here today.
Chico
Banned
You are a nice guy DM, but you have turned to the dark side. Posting junk like this, calling the most awful Djokovic haters "cool posters" and commending them, ...
Expected better from you to be honest, but it looks like the last ban made you bitter and unreasonable.
Oh well. Enjoy.
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I think probably the AO because all the players are fresh and raring to go at the beginning of a new season and all of them want to make as big an impact as possible. Also because it's played on hardcourt where the competition is deeper although I think any tournament where you have to win 7 best of 5 set matches is very difficult.
Death Master
Banned
now how the hell would I know who likes who? I DO NOt READ 98% of the posts here.
incognito treats me kindly and that is all I was trying to say.
I have no idea who he or she likes. and I also don't give damn.
they are all people you know. they have the right to like and dislike whatever the hell they please. it is their life.
nole is not hurting for fans but you might be hurting for a sandwich.
go steal one and then come on back. no shame in it. I stole my last 11 sandwiches.
and relax chico. you know I have a place built specially for you at Camelot. you will always be welcome there.
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Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
RG - widely considered the most physically demanding tennis tournament in the world.
Since 2005, it's become even harder to win because of Nadal.
In the last 7-8 years, I'd say the US Open has been the easiest slam to win with Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro all winning it at least once.
Wimbledon would be the 2nd easiest slam to win in last few years. Nadal, Federer have won it multiple times. Djokovic and Murray have both won it once.
Since 2005, it's become even harder to win because of Nadal.
In the last 7-8 years, I'd say the US Open has been the easiest slam to win with Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro all winning it at least once.
Wimbledon would be the 2nd easiest slam to win in last few years. Nadal, Federer have won it multiple times. Djokovic and Murray have both won it once.
Death Master
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sundaypunch
Hall of Fame
Is one really more difficult than any other? They have similar draws and each has a single winner every year. They become more difficult for individuals based on how the surface matches up with their game.
Bud
Bionic Poster
Look what it took for Federer and Serena (2 of the best players in the last 15 years) to win RG. Venus got a sniff at the title, once in 2002.
Death Master
Banned
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
For me, wimbledon. For the very simple fact that it's fast, and guys can get hot and hit even the best players off the court. And there's always a guy who's on in the tournament, so the chances of upsets, to me, are much higher.
Therefore, to me, it's the hardest to win. RG is most physically demanding, Wimbledon most difficult to achieve.
Therefore, to me, it's the hardest to win. RG is most physically demanding, Wimbledon most difficult to achieve.
all of them are equally hard; you have to win 7 matches and be the best in a 128 player draw. But historically, not as many of the good players played french open and especially asutralian, so historically, it would go
wimbledon
us open
french open
australian open.
But now it's pretty equal.
wimbledon
us open
french open
australian open.
But now it's pretty equal.
rufus_smith
Professional
JMO and you may disagree but you could rank them like this:
1. Golden Slam
2. Grand Slam
3. Body slam
4. Head slam
5. Poetry slam
6. Slama Jama
7. Slam dunk
8. Slam bang
9. Slam dance
10. Slam sandwich
1. Golden Slam
2. Grand Slam
3. Body slam
4. Head slam
5. Poetry slam
6. Slama Jama
7. Slam dunk
8. Slam bang
9. Slam dance
10. Slam sandwich
RoddickAce
Hall of Fame
1) Difficulty of winning a tournament is relative to the players in the draw. The objective is to beat other players, and that is where the difficulty derives from. One can claim that RG is the most physically demanding to win, but unless one factors in the draw, ie: Nadal dominating there, then it really isn't any harder than any other slam.
For example, for any given player in a draw, which is harder to win? RG with Bernard Tomic as the #1 seed, or say, any random hard court ATP 250 event with Djokovic, Nadal, Murray and Federer playing? Sure, it is more physically demanding for the player to win RG, but he needs to beat Tomic who will be facing the same physically demanding conditions. In the ATP 250 event, sure it is less physically demanding, but that means the player will have to deal with Djokovic, Nadal, Murray and Federer, who will also be exposed to that less physically demanding condition.
2) Now let's isolate it based on the same draw. If a RG draw had 128 clones of Nadal playing, and Wimbledon had 128 clones of Nadal playing, which tournament is harder to win for any given clone of Nadal? The difficulty is the same. RG may be more physically demanding, but that doesn't mean it is harder to win, it just means that the skill set required for a RG winner demands more physical endurance. In contrast, winning Wimbledon will require more finesse which is a different skill set that is also difficult to master.
For example, for any given player in a draw, which is harder to win? RG with Bernard Tomic as the #1 seed, or say, any random hard court ATP 250 event with Djokovic, Nadal, Murray and Federer playing? Sure, it is more physically demanding for the player to win RG, but he needs to beat Tomic who will be facing the same physically demanding conditions. In the ATP 250 event, sure it is less physically demanding, but that means the player will have to deal with Djokovic, Nadal, Murray and Federer, who will also be exposed to that less physically demanding condition.
2) Now let's isolate it based on the same draw. If a RG draw had 128 clones of Nadal playing, and Wimbledon had 128 clones of Nadal playing, which tournament is harder to win for any given clone of Nadal? The difficulty is the same. RG may be more physically demanding, but that doesn't mean it is harder to win, it just means that the skill set required for a RG winner demands more physical endurance. In contrast, winning Wimbledon will require more finesse which is a different skill set that is also difficult to master.
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Right now it would be Roland Garros or the Australian Open.
Death Master
Banned
according to the players going back 200 years RG has always been the hardest.
and it is not because it requires the stamina of a elite tour de france cyclist.
that is just nonsense.
I hate to break the news to you but tennis is not an endurance sport.
and it is not because it requires the stamina of a elite tour de france cyclist.
that is just nonsense.
I hate to break the news to you but tennis is not an endurance sport.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
This. Thanks Chico for stating the obvious. Every great player has won RG. The overrated ones haven't.
Have a nice day.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Wimby and the French, about even. If we're talking hardest for a player to get a title at right now, it's RG because of the Nadal security system on Chatrier.
bigred1910
Rookie
jelle v
Hall of Fame
Hmm tough question..
I think i would have to choose between Roland Garros and Wimbledon.
Roland Garros has the tougher rallying from the baseline, very challenging in a mental and physical way. Wimbledon requires a very different style of tennis and not much people can really play on the grass.
I'm going with Wimbledon as the tougher tournament to win.. but it's close.
I think i would have to choose between Roland Garros and Wimbledon.
Roland Garros has the tougher rallying from the baseline, very challenging in a mental and physical way. Wimbledon requires a very different style of tennis and not much people can really play on the grass.
I'm going with Wimbledon as the tougher tournament to win.. but it's close.
Wynter
Legend
i second this post, not to mention how stupidly hot it gets down here
Then again what's the hottest a FO can reach, we've recorded 40's during opens plus on court humidity.
glovesaves35
Rookie
Wimby, hands down. They spend the least amount of time playing on the surface. Your time to adapt is very short.
reversef
Hall of Fame
Players have always said that the FO was the most difficult one to win because you need more endurance.
And since the players who used to win the other slams were more suited for grass or Hard Courts, it always looked like Roland Garros was a graveyard for the greatest players.
It's not this way anymore. Pure attackers don't dominate the game anymore, and the game on clay is much faster than it used to be.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
I'm going to assume the OP means right now and not historically.
RG is the hardest to win. Rafa owns it and defeating him on clay in Bo5 has only been done once iinm.
Of course, for Rafa, right now AO or WIM would be the hardest for him to win. AO because of Novak and WIM because his grass game has gone to ****.
RG is the hardest to win. Rafa owns it and defeating him on clay in Bo5 has only been done once iinm.
Of course, for Rafa, right now AO or WIM would be the hardest for him to win. AO because of Novak and WIM because his grass game has gone to ****.
tennis_hack
Banned
It's pretty obvious the OP will only accept two answers to his question;
1). French Open
2). Roland Garros
1). French Open
2). Roland Garros
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
This. :lol:
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Great post.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
That's equal for just about every player though. It's not like some of the top players who can actually win WIM have significantly more grass prep than their fellow top players.
Talker
Hall of Fame
USO is difficult. Players are used to the HC and have plenty of practice on it.
With the French many have failed because of endurance, the serve won't save them as much and power is negated to some degree.
They are left with trying to hit through/around opponents with more risky shotmaking.
RG takes away some shotmaking and serving that would work at other slams so in that way it can be considered the hardest.
With the French many have failed because of endurance, the serve won't save them as much and power is negated to some degree.
They are left with trying to hit through/around opponents with more risky shotmaking.
RG takes away some shotmaking and serving that would work at other slams so in that way it can be considered the hardest.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Most difficult slam to win for the top players right now:
Nadal - Wimbledon
Djokovic - FO
Murray - FO
Ferrer - all 4
Nadal - Wimbledon
Djokovic - FO
Murray - FO
Ferrer - all 4
Death Master
Banned
this explains why a Fognini has a good clay record but is pathetic on hardcourts.
