Which is your favorite red wine?

Which is your favorite red wine?


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travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Rioja>Malbec>>>PN>>>>>>>>>>CS
For me, Rioja has is similar to Malbec in that is has high variance in quality. The best are thoroughly enjoyable, but you need to avoid the bad ones.

Pinot Noir is safer. Not as high a ceiling, but higher floor.

I’m afraid I just don’t get CS. Whenever I try one, it’s never good. Maybe I just needed to keep tasting and giving it more of a chance?
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
For me, Rioja has is similar to Malbec in that is has high variance in quality. The best are thoroughly enjoyable, but you need to avoid the bad ones.

Pinot Noir is safer. Not as high a ceiling, but higher floor.

I’m afraid I just don’t get CS. Whenever I try one, it’s never good. Maybe I just needed to keep tasting and giving it more of a chance?
I still haven't found the awesome Cav Sauvs. I guess they must be too expensive.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
On the other hand, cab sav allows for far more complexity than pinot noir even if the latter is also popular with me ... in summer.
My experience has taught me to run the other way whenever I see a winemaker advertising with the word ‘complexity.’ It seems often a euphemism for ‘nasty aftertaste.’
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Maybe a better formula is "depth of flavour', but when you blend three different grapes I still think "complexity" is about right.

My experience has taught me to run the other way whenever I see a winemaker advertising with the word ‘complexity.’ It seems often a euphemism for ‘nasty aftertaste.’
 
Maybe a better formula is "depth of flavour', but when you blend three different grapes I still think "complexity" is about right.
Complexity is not an inherently good thing and blending grapes does not inherently lead to more complexity because depends on how they interact with each other.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Inherently ... maybe not. In actual practice ... certainly. The skill of the vintner works its magic with a variety of grapes. In any event, I far prefer shiraz or a blend to pinot noir.

Complexity is not an inherently good thing and blending grapes does not inherently lead to more complexity because depends on how they interact with each other.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I prefer a more jammy red wine and that's not a Pinot Noir. I used to drink Shiraz, then Shiraz Cabernet, Cab Sav, Cab Merlot and Merlot This is going from aggressive to less.

They blend to balance too not necessarily to add. Cut an aggressive grape with something that grounds it.
 
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vokazu

Legend
We have to consider the country and the vineyards where these red wines are grown. Bordeaux red wines are now my favourite.

Different vineyards, different country, different taste. Hell, there are French Pinot Noirs that are terribly sweet, and there are others that are more elegant and just right. Some New Zealand and Australian Pinot Noir taste a bit strange to me.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Pinot Noir is not in the same league as Cab Sav.
This is the equivalent of a 3.5 talking about tennis when you make broad comments like that about wine. Makes one wonder how many Pinots from the best regions in the world you’ve drunk.

Red wine grapes in order of liking and the regions in order of liking for each grape. I have a list for everything - when are the white wine and sparking wine threads being started?

Cabernet Sauvignon and blends –Napa-California (Howell Mountain, Mt. Veeder, Stags Leap, Carneros), Bordeaux (St Julien, Pauillac), Sonoma-CA (Carneros, Alexander Valley), South Australia (Coonawara), Penedes – Spain, Chile-Maipo Valley
• Amarone – Veneto/Italy
• Pinot Noir (Spatburgunder) – Burgundy (Cote de Beaune, Cote de Nuits), Sonoma (Russian River, Sonoma Coast, Carneros), Oregon-US (Willamette Valley), New Zealand (Marlborough/Central Otago), Central Coast-CA (Santa Barbara/SLO), Australia - Yarra Valley
• Grenache (Garnacha) – Rhone-France (Châteauneuf-du-Pape, Gigondas, Vacqueyras), Spain (Priorato, Penedes)
• Sangiovese and blends – Tuscany-Italy (Brunello di Montalcino, Rosso di Montalcino, Super Tuscans, Chianti Classico)
• Nebbiolo – Piedmont-Italy (Barolo, Barbaresco)
• Nero d’Avola – Sicily, Italy (Cerasuola di Vittoria classico)
• Syrah (Shiraz) – Rhone-France, South Australia (Barossa Valley, McLaren Vale)
• Tempranillo and blends – Ribera del Douro, Rioja
• Malbec – Mendoza-Argentina
• Valpolicella – (Veneto, Italy -Ripasso style only)
• Barbera – Piedmont (Barbera d’Alba)
• Merlot and blends – Bordeaux (Pomerol, St Emilion)
• Aglianico – Italy (Taurasi-Campania)
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I tend to think the "whites are better than reds acksually" is a bit of overreactive blowback to the popular conception that red wine is classier but I think definitely sometimes the kind of fun you want from drinking wine is better served by something lighter and less pensive.
Good white wine can be very expensive also. At the end I don’t want my wine to overwhelm my food and I don’t want my food to overwhelm my wine. So pairing the right acidity, body etc. is important for me to enjoy my dinner and often white wine goes best with the lighter food we often eat on the coast in balmy weather.

While I like many New World and European reds, I prefer many European white wines as they have high-acid that pairs well with salads, seafood and spicy food. In contrast, I drink a lot of California and Italian red wines when I dine with meat.

White Wines in order of my preference.

 Sauvignon Blanc – Sancerre/Loire-France, Steiermark-Austria, Marlborough-New Zealand, Collio/Friuli – Italy
 Gruner Veltliner – Kamptal/Wachau – Austria
 Chardonnay – Burgundy (Cote de Beaune, Cote de Nuits, Chablis, Pouilly Fuisse)-France, Sonoma-California (Russian River Valley or Sonoma Coast), Alto Adige-Italy, Sonoma- Carneros-California
 Gavi di Gavi-Piedmont, Italy
 Riesling – Alsace-France, Pfalz-Germany, Wachau/Kamptal-Austria,Tasmania/Clare Valley-Australia, Mosel-Germany (mostly off-dry)
 Arneis – Roero/Piedmont, Italy
 Pinot Blanc (Weissburgunder, Pinot Bianco) – Alsace-France, Alto Adige-Italy
 Albarino-Rias Baixas-Spain
 Chenin Blanc – Vouvray-France, Loire-France
 Viognier – Condrieu/Rhone-France
 Gewurtztraminer – Alsace-France
 Pinot Gris (Grauburgunder, Pinot Grigio) – Alsace-France, Collio/Friuli-Italy,Baden-Germany
 Greco di Tufo (Campania-Italy)
 Carricante (Etna Bianco, Sicily-Italy)
 Semillon – Hunter Valler-Australia (aged)
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Not really! Tennis is the same everywhere. What's available to me is only what I can comment on. If you've drunk thousands of Pinots from dozens of countries ...

then it's either good luck to you ... or you're a liar.

This is the equivalent of a 3.5 talking about tennis when you make broad comments like that about wine. Makes one wonder how many Pinots from the best regions in the world you’ve drunk.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
What's available to me is only what I can comment on. If you've drunk thousands of Pinots from dozens of countries ...
Can’t you get more variety online? I buy most of my wines online in the US. I’ve been drinking wine daily for more than thirty five years and have traveled to more than 50 countries - many of them more than 20-40 times. So, you can rest assured that I’ve developed my tastes in wine by finishing a lot of bottles.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I'm not really interested in going down that rabbit hole. If I were a wine professional then things would be different. I can't drink and work hard at the same time.

Can’t you get more variety online? I buy most of my wines online in the US. I’ve been drinking wine daily for more than thirty five years and have traveled to more than 50 countries - many of them more than 20-40 times. So, you can rest assured that I’ve developed my tastes in wine by finishing a lot of bottles.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I'm not just a social lefty like you engaged in projectile spitting into wine spitoons.
I am too much of a socialist lefty to waste the hard work of the people involved in making the wine to spit any wine out unless it is corked. I also will never drive myself while traveling in wine country so that I can imbibe freely during wine tastings. Most wine I drink is at home though.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Sampling wine usually requires some elimination of the product, but if you have a chauffeur you are not even a socialist lefty.

I am too much of a socialist lefty to waste the hard work of the people involved in making the wine to spit any wine out unless it is corked. I also will never drive myself while traveling in wine country so that I can imbibe freely during wine tastings. Most wine I drink is at home though.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Sampling wine usually requires some elimination of the product, but if you have a chauffeur you are not even a socialist lefty.
I don’t have a chauffeur, but have enough loved ones and friends who can drive. In any case, I don’t sample wine usually - I drink it with my food.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You seem quite defensive about your class loyalties. Drinking wine with food is a good idea, however, unless you end up a fat drunk.

I don’t have a chauffeur, but have enough loved ones and friends who can drive. I did grow up with chauffeurs in India though, but please don’t hold it against me as it wasn’t possible for me to pick the family or class I was born into. In any case, I don’t sample wine usually - I drink it with my food.

Anyone with a good heart and brain can be a socialist and being born rich or being rich doesn’t preclude you from that. Most people with progressive economic views in developed countries in the US and Western Europe are likely to be more educated and financially well-off than the average population. If you are brought up right, you care about taking care of those who are not as well-off in a community and maybe around the world - not just about your own family.
 
Good white wine can be very expensive also. At the end I don’t want my wine to overwhelm my food and I don’t want my food to overwhelm my wine. So pairing the right acidity, body etc. is important for me to enjoy my dinner and often white wine goes best with the lighter food we often eat on the coast in balmy weather.

While I like many New World and European reds, I prefer many European white wines as they have high-acid that pairs well with salads, seafood and spicy food. In contrast, I drink a lot of California and Italian red wines when I dine with meat.

White Wines in order of my preference.

 Sauvignon Blanc – Sancerre/Loire-France, Steiermark-Austria, Marlborough-New Zealand, Collio/Friuli – Italy
 Gruner Veltliner – Kamptal/Wachau – Austria
 Chardonnay – Burgundy (Cote de Beaune, Cote de Nuits, Chablis, Pouilly Fuisse)-France, Sonoma-California (Russian River Valley or Sonoma Coast), Alto Adige-Italy, Sonoma- Carneros-California
 Gavi di Gavi-Piedmont, Italy
 Riesling – Alsace-France, Pfalz-Germany, Wachau/Kamptal-Austria,Tasmania/Clare Valley-Australia, Mosel-Germany (mostly off-dry)
 Arneis – Roero/Piedmont, Italy
 Pinot Blanc (Weissburgunder, Pinot Bianco) – Alsace-France, Alto Adige-Italy
 Albarino-Rias Baixas-Spain
 Chenin Blanc – Vouvray-France, Loire-France
 Viognier – Condrieu/Rhone-France
 Gewurtztraminer – Alsace-France
 Pinot Gris (Grauburgunder, Pinot Grigio) – Alsace-France, Collio/Friuli-Italy,Baden-Germany
 Greco di Tufo (Campania-Italy)
 Carricante (Etna Bianco, Sicily-Italy)
 Semillon – Hunter Valler-Australia (aged)
You gotta add WV for the Chardonnay the good ones are at the same level as the Pinots (source: see how many from Burgundy you listed).
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
You gotta add WV for the Chardonnay the good ones are at the same level as the Pinots (source: see how many from Burgundy you listed).
I haven’t drunk any Oregon chardonnays (or at least don’t remember any that stuck in my memory), but maybe should try in the future. I agree that good Pinot weather/terroir is typically good for Chardonnay also.
 
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Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
I am too much of a socialist lefty to waste the hard work of the people involved in making the wine to spit any wine out unless it is corked. I also will never drive myself while traveling in wine country so that I can imbibe freely during wine tastings. Most wine I drink is at home though.
I thought your username meant that you are a lefthanded player from Southern California, or a so called lefty.
 

vokazu

Legend
OMG I got this wine while it's on special, and it is so fragrant like flowers and so tasty and so delicious! I should get some more while it's still on special!

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Château Paul Mas

Coteaux du Languedoc​

Product description Dry, Full Bodied style of Shiraz Grenache Mourvèdre A blend of Shiraz, Grenache and Mourvèdre that is simply world-class and has quality that sits well above its amazing price point! A lovely perfumed aroma with hints of violets is matched with supple plummy fruit flavour and soft persistent tannin on the palate.

Product specifications

  • Type :Shiraz Grenache Mourvèdre
  • Size: 750ML
  • Region: Languedoc-Roussillon
  • Current Vintage: 2021*
  • Standard Drinks: 8.6
  • Alcohol Volume: 14.5%
  • Country: France
  • Brand Name: Château Paul Mas
  • Wine Maker: Jean Claude Mas
  • Closure: Cork
  • Wine Sweetness: Dry
  • Wine Body: Full Bodied

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travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
No biggie. That's just because I know of what I'm talking about.
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Or is there something else about Maradona besides his skillz that puts him over the top?
 
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