Which is your first language?
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Sudacafan
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So you like this one better.
Vcore89
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Sudacafan
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Don’t mix your drinks that much!
cluckcluck
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Estoy viviendo en Corona (al sureste de Los Angeles). Casi todo mi vida. Que estas haciendo en Bolivia??Ese “vos de dónde eres” me descoloca un poco. Lo he escuchado en Sudamérica, pero fuera de Argentina.
Vos de dónde sos en USA? Me encanta Mendoza, su clima y sus vinos.
Soy argentino viviendo casi 25 años en Bolivia. Un saludo.
DSH
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Ese “vos de dónde eres” me descoloca un poco
Vos de dónde sos en USA? Me encanta Mendoza, su clima y sus vinos.
Soy argentino viviendo casi 25 años en Bolivia. Un saludo.
el "voseo" se utiliza más que nada en Argentina y Uruguay, aunque también en otras de partes de la región, como en Paraguay o Bolivia, donde tú vives.
DSH
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de acuerdo, "vos" se utiliza en tierras gauchas en reemplazo de "tú, y "sos" de "eres".
¿vos sos de Santa Cruz?.
Sudacafan
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En Bolivia el tuteo se usa en la región andina (La Paz, Cochabamba), pero en Santa Cruz se usa el voseo.
DSH
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¿por qué te autodenominas "sudaca" sabiendo la connotación negativa que hacen los españoles a los latinoamericanos?.
DSH
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Bien, aún así no es bueno reforzar estereotipos que generan discordancias entre personas que tienen mas semejanzas de las que ellas mismas desconocen y les cuesta admitir.
Iberoamérica tiene mucho más para educar a los ciudadanos que la Historia los une en búsqueda de la Memoria Colectiva de los pueblos y los esfuerzos para entender que los pasados dictatoriales en los distintos países ayudan a entender por qué es necesario la Transparencia e iniciativas para entender la verdad para así evitar pasar por regímenes autoritarios que corrompen el Estado de Derecho y la Democracia.
Nunca es ****e en entender que la Cultura siempre será un puente para el conocimiento de los Pueblos y sus individuos que las conforman.
Rago
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Gracias.
Sudacafan
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Comments about the poll so far:
- English with the most users, as expected, though I thought their share would be higher.
- Slavic and Scandinavian groups come next. Didn’t quite expect it.
- No Far East language speakers, rather strange. Or are they shy to show themselves?
- Arabic and Hebrew, no takers? Somewhat regretting having empty poll options... though it could be true, as I have not identified anyone in the forums as speakers during my time here.
- For the ones who voted Others: the majority of them did not declare which is their first language
- English with the most users, as expected, though I thought their share would be higher.
- Slavic and Scandinavian groups come next. Didn’t quite expect it.
- No Far East language speakers, rather strange. Or are they shy to show themselves?
- Arabic and Hebrew, no takers? Somewhat regretting having empty poll options... though it could be true, as I have not identified anyone in the forums as speakers during my time here.
- For the ones who voted Others: the majority of them did not declare which is their first language
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tusharlovesrafa
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hindi ..
SystemicAnomaly
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I'm afraid that my impression of you has not recovered since you've never bothered to apologize for this unwarranted post -- or even acknowledge that you may have misread my intent.
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DSH
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I think you've been misinterpreted, there's been a short circuit in communication.
anyway, it is worth clarifying this misunderstanding.
DSH
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TahoeTennis
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Espanol - the GOAT language si. Vamos!
SystemicAnomaly
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Yet even after my explanation of intent for my innocent/innocuous post, she failed to to apologize or even acknowledge that she may have misread intent.
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DSH
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You mean Español
To designate the common language of Spain and many nations of America, and which is also spoken as its own in other parts of the world, the terms Castilian and Spanish are valid. The controversy over which of these denominations is more appropriate is now overcome. The Spanish term is more recommended because it lacks ambiguity, since it refers unequivocally to the language spoken today by nearly four hundred million people. Also, it is the denomination that is used internationally (Spanish, anglais, Spanisch, spagnolo, etc.). Even being synonymous with Spanish, it is preferable to reserve the Castilian term to refer to the Romanesque dialect born in the Kingdom of Castile during the Middle Ages, or the dialect of Spanish that is currently spoken in this region. In Spain, the Castilian name is also used when referring to the common language of the State in relation to the other co-official languages in their respective autonomous territories, such as Catalan, Galician or Basque.
source: RAE.
SystemicAnomaly
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Muito obrigago (or Mucho gracias, if you prefer).
I'm wondering how much Portuguese in Portugal (or Brazil) differs from Castilian. Does it differ as much as or more than "Spanish" differs from one area to the next. Sure there are differences in pronunciation, spelling and some vocab between Portuguese and Spanish/Castilian. But at what point do linguists make a distinction between a dialect and a separate language.
General American English can differ quite a bit from Cockney English or other English variations in the UK. Also different from the English spoken in South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, India, Nigeria and other parts of the world. To a lesser degree, perhaps, there is a bit of a diff from Canadian English and English spoken in the US. Yet we still call all these variants English.
Rubens
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@Sudacafan , is it true that Argentinian spanish sounds like italian? An italian friend of mine was trying to learn spanish, with a thick italian accent, and his spanish teacher told him he'd fit right in in Buenos Aires.
Sudacafan
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Somewhat true about the “rhythm” of speech, and the way we talk, the gestures, use of hands.
That’s because we had a very strong Italian immigration.
Tshooter
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SystemicAnomaly
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Only the Best Words.
Orange Man sounds at least halfway intelligent when he's speaking someone else's words. When he ad-libs, strays from his written speech, much less so.
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President Trump is such an effective communicator because he speaks clearly in language everyone can understand. I struggle with this, especially in my writing, where I tend to have lots of dependent phrases.
Many politicians speak only to obfuscate their ideas, speak meaningless platitudes, and to avoid saying anything that someone can twist into something to be critical about.
Many politicians speak only to obfuscate their ideas, speak meaningless platitudes, and to avoid saying anything that someone can twist into something to be critical about.
SystemicAnomaly
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To my mind, his use of language is much too simplistic and he comes off sounding unintelligent, untrustworthy and rather insincere. Gives the impression that he doesn't think well on his feet. Everything is black & white to him (even tho he often changes his mind or his rhetoric when backed into a corner). An apparent lack of nuance in his thinking reveals itself in his language. Given to overly simplistic slogans/catchphrases.
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Sudacafan
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The terrible conclusion is that I’ll have to downgrade my speech quality to make more money.
Very possibly, yes.
It depends on your audience.
I've really made an effort to simplify my writing. My everyday speech is very simple and colloquial and I'm very effective at communicating to kids where you have to be clear and simple. It is hard to be precise about complex topics with simple writing, and I'm somewhat jealous of people who can do that easily (like both my ex-wives, one was a teacher and the other wrote for a living).
To those who value precision and nuance, Donald Trump's speech is a blunt object. They may consider him unintelligent or whatever (of course he is clearly in the top 1% in intelligence, an Ivy League graduate, and very successful).
In many ways he talks like a construction worker. These are the people he admired as a little kid, watching them build big things. He can communicate with them. Can you? If you can, it will help you be successful.
It still is. The best songs are crying songs. Music, I believe, itself is a more sophisticated form of crying.
My translation:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/enmhshkvxr4deo9/Vissi d’arte.docx?dl=0
I saw Tosca in a foreign language movie theater. It's incredible, across time, across space, across culture, across language, people never changed. I understood the opera as if it is happening today. And English has so much Latin, the actual language is not that "foreign".
Tosca is a real story in a historical place and time. Records are great. They are like a space-time machine.
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I'll tell you the synopsis of Tosca for you kids, in Ebonics, so you kids will understand how people never changed.
That Tosca was a fly Diva. (ironic that diva is unchanged from the original Sanskrit Deva (gods).
Scarpia wanted to tap that.
Scarpia holds Tosca's husband Mario as a political prisoner as a hostage.
Scarpia thought he was gonna get some'n some'n, but Tosca shanked his ass.
Then Scarpia's men busted a cap in Mario's ass.
Then Tosca killed herself.
Very easy to understand for you youngin's.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/new-word-thread.607157/post-13082224
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Bartelby
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He understands people's most base desires and panders to them, as those are usually violent you get 'lock her up' or rage against the media.
He understands people's most hopeful desires and panders to them, even though he has no intention of implementing anything useful for ordinary people.
Political speech is as it is because you usually need to be circumspect and also consistent over time. Trump is however not a politician, but a demagogue honed by marketing.
He understands people's most hopeful desires and panders to them, even though he has no intention of implementing anything useful for ordinary people.
Political speech is as it is because you usually need to be circumspect and also consistent over time. Trump is however not a politician, but a demagogue honed by marketing.
I notice a lot of people, especially those with something to sell, use that marketing language. They copied what they heard. What they don't know is it goes all the way back. Speaking of sports. It all goes back to Joe Weider, and even before him. Way way back in the circus/carnival days, in the snake oil salesman days. The continuous lineage of that circus/carnival/snake oil salesman is WWE (and in the future UFC). I've been to many a wrestling shows (WWE and TNA).
Now that the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus is out business, the WWE is only link to that past that I know. And of course gyms. Gyms came directly from Joe Weider and his predecessors. (The Strong Man portion of the circus.)
Let me paint you a picture. I was once at a TNA venue in a college basketball gym, James Madison University to be exact. After the show, I was walking among the wrestlers at arms length. I can reach out and touch them literally. They were also selling action figures. Taking pictures with fans for $20. Christy Hemme was selling copies of a Playboy magazine issue with her on the cover.
It felt so ancient, so real, like back in the carny (carnivals) days. "Carny" is a perfect word. It comes from carnal - flesh.
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This is what leftists (and even proud communists) don't understand about Donald Trump. He is doing exactly what he believes in and saying exactly what he believes. He is not acting like leftists act where their every action is calibrated to obfuscate the effects of what they propose in order to increase the power of the party.
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In a communist society, the individual's best interests are indistinguishable from the society's best interest. Thus, the idea of an individual freedom is incompatible with a communist ideology. The only reason to hold individual speech and information rights would be to better the society, a condition which would likely be met only in certain instances rather than across time, making the default a lack of freedom.
https://cs.stanford.edu/people/erob...-08/communism-computing-china/censorship.html
Donald Trump is a great marketer in a carnival way. He is not, however, pandering to people trying fool them to try and get their vote. He is marketing to them to get them to support what he is doing. He has been very vocal about positions which would certainly not be in line with poll-testing (ie. immigration) and drives Republican politicians and political advisors nuts because of the things he says that are not politically advisable.
His attacks on the press are the same thing he has been doing when he was a developer and attacked politicians and the press loudly and publicly in New York City. It isn't seemly, but I don't know if it is more effective or less effective than George W. Bush's complete lack of response to all of the untrue and unfair attacks on him in the press.
It is the left, of course, who have stoked violence and hate (antifa, unfounded charges of racism, anti-religion, etc.) to try and tear apart the cultural fabric of America. The Marxist revolution can not happen in America until the country is split apart into tribalism - where people are set against each other.
My problem with Donald Trump is that he feeds into the us vs. them narrative in the way he functions. It really is the way he won the Republican party nomination. Trump vs. whomever, one by one., taking them out. You should be his greatest supporter since you wish the destruction of American society.
However, you cannot deny his communication skills.
ps. Anyone else who held a security clearance who did what Hillary Clinton did would currently be spending many years in prison and anyone familiar with the rules knows this, including her supporters. Yes, she should be locked up.
