Which loss was worse, Federer@brisbane or RAFA@doha?

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tennis_commentator

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I think Djokovic just played the match of his life while RAFA still has that 2011 feeling (remember when he lost to Djokovic in straight sets twice on clay?) so couldn't respond.
Federer being broken twice by Raonic? Simply a horrible sign for his AO chances.
Upsets are always likely in tennis, but Djokovic and RAFA are the 2 favorites at the AO.

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Plus its kind of hard to judge the RAFA loss at Doha because Monfils beat RAFA 64 64 at 2009 Doha (the year RAFA won the AO), and Monfils beat RAFA 63 64 at 2012 Doha (the year RAFA and Djokovic played the 6 hour AO final).
 
gn

gn

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Haahahahhahahahaahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
What Nadal suffered is humiliation. He can't escape. It's 2016 RAFA. He is fit.
No injury excuses. What Fedr faced is routine defeat to up and coming coming youngster. No shame in that.
Where were you yesterday lol?
Good to see you come out of your hole.
 
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gnana prakash said:
Haahahahhahahahaahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
What Nadal suffered is humiliation. He can't escape. It's 2016 RAFA. He is fit.
No injury excuses. What Fedr faced is routine defeat to up and coming coming youngster. No shame in that.
Where were you yesterday lol?
Good to see you come out of your hole.
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Actually I'd rate the straight sets losses RAFA endured on clay in 2011 way worse than Doha (Doha, the place Monfils beat RAFA in straight sets, twice - And RAFA won his other 11 meetings with Monfils).
You know I don't comment during RAFA finals, so I'm commenting the day after, that's nothing new.
Sorry I hurt your feelings by not commenting yesterday though, but I guess that means I mean a lot to you...
 
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tennis_commentator

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^ Is RAFA's loss to Djokovic worse than Federer being broken by Raonic in both sets?
Especially given that Raonic didn't even play his best tennis, while Djokovic absolutely did 100%.
 
Krish872007

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I think each loss to a top player is better than winning against or losing to low-ranked players, as you learn more from losses.
So losing to Djokovic yesterday could be RAFA's greatest learning experience.
And learning experience translates into greater preparation (physically and mentally), so RAFA is well on his way to the AO Final already.
And RAFA lost to Monfils in 2009 and 2012 at Doha, but won the AO in 2009 and almost beat Djokovic in a 6-hour final in 2012.
And in 2014, RAFA won Doha and lost in the AO Final due to injury - so Doha is definitely relevant to the AO.
 
gn

gn

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Krish872007 said:
I think each loss to a top player is better than winning against or losing to low-ranked players, as you learn more from losses.
So losing to Djokovic yesterday could be RAFA's greatest learning experience.
And learning experience translates into greater preparation (physically and mentally), so RAFA is well on his way to the AO Final already.
And RAFA lost to Monfils in 2009 and 2012 at Doha, but won the AO in 2009 and almost beat Djokovic in a 6-hour final in 2012.
And in 2014, RAFA won Doha and lost in the AO Final due to injury - so Doha is definitely relevant to the AO.
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Spot on buddy! Everyone will think that Rafa would lose to some no names at AO after such a performance yesterday. But real RAFA will be back at AO and come out of the blue to destroy anyone in his path to clinch his 2nd AO Title. The he will become 2nd man to complete Double CGS. Everyone will be expecting novak to win his 6th AO Title. But they are going to be stunned.
 
kishnabe

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Hard to say. Fedal did not lose to mugs.

Milosh was in good form and Federer was good as well. Not a bad loss considering Milosh has been top 15 for a few years.

Nadal....the score was real bad but it was against his worst opponent and the world number one.

Maybe Federer....he has been able to neutralize big servers real well.....he usually handled Milosh really well. I guess Isner win gave Milosh more hope.
 
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shankster

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Not sure whats the point of this thread is but I don't think Rafa played all that badly. He was beaten by a Superhuman playing Godly tennis. Nothing new in that. Federer losing to Raonic is a bit of a surprise. He usually handles big servers pretty well as someone alluded to above. His struggles are generally against good returners, guys who can neutralize his serving prowess and bully him from the baseline. Still, he reached the final and looks in alright form - should be able to go deep in the tournament but don't see him as a genuine contender at this event in the same manner that he is at the Wimbledon or US Open.
 
Mainad

Mainad

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tennis_commentator said:
I think Djokovic just played the match of his life while RAFA still has that 2011 feeling (remember when he lost to Djokovic in straight sets twice on clay?) so couldn't respond.
Federer being broken twice by Raonic? Simply a horrible sign for his AO chances.
Upsets are always likely in tennis, but Djokovic and RAFA are the 2 favorites at the AO.
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In what way is Rafa one of the 2 favourites at the AO? :confused:
 
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shankster

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The ATP field right now consists of one Djokovic and thousands of mere mortals. If Djokovic gets knocked out (it won't happen but lets assume hypothetically for the sake of this debate that he does)... there are around 7-8 players around IMO who have more or less an equal chance (some more than others but still...) of winning the AO and that includes Rafa. So I don't think its ridiculous to call him the 2nd favourite though I certainly won't call him one of the top 2 favourites (Novak is simply on a different planet right now). He is an equal second favourite alongwith a few others. I don't think there is a clear No.2 in the world right now despite what the rankings say. Its Novak and others.
 
TennisHound

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I love how overly dramatic the OP makes these matches out to be. We know Djok will dominate, and it was a good match for Raonic. That's what he needs. Fed didn't play his best but is it really that big o deal? Take a breath :)
 
Feather

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Mainad said:
In what way is Rafa one of the 2 favourites at the AO? :confused:
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I guess you are having fun with him :p

isn't he the same poster who said couple of days ago that he is worried Djokovic will tank to Berdych to avoid Rafa. I don't think he is a Rafa fan either. A guy with lots of time at hands to troll
 
swordtennis

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Fed did lose to a serve bot that he owns. Perfect matchup for fed. Nadal did lose to the heavyweight champion of the world and the player that gives him fits.
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

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Fed has 0 chance at either AO or RG anyway. And that has been true for a while.
He's also heading toward 35. I think 2016 will be his last pro season. He probably hopes to finish on a high with a medal at the Olympics.
 
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fps said:
Federer's recovering from flu and didn't really care. Rafa has so many more doubts hanging over him. In short, we know Federer will play better than that this year. Nadal? No idea.
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But RAFA didn't play bad, just that Djokovic was on fire and its not a great court for RAFA anyway. Its one of his best Doha's ever. He lost to Monfils 64 64 at 2009 Doha, and lost to Monfils again 63 64 at 2012 Doha. And those are horrible losses, because RAFA leads Monfils 11-2.
 
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Mainad said:
In what way is Rafa one of the 2 favourites at the AO? :confused:
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Well, RAFA is a better player at the AO than Federer is (unless we're talking the Federer of many years ago).
And RAFA is a better player at the AO than Murray is.
You can argue Wawrinka and Djokovic are bigger favorites, but I'll just say Djokovic is.
Even last year, RAFA made the QF despite almost pulling out of the tournament the week before it started (he said at 2015 Doha that he may skip the AO and begin in South America).
I think RAFA's wins over Wawrinka and Murray at 2015 London make it even more clear that RAFA is the favorite ahead of everyone, except for Djokovic.
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

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tennis_commentator said:
But RAFA didn't play bad, just that Djokovic was on fire and its not a great court for RAFA anyway. Its one of his best Doha's ever. He lost to Monfils 64 64 at 2009 Doha, and lost to Monfils again 63 64 at 2012 Doha. And those are horrible losses, because RAFA leads Monfils 11-2.
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But he finally beat Monfils in 2014!
Doha 2016 was his 3rd best out of 8 played (after 2014 and 2010). Not sure that it means anything as regards his AO chances though...
 
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Feather said:
I guess you are having fun with him :p

isn't he the same poster who said couple of days ago that he is worried Djokovic will tank to Berdych to avoid Rafa. I don't think he is a Rafa fan either. A guy with lots of time at hands to troll
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Its not possible to read Djokovic's mind, as nobody has a clue what kind of things are going on in his head. So when I said I was afraid of Djokovic tanking, I was only covering this possibility, not saying that Djokovic was going to tank.
One thing is for sure, I was not afraid of RAFA losing the Doha final. Because I knew that RAFA would not use his AO tactics anyway, so a loss would at Doha would be of no significance. Considering the importance of beating Djokovic at the AO, RAFA was always going to save his new tactics for the AO Final/SF/QF vs Djokovic, not reveal them at Doha.
 
Krish872007

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tennis_commentator said:
But RAFA didn't play bad, just that Djokovic was on fire and its not a great court for RAFA anyway. Its one of his best Doha's ever. He lost to Monfils 64 64 at 2009 Doha, and lost to Monfils again 63 64 at 2012 Doha. And those are horrible losses, because RAFA leads Monfils 11-2.
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Indeed.
I am disappointed RAFA did not get to play Monfils at Doha though - no matter who wins, playing Monfils is almost a blessing for the AO :eek:
In 2009, RAFA lost to Monfils in straight sets but won the AO.
In 2012, he lost to Monfils again but led Djokovic 4-2 in the AO Final.
In 2014, he beat Monfils and won the 3rd set against Wawrinka in the AO Final.
Playing Monfils this year would have practically sealed RAFA's place in the final.
 
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helterskelter

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tennis_commentator said:
Well, RAFA is a better player at the AO than Federer is (unless we're talking the Federer of many years ago).
And RAFA is a better player at the AO than Murray is.
You can argue Wawrinka and Djokovic are bigger favorites, but I'll just say Djokovic is.
Even last year, RAFA made the QF despite almost pulling out of the tournament the week before it started (he said at 2015 Doha that he may skip the AO and begin in South America).
I think RAFA's wins over Wawrinka and Murray at 2015 London make it even more clear that RAFA is the favorite ahead of everyone, except for Djokovic.
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So, you do agree, then, that Djokovic is favorite for the Australian Open?
 
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helterskelter said:
So, you do agree, then, that Djokovic is favorite for the Australian Open?
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Yeah, I never said he wasn't.
I said a few posts ago that "I think RAFA's wins over Wawrinka and Murray at 2015 London make it even more clear that RAFA is the favorite ahead of everyone, except for Djokovic."
I didn't even consider RAFA the favorite at Roland Garros last year (my pre-tournament prediction was "If RAFA wins the 1st set of his QF with Djokovic, then RAFA wins Roland Garros, otherwise RAFA will lose").
 
ArcspacE

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tennis_commentator said:
I think Djokovic just played the match of his life while RAFA still has that 2011 feeling (remember when he lost to Djokovic in straight sets twice on clay?) so couldn't respond.
Federer being broken twice by Raonic? Simply a horrible sign for his AO chances.
Upsets are always likely in tennis, but Djokovic and RAFA are the 2 favorites at the AO.
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Bore off you shameless troll
 
duaneeo

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shankster said:
...but don't see him as a genuine contender at this event in the same manner that he is at the Wimbledon or US Open.
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People seem to forget Federer's consistency at the Australian Open. Before his 3rd round loss to Seppi last year, he had made it to at least the semis for 11 consecutive years.

tennis_commentator said:
And RAFA is a better player at the AO than Murray is.
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Murray has made it to 4 of the last 6 AO finals.
 
StrongerThanAll

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How much more transparent can your agenda be? Who's loss was worse between Rafa and Federer? and your avatar is a picture of Rafa. Rename this thread "I want an excuse to create a thread crapping all over Federer while trying to convince myself Rafa is a contender for the AO"
 
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