Which match/title would you rather have had Federer win?

[BigThreeForever]

Which match/title would you rather have had Federer win between 2009 USO and 2019 WIM? If you had to choose one match for him to have won.

Considering his year in 2009 having won RG and WIM, and now had a chance at a record 6th consecutive USO and overall Open Era USO title record (He was tied at 5 with Sampras and Connors). If he won 2009 USO he would have later completed the NCYGS as he later would win 2010 AO. He also had never lost against del Potro at this point and already notched 3 wins against him in 2009 prior to their USO match.

Or would it have been more worthwhile to win 2019 WIM against defending champion Djokovic, which would give him a record-extending 9th Wimbledon and set a new record as the oldest Wimbledon winner in the Open Era, having previously already set the record at 2017 WIM. It would've arguably been his hardest slam win as he faced the toughest possible seed in every round, and would have beaten his two career rivals, Nadal and Djokovic back-to-back.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

This is a great question, actually.

 

[mental midget]

This is a great question, actually.

indeed. knee-jerk reaction is wimbledon...what a story that would have been. but NCYGS, uso record...man maybe that one actually?

 

[ForehandCross]

2013 USO vs Tommy Robredo.

 

[Match_Point]

Brain says USO09 i.e. NCYGS, 6 straight USO titles making him the one with most US opens (so he stands atop for both WIM/USO) and basically never lost to anyone outside of the Nadal and Djokovic in the finals.

Heart says Wim19. I still think what he did regardless of winning or not is one of the greatest feats in Tennis. And he did it vs the 2 of the best to play the game while being on his last legs.

 

[Federev]

2013 USO vs Tommy Robredo.

lol!

 

[Kralingen]

Would be a dick move to go and deprive JMDP of his singular Slam before the injuries completely ruined him. No one serious holds the ‘09 loss against him anyway.

Meanwhile the singular most famous moment of Federer’s career for younger generations is that 40-15. Every single time a game gets to 40-15 people subconsciously think of it. It would also be the perfect cap to a career, he got to say, at age 38, “he beat them both back to back”, which would give him the forever trump card in any argument. It’s easily Wimby.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

indeed. knee-jerk reaction is wimbledon...what a story that would have been. but NCYGS, uso record...man maybe that one actually?

This is what makes it a tricky. A sixth consecutive title to claim the outright record.

 

[Rosstour]

His 5x USO in a row will stand forever, but the honor of beating Nadal and Djoko back to back to get revenge for all those heartbreaks, at 38…

 

[langley]

move this to former pro player talk. fed is not a current pro.

 

[ND-13]

Delpo played better than Federer in Set 4 and 5

Djokovic did not play any set better than Federer

 

[Third Serve]

2009 US Open final gives him a nice little NCYGS if we assume no domino effect. However that would leave Delpo slamless which I don't really like. Fed had super close matches in all four of his Slam runs that year so I think two Slams is a fair number for him.

I don't read too much into the 2019 Wimbledon result (the fact that he was able to take it to five in the first place is super impressive) but a lot of people do and that annoys me. Plus, it would have been nice to cap off his career with a back-to-back triumph over Nadal and Djokovic and extend the Wimbledon lead to nine. But we're in the dark timeline so that didn't happen.

 

[Third Serve]

Delpo played better than Federer in Set 4 and 5

Djokovic did not play any set better than Federer

I think Djokovic played the fifth set better than Fed did on aggregate. People forget that he had to choke first to set Fed up for the 40-15.

Third set was pretty even, slight edge to Fed but he mugged up the tiebreak.

First set was definitely Fed, he really shouldn't have lost that.

 

[ND-13]

Fed got his payback at YEC beating Djokovic in straights after he turned 38. That is a super achievement , though is not of the same magnitude as a Wimb final

 

[MeatTornado]

Winning the 09 USO would just make me even more upset about how he lost the AO that year.

Wimby 19 every time.

 

[gamelovergold]

Delpo played well enough to win that match
Novak was not playing well enough. All three set novak won was all tiebreakers and fedrer was on his last leg so 2019 has to be the case.

 

[Mustard]

Delpo played better than Federer in Set 4 and 5

Only set 5 was clear with that. Federer blew set 2, and lost a close set 4. Federer lost that match because he was massively overconfident. Once Del Potro won the fourth set, and he was still alive, he surged in the fifth set, and Federer couldn't respond because he simply wasn't expecting a fifth set to happen. Remember their 2009 Australian Open quarter final, when Federer beat Del Potro 6-3, 6-0, 6-0, on hardcourt?

 

[Towny]

Purely in terms of his legacy, I think the single greatest slam Federer could have added (provided no domino effect) would be beating Nadal to win RG 2007. By 2007, everyone knew Nadal was supper dominant on clay so no one could claim 'Baby Nadal'. Plus it would have given him a CYGS.

But given the choices here and considering other factors, I've got to go with Wimbledon 2019. A) I really wouldn't want Delpo to go without a slam and B) a back to back victory over Djokodal in the final full year of Federer's career would have just been so sweet. Alas, it is what it is

 

[Vincent-C]

Which match/title would you rather have had Federer win between 2009 USO and 2019 WIM? If you had to choose one match for him to have won.

Considering his year in 2009 having won RG and WIM, and now had a chance at a record 6th consecutive USO and overall Open Era USO title record (He was tied at 5 with Sampras and Connors). If he won 2009 USO he would have later completed the NCYGS as he later would win 2010 AO. He also had never lost against del Potro at this point and already notched 3 wins against him in 2009 prior to their USO match.

Or would it have been more worthwhile to win 2019 WIM against defending champion Djokovic, which would give him a record-extending 9th Wimbledon and set a new record as the oldest Wimbledon winner in the Open Era, having previously already set the record at 2017 WIM. It would've arguably been his hardest slam win as he faced the toughest possible seed in every round, and would have beaten his two career rivals, Nadal and Djokovic back-to-back.

2019 Wimbledon, easily. Cinderella story..

 

[Vincent-C]

move this to former pro player talk. fed is not a current pro.

He's comin back bro

 

[nolefam_2024]

Who is delpo .

Nole is almost a mortal rival for fed. He would want 2019 above almost all finals. Maybe just second to Wimbledon 2008 or at max AO2009.



A "mortal enemy" is an enemy who poses a deadly threat or with whom there is a deep-seated, intense animosity, often to the point of wanting to harm or even kill the other person, according to some dictionary definitions.

 

[JasonZ]

these are by far his most bitter losses. uso 2009 was probably not that bitter at the moment it happened like wimbledon 2008 and ao 2009 at the moment these two losses happened. but he won these tournaments the next year, and 2 more times, so now he probably doesnt think about those losses. but he never won the uso again, so it hurts him much more now than when it happened. he would be the uso goat had he won it, now he has to share this title with sampras and connors.

2019 wimbledon still hurts him probably the most. i think if federer can choose, he would take the wimbledon 2019 for the win.

 

[DSH]

Brain says USO09 i.e. NCYGS, 6 straight USO titles making him the one with most US opens (so he stands atop for both WIM/USO) and basically never lost to anyone outside of the Nadal and Djokovic in the finals.

Heart says Wim19. I still think what he did regardless of winning or not is one of the greatest feats in Tennis. And he did it vs the 2 of the best to play the game while being on his last legs.

Federer could have lost at RG and Wimbledon that season, don't forget.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Winning the 09 USO would just make me even more upset about how he lost the AO that year.

Wimby 19 every time.

I mainly agree with those choosing Wimbledon, but the context of a sixth USO title is that it's 6 USO straight and it's the outright record coming straight after breaking the slam record and then going on to win four in a row (though I am not as high on four in a row as others, in the context of these other achievements happening in the same period it would be a big deal). It also means later that he wins his 20th slam at WB 2017 and chokes one point away from a 22nd slam, which changes the retirement narrative a bit with Nadal on 22 and Djo on 21.

But JMDP would lose out and that would be horrible for him.

 

[mental midget]

I mainly agree with those choosing Wimbledon, but the context of a sixth USO title is that it's 6 USO straight and it's the outright record coming straight after breaking the slam record and then going on to win four in a row (though I am not as high on four in a row as others, in the context of these other achievements happening in the same period it would be a big deal). It also means later that he wins his 20th slam at WB 2017 and chokes one point away from a 22nd slam, which changes the retirement narrative a bit with Nadal on 22 and Djo on 21.

But JMDP would lose out and that would be horrible for him.

yeah...i think i'm firmly in uso camp. outright men's lead in 2 of 4 slams AND a ncygs would factor bigly in the goat debate among other things.