Neptune
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Then chill, start whatever thread you want, engage in any discussion you like, don't try to control others, is that a lot to ask?
Which matchup has been more lopsided?
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Then chill, start whatever thread you want, engage in any discussion you like, don't try to control others, is that a lot to ask?
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
They met so many times during Nadal's worst ever period on clay. Djokovic on the other hand never really showed up when out of form. Against Federer as well. He always made sure to lose earlier.
Kralingen
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Still no good or even thoughtful arguments … @BorgTheGOAT
Neptune
Hall of Fame
Sound like Rafa mentality? is Rafa going to try a 10th match (20th set) against Nole on HC?
Nole went 0-9 against Rafa in early years and still never back down.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
If you look at their matches, Nadal was making every single match when Djokovic was world number 3. They played 12 matches on hc by 2010 and Nadal lagged just 5-7. That's 12 matches in 4 years while both were not regularly making all finals.
Is it not a surprise that in last 10 years they played just 7 matches on hc. That's not even a match a year.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
It's fair enough to include only matches from slams. It's silly to discount matches based on whether the players were (allegedly) prime or not. If we do it this way, we get a slam H2H of 8-2 to Nadal on clay and 3-2 on hard courts to Djokovic. It makes your point just as well, without needlessly ruling out certain matches because you deem players to be too old or too young.
Turning Pro
Hall of Fame
Nadal over Nole at slams.
11-7.
11-7.
TMF
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokofans are ruining this wonderful forum as they always trying so hard to convince Djokovic is better/greater than Fedal. Bumping up old threads is an agenda to prove "Djokovic is the best" is not going to convince anyone except his fanboys.
People root against Djokovic because his obnoxious fans are the sole reason
People root against Djokovic because his obnoxious fans are the sole reason
Neptune
Hall of Fame
10 at FO alone, so if Rafa is a total mug outside of clay, the slam would be 8-2, lol
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Rafa vs Fed
Lauren_Girl'
Hall of Fame
2010 wasn't prime Djokovic so it's either Djokovic leads 3-2 or he leads 2-1. But how can anyone overlook the context.... sooo many examples of Nadal chickening out and losing to mugs early before facing Djokovic, especially in AO (but not only).
Imagine if Djokodal played 10 matches on the Rod Laver Arena. That's the main difference, Djokovic hardly ever misses chances to meet Nadal in RG. They played 10 times there and 10 times in Rome.
When Nadal meets Djokovic 10 times in AO and 10 times in Bercy, we'll talk.
At the end of the day Djokovic proved over and over and over again he can beat and straight set Nadal EVERYWHERE including in his worst tournaments like Monaco. Nadal still has a lot of things to prove off clay. We are still waiting for his first AO, Miami, Cincinnati, Paris and Wimbledon wins against Djokovic. How long do we have to wait?
Please give your arguments then. I don't always agree with everything you say but they're always insightful.
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nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
AO straight sets win
IW straight sets win
Miami straight sets demolition
MC 2 straight sets wins
Madrid straight sets win
Rome straight sets win
RG straight sets win
Wimbledon is only one till now where Djokovic couldn't straight set him
Rogers cup straight sets win
Cincinnati straight sets win
USopen another one where couldn't straight sets
Shanghai never met
Paris straight sets win
ATP finals straight sets win
If the sample size is larger, djokovic would have straight setted him in every big tournament.
IW straight sets win
Miami straight sets demolition
MC 2 straight sets wins
Madrid straight sets win
Rome straight sets win
RG straight sets win
Wimbledon is only one till now where Djokovic couldn't straight set him
Rogers cup straight sets win
Cincinnati straight sets win
USopen another one where couldn't straight sets
Shanghai never met
Paris straight sets win
ATP finals straight sets win
If the sample size is larger, djokovic would have straight setted him in every big tournament.
King_ Zeglan12
Professional
Looks like a thread to ignite fan wars but I'll give my view
Purely going by numbers, it's Djokovic thanks to his insane domination on HC the last decade but a point to note is majority of those matches were in Nadal's down period
After 2014, Nadal's physicality had a huge drop off that rendered him quite uncompetitive vs Djokovic on HC
I'll keep the timeframe of meaningful comparison as 2008-2014
2008 since that's the year Djokovic became a slam champion
The HC h2h in this period is 12-5 Djokovic
Slam h2h is 2-2 with Nadal giving peak Djokovic his toughest HC slam final ever
The CC h2h is 11-4 Nadal
Slam h2h is 4-0 Nadal
These overall numbers suggests that both dominated the other on their preferred surface similarly but Nadal was able to able to grab the 2 big slam wins
Keeping slam h2h in mind, I feel the matchup was more lopsided on a clay court when both where in their primes
P.S : Kudos to Djokovic though for maintaining his physicality with only a slight drop off but Nadal was just unable to do so (his fault or unlucky, idk) so I felt it would be an unfair comparison to include anything after 2014
Purely going by numbers, it's Djokovic thanks to his insane domination on HC the last decade but a point to note is majority of those matches were in Nadal's down period
After 2014, Nadal's physicality had a huge drop off that rendered him quite uncompetitive vs Djokovic on HC
I'll keep the timeframe of meaningful comparison as 2008-2014
2008 since that's the year Djokovic became a slam champion
The HC h2h in this period is 12-5 Djokovic
Slam h2h is 2-2 with Nadal giving peak Djokovic his toughest HC slam final ever
The CC h2h is 11-4 Nadal
Slam h2h is 4-0 Nadal
These overall numbers suggests that both dominated the other on their preferred surface similarly but Nadal was able to able to grab the 2 big slam wins
Keeping slam h2h in mind, I feel the matchup was more lopsided on a clay court when both where in their primes
P.S : Kudos to Djokovic though for maintaining his physicality with only a slight drop off but Nadal was just unable to do so (his fault or unlucky, idk) so I felt it would be an unfair comparison to include anything after 2014
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Neptune
Hall of Fame
If you want to talk about prime, then
When both in Top2
Nole-Rafa HC 8-1
Rafa-Nole CC 5-3
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Nadal's down period lasted more than a decade now. It's not Djokovic's fault Nadal doesn't show up at all.
Djokovic avoided Nadal in 2009, 2014 and 2017 so it’s not all one way.
GoatNo1
Legend
nole won vs rafa in every major competition in the calendar where they met (they didn't play just in sangaj)!
Rafa never won vs nole at AO, Miami, Cincinnati and Paris.
means he is without victory in half of the HC slams, 60% of the HC masters where they met and half of the HC indoor big tournaments!
of the big tournaments on clay nole has no multiple victories, only at rafina house at the masters in madrid.
| Tournament | No1e | Rafa |
|---|---|---|
| Australian Open | 2 | 0 |
| French Open | 2 | 8 |
| Wimbledon | 2 | 1 |
| US Open | 1 | 2 |
| Indian Wells Masters | 3 | 1 |
| Miami Open | 3 | 0 |
| Monte-Carlo Masters | 2 | 2 |
| Italian Open | 3 | 6 |
| German Open / Madrid Open | 1 | 3 |
| Canadian Open | 1 | 1 |
| Cincinnati Masters | 2 | 0 |
| Paris Masters | 1 | 0 |
| ATP Tour Finals | 3 | 2 |
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Exactly blatant lie to remove Djokovic's wins post 2014 but taking nadal's wins pre 2011
Neptune
Hall of Fame
YEC knock out stage: 2-0 (again 0 set)
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Sets won for on HC 48 21 Djokovic or 70% sets won for Djokovic.
Sets won on Clay 50:29 Nadal or 63% by Nadal.
Even in sets won Djokovic is far closer. And many of his matches have at least been competitive.
Nadal has been almost not competitive in half of the matches vs Djokovic, maybe even more than half.
Sets won on Clay 50:29 Nadal or 63% by Nadal.
Even in sets won Djokovic is far closer. And many of his matches have at least been competitive.
Nadal has been almost not competitive in half of the matches vs Djokovic, maybe even more than half.
Neptune
Hall of Fame
16 out of the 27 HC matches lost in straight sets.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
That's more than half. Its complete ownage.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal leads at the US Open too.
If you want to cherry pick. 6-4 to Nadal in matches in majors against Djokovic from the 2012 French Open onwards. Ownage? Nadal annoys the crazier Djokovic fans because he stood his ground against Djokovic very well indeed. And they always seem to be at their loudest when Nadal is out injured.
Lauren_Girl'
Hall of Fame
LOL So pointing out facts is baiting and trolling now? Then we are all trolls here. Every fan bases, every posters.
How is mentionning the Slam distrubution ''trolling''?
Numbers don't lie.
Clay is Nadal's favorite surface and Djokovic's worst.
Clay only represents 4/14 of the Majors. 28.6%
More than half of Djokodal's Slams/Masters matches were on clay.
And yet Djokovic still leads the overall H2H despite this huge amount of clay matches. Interesting.
Saying Nadal never defeated Djokovic in major tournaments like AO, Wimbledon, Miami, Cincinnati and Paris is trolling?
Wondering why they had to few matches in Djokovic's best tournaments (like AO and Paris) and so many matches in Nadal's favorite tournaments (20 in Rome/RG only) is trolling?
We are just highlighting facts here.
Tennfan123
Legend
Djoko HQ working overtime
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal has beat Djokovic at Wimbledon, in the 2007 semi final.
11-7 to Nadal in matches in majors is also a fact. When that's pointed out, they want to discard clay as if it doesn't matter. It's ridiculous.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Why can't I just turn that around and mention the huge number of hardcourt matches, and the fact that Djokovic was 7-0 against 2015-2016 Nadal and that this gives him the edge in the overall 30-29 head-to-head? A lot of Djokovic fans hate that Nadal has stood his ground against Djokovic.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Really? Even if true, Nadal still holds his ground against Djokovic. Imagine what a 100% Nadal does. This is why Nadal and Nadal fans get all this criticism from the fanatics of Djokovic.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Nadal winning the h2h at the us open, for many thw main hard court event renders the question a non issue. Slams are where players are judged ultimately with their h2hds
Neptune
Hall of Fame
Yeah, slam draw rigging for Rafa, and against Nole.
4 of the 5 HC slam matches Nole had 5-set max wear down right before they meet, the only exception is AO19, and it was a beat down.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
I think to be honest having seen other social media sites there is clearly resentment and bitterness with djokovic fans that Nadal is seen as the greater player among neutrals. Ultimately Djokovic won most of his slams when federer and nadal, and indeed murray were off the tour more often than on it. That argument by nadal and federer fans has been run for a couple of years now since Djokovic fans invented the asterisked slam argument. Karma can be very unkind. It is a shame as i think Djokovic deserves far more respect and adulation than he gets ( the eurosport advert for the AO that has Nadal front and cenrptre and Djokovic nowhere on it is astonishing) but i think his fans have damaged his standing.
You see this in other sports especially soccer. Clubs who have a reputation for violent fans tend to get less credit than other teams for the same achievements.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
When nadal set the slam record didnt he at the age of 35 have a draw that saw him hace to play 4 top 10 players? Are you saying that was rigged against Nadal?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Eating them UP
Neptune
Hall of Fame
It is HC and grass Rafa needs help, badly.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Has Nadal had Karatsev Norrie and rookie ben shelton in a slam semi final?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Neptune
Hall of Fame
go look up all the SF opponents
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
So create your OWN threads about 11-7
This is perfectly valid thread. Djokovic has now owned Nadal on hc. Way more than Nadal ever did Djokovic.
This is perfectly valid thread. Djokovic has now owned Nadal on hc. Way more than Nadal ever did Djokovic.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
You gonna sleep today?
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Since 2011, off clay. Any more cherry picking?Because we know what off clay looks like. Save your lies for someone clueless.
6-4 to Nadal in matches in majors since the 2012 French Open, and 11-7 to Nadal in all their careers in matches in the majors.
How about we discard hardcourt like you keep discarding clay? Only 10 non-hardcourt majors for Djokovic, and 16 for Nadal.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Wont surprise me if Nadal wins the Us Open this year. Just have a feeling he would love a record at 2 of the slams like Federer has.Yeah bc Novak has more US Opens than Rafa lol
Turning Pro
Hall of Fame
Lucky it wasn't 13-5. Luckily the Ao12 backhand and the infamous FIXED roof scandal of Wimby 2018 helped 
Neptune
Hall of Fame
Because we know what off clay looks like. Save your lies for someone clueless.
Clay specialist in Nole Era.
Phoenix*
Professional
11-7 is 1-2 broken down by surface. There you go.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
2024 TTW in a nutshell
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
Before 2011 off-HC:Because we know what off clay looks like. Save your lies for someone clueless.
Nadal - Djokovic 11-0.
Phoenix*
Professional
Pre prime and excluding the main surface. Not as good.
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