Which of Federer's important records will stand the test of time?

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MeatTornado said:
So then it's not actually about dominating your generation like you originally said. Which is fine, but don't make that argument and then pull a "well it doesn't count for him because his gen wasn't as good."
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It is. I was just responding to your post about how dominant he was during the Fluff period of his generation is all. Djokodal>Fed, we don't need to belabor that fact.
 
mike danny said:
5 consecutive titles at 2 different slams will stand for a very long time.

I'd say Fed's Wimb record also will.
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Just entertain me a little thought experiment. What if Tsitsipas wins his first Wimbledon in the next 2 years, and then goes on a streak and breaks the Wimbledon record, getting 9 titles? Would you consider him Grass GOAT?
 
daggerman said:
Most sets of twins produced by any pro tennis player (record shared with former pro Mirka Vavrinec). Highly doubt any player gets to 3.
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This normally happens with IVF. I wonder if that's what Federer and his wife did. Nothing wrong with it but just curious because 2 sets of twins is not common.
 
not many of them. one reason i'd like to see him play some smaller tournaments and get to the all time most tournament wins. that's a pretty cool one.
 
Steve0904 said:
Besides the fact that Roddick has won grass titles, and made Wimbledon SFs and Finals and is a far and away better player than all of them combined on every surface except clay, I agree.
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And yet despite all that, Roddick was equally efficient at preventing Federer from winning more big titles as the players you mention are at stopping Djokodal.
 
PETEhammer said:
And yet despite all that, Roddick was equally efficient at preventing Federer from winning more big titles as the players you mention are at stopping Djokodal.
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So? He was still the much better player. In fact, I'd say Roddick was on par with Ivanisevic on grass. And Ivanisevic only barely won a Wimbledon anyway after Fed himself took out Sampras. A luxury that was never afforded to Roddick because Fed was too consistent.
 
Steve0904 said:
So? He was still the much better player. In fact, I'd say Roddick was on par with Ivanisevic on grass. And Ivanisevic only barely won a Wimbledon anyway after Fed himself took out Sampras. A luxury that was never afforded to Roddick because Fed was too consistent.
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237 weeks at 1 will always remind everyone that Federer is the BOSS and it is his records that 1 by 1 his rivals beat in parts, not all ....

Rating Parameter = Federer

not ur petros, he is a forgotten 1 trick pony
 
Steve0904 said:
And this is supposed to be relevant to the point at hand how? I know it's the journeyman that beat Roddick in 2010, but it still doesn't make sense.
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Federer was taken out for Roddick literally the year after he made a final...Goran's "luxury" as you call it of having Petros taken out didn't come until 3 years after his last final.
 
PETEhammer said:
Federer was taken out for Roddick literally the year after he made a final...Goran's "luxury" as you call it of having Petros taken out didn't come until 3 years after his last final.
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And everyone knew Roddick was well past it in 2010 despite making the final in 09. His final in 09 was a surprise. For anyone that followed tennis then anyway. He would've had trouble beating Berdych, Djokovic and Nadal at least.
 
PETEhammer said:
Just entertain me a little thought experiment. What if Tsitsipas wins his first Wimbledon in the next 2 years, and then goes on a streak and breaks the Wimbledon record, getting 9 titles? Would you consider him Grass GOAT?
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Federer was still few days short of his 22nd birthday when he won wimbledon
Tsitsi is 22+

So the clock is ticking, he doesn't have 2 years to win his first title and then create some streak to win 9 titles.
 
I don't understand this crusade to discredit Federer. He is a great player, and one of the best and definitely miles and miles better than anyone but the other big 3.(And that DEFINITELY includes Sampras)

The fact that he will be in top 3 of almost every record imaginable, is a testament to his abilities. He is not my GOAT, never will be, but people here are far harder on him than others these days.
 
PETEhammer said:
And Goran was definitely in his prime in 2001 ;)
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Obviously not, but nor was Roddick in 09 and he came as close as you can without winning. I'm not changing stance just because Goran had a miracle run in 2001 winning 9-7, and Roddick barely missed in 2009 losing 14-16. Ivanisevic and Roddick are very similar level players on grass. Sampras beat Ivanisevic a lot and Federer did the same to Roddick.
 
Sunny014 said:
237 weeks at 1 will always remind everyone that Federer is the BOSS and it is his records that 1 by 1 his rivals beat in parts, not all ....

Rating Parameter = Federer

not ur petros, he is a forgotten 1 trick pony
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iu
 
Sunny014 said:
Federer was still few days short of his 22nd birthday when he won wimbledon
Tsitsi is 22+

So the clock is ticking, he doesn't have 2 years to win his first title and then create some streak to win 9 titles.
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iu
 
Steve0904 said:
Obviously not, but nor was Roddick in 09 and he came as close as you can without winning. I'm not changing stance just because Goran had a miracle run in 2001 winning 9-7, and Roddick barely missed in 2009 losing 14-16. Ivanisevic and Roddick are very similar level players on grass. Sampras beat Ivanisevic a lot and Federer did the same to Roddick.
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Of course you won't ;)

Roddick had plenty of opportunity to be a Wimbledon champion, both in his actual final v his Master Fed, and the year right after. His failure is on him. Goran by contrast toughed it out well past his prime showing he was actually a true potential multi-time Wimbledon champ were it not for Petros. And Goran, unlike Roddick, had the game to beat the dominant Wimbledon champ, but was denied by the dominant Champ's greater clutchness.

With Roddick, any half-decent Fed showed up and he was toast.
 
PETEhammer said:
Of course you won't ;)

Roddick had plenty of opportunity to be a Wimbledon champion, both in his actual final v his Master Fed, and the year right after. His failure is on him. Goran by contrast toughed it out well past his prime showing he was actually a true potential multi-time Wimbledon champ were it not for Petros. And Goran, unlike Roddick, had the game to beat the dominant Wimbledon champ, but was denied by his greater clutchness.

With Roddick, any half-decent Fed showed up and he was toast.
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You act like you'll change stance, lol. You're no better than I am. Picking on Roddick's 2010 is like the last year I'd focus on to say the failures on him. Focus on 2009 or 2004, not 2010.
 
Steve0904 said:
You act like you'll change stance, lol. You're no better than I am. Picking on Roddick's 2010 is like the last year I'd pick on to say the failures on him. Pick on 2009 or 2004, not 2010.
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Your claim that Goran only got the W because of having the dominant player of his time taken out and that Roddick didn't have the same "luxury" is what was wrong. I'm not picking on Roddick, I like him, despite his pigeon status. But truth is real. 2010 was his moment and he let it slip away. Goran hopped on his chance the minute it came up.
 
PETEhammer said:
Your claim that Goran only got the W because of having the dominant player of his time taken out and that Roddick didn't have the same "luxury" is what was wrong. I'm not picking on Roddick, I like him, despite his pigeon status. But truth is real. 2010 was his moment and he let it slip away. Goran hopped on his chance the minute it came up.
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You don't know that's wrong though. It's an opinion, not a fact that can be proved or otherwise.
 
Steve0904 said:
You don't know that's wrong though. It's an opinion, not a fact that can be proved or otherwise.
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It is a fact. Federer was taken out the year after Roddick lost to him. He had the "luxury" of having a run at Wimbledon with his dominant generational champion beaten and failed. Goran had the same opportunity and succeeded. Hence, there was no inequality of luxury. Both were equally luxurious.
 
PETEhammer said:
It is a fact. Federer was taken out the year after Roddick lost to him. He had the "luxury" of having a run at Wimbledon with his dominant generational champion beaten and failed. Goran had the same opportunity and succeeded. Hence, there was no inequality of luxury. Both were equally luxurious.
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Roddick was afforded the same luxury and didn't succeed yes, but that's only half of it. The other half of it (the opinion that Ivanisevic would not have beaten Sampras) stands as just that. As such my statement is not right or wrong.
 
Steve0904 said:
Roddick was afforded the same luxury and didn't succeed yes, but that's only half of it. The other half of it (the opinion that Ivanisevic would not have beaten Sampras) stands as just that.
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That's the only half I expected you to rescind. The rest is opinion, although Ivanisevic did actually beat Petros at Wimbledon in '92, and Petros though not yet in possession of Mjolnir, was quite mighty even then.
 
PETEhammer said:
That's the only half I expected you to rescind. The rest is opinion, although Ivanisevic did actually beat Petros at Wimbledon in '92, and Petros though not yet in possession of Mjolnir, was quite mighty even then.
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Fine, but I still don't see any significance difference in the levels of the players on grass. Accomplishment wise yes, but not really overall level. Goran is slightly better I'd say, but not to a great degree.
 
Steve0904 said:
Fine, but I still don't see any significance difference in the levels of the players on grass. Accomplishment wise yes, but not really overall level. Goran is slightly better I'd say, but not to a great degree.
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I think Goran was significantly more dangerous on fast, slick grass than Roddick was on slow grass. Massive lefty serve and the ability to take huge swings at returns enough to break anyone are reasons Pete said "Goran scared me on grass". I would add that he generally had good hands on that surface and could relentlessly pressure the returner with his net game in ways Roddick's serve and forehand combo never reached on slower grass.
 
PETEhammer said:
Obviously slam record is shot this year, and possibly later this week. Weeks at #1 is gone in a couple weeks as well. We have another thread that pointed out how Nadal is marching on most consecutive sets won in Slams record as well, and his was done by playing a fellow big 3 in the final at that. When Petros retired, everyone assumed his slams and weeks at #1 record would last forever. Sadly they were mistaken, but he still has a major achievement that has not been equaled let alone eclipsed: 6 consecutive year end #1s. For all his consecutive streaks, Fed was not able to equal it, nor were Djokodal.

So my question is simple: which one of Federer's important records (please, no consecutive quarterfinal slam streaks here) will survive the big 3 era?

What do you think?
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8 Wimbledons. I think Nole surpassing THAT would be a long shot albeit not impossible. Also, 5 CONSECUTIVE USO titles.

None of the rest. Slam record gone. Will soon lose the weeks at no.1 record. Is only joint leader for most USOs. CAN set that right with one more but it's a long shot, again.
 
PETEhammer said:
I think Goran was significantly more dangerous on fast, slick grass than Roddick was on slow grass. Massive lefty serve and the ability to take huge swings at returns enough to break anyone are reasons Pete said "Goran scared me on grass". I would add that he generally had good hands on that surface and could relentlessly pressure the returner with his net game in ways Roddick's serve and forehand combo never reached on slower grass.
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The Wimby 04 and 09 finals are similar to any close matches Goran had with Sampras. And Fed often said that if Roddick's serve was on anything could happen on that day.
 
Steve0904 said:
The Wimby 04 and 09 finals are similar to any close matches Goran had with Sampras. And Fed often said that if Roddick's serve was on anything could happen on that day.
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Did he? I only know Roddick himself said he never felt his serve bothered Fed. Whereas that was not the case with Goran's read of his serve v Petros, or Petros's lol
 
Steve0904 said:
Anyway we can end this here. We're only beating around the bush now. You tried to compare Roddick on grass to the next gen guys, why I still have no idea, but I digress.
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Because you were saying none of current gen has the ability to beat Djokodal at slams and I said Roddick had the same problem against Federer.
 
The_Order said:
He lost an exo to 37 year old Pete
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In these exhibition matches they dont even play at half the intensity.
Have u seen how Nadal played in that hit for haiti match ?

Even Agassi said " you move a lot faster on TV "

same with Fed, he was taking it lightly in that match vs Pete.

Had he played with the intention to beat, he would have crushed Pete 6-0
 
PETEhammer said:
Because you were saying none of current gen has the ability to beat Djokodal at slams and I said Roddick had the same problem against Federer.
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Roddick was better than Goran or as good, you might dream of Goran troubling Federer but in realtime that never would have happened if they faced.
Just because Pete found him scary doesn't mean Goran's serves would be effective on Federer.

Federer is freakin 2-0 vs Goran, both wins over indoors, one on HC and other of CARPET and both in 2001 when Goran won his only slam.

Goran would be lucky to even take a set off Federer, he can scare Pete, not Federer.
 
USO said:
Most Wimbledon titles

Winning 2 different slams for 5 consecutive times

Winning 3 different slams at least 5 times each

Etc.
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The ones pointed out will stand the course of time. Particularly 5 consecutive at 2 slams.

5 slams at 3 tournament : Djokovic has a shot, another 2 US opens
8 Wimbledon : again Djokovic has a shot

Other than 23 semis in a row, there is 10 finals in a row.
18 finals in 19 slams - if that counts

And finally
3 slams in a year 3 times. Only Djokovic has a shot but don't think he can win 3 slams a year now.
 
Pheasant said:
His 8 Wimbledon crowns can be broken. It might not happen soon, but it's breakable. Others have done 8+ at different slam events. So his 8 on grass is breakable.

Note: I believe his 237 consecutive weeks at #1 could be broken. Players are able to overcome injuries much better these days. Besides, had Lendl not had a ton of injuries in 1988, including shoulder surgery immediately after the USO that year, then he would have dusted Fed's 237 mark.

I'm going for this one: 24 consecutive wins in championship matches. This takes the cake. The next best is 19 straight(Laver). I love this record and I don't see it going away. A 24 match winning streak in championship matches shows insane domination. It's an underrated record and it's my pick.
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U mean 24 consecutive final wins which was finally broken by Nalbandian in 2005 YEC/Masters.


Of hand I think that was 23 consecutive finals won. In the 24th he lost
 
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