Which of the big 3 have hurt the legacy of the other 2 the most?

[The_Order]

All 3 have been a thorn in each other's side. While it's most likely the fact that they each play during the same period which is what drove each of them to become the players they are...

Let's say hypothetically they still become the players they are without one of the other two around...

Which ONE has laid the hurt factor to the other two the most?

No Nadal:

Fed wins:
AO: 04, 06, 07, 09, 10, 14, 17, 18
RG: 05, 06, 07, 09, 11
WIM: 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 12, 17
US: 04, 05, 06, 07, 08

Total: 27 majors, 5+ of each major, all time title lead at each major except RG where he is 1 short, 2 CYGS, 7 Wimbledons in a row

Novak wins:
AO: 08, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 19, 20
RG: 08, 12, 13, 14, 16, 20
WIM: 11, 14, 15, 18, 19
US: 10, 11, 13, 15, 18

Total: 24 majors, 5+ of each major, shares all time AO lead with Fed and all time RG lead with Borg

No Federer:

Nadal wins:
AO: 09, 17
RG: 05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20
WIM: 06, 07, 08, 10
US: 10, 13, 17, 19

Total: 23 majors, all time RG title lead

Novak wins:
AO: 08, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 19, 20
RG: 16
WIM: 11, 14, 15, 18, 19
US: 07, 08, 11, 15, 18

Total: 19 majors, all time AO lead, shares all time US lead

No Djokovic:

Fed wins:

AO: 04, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11, 16, 17, 18
RG: 09
WIM: 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 09, 12, 14, 15, 17, 19
US: 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 15

Total: 27 majors, 11 Wimbledon titles, 9 AO titles, 6 US titles (all time lead outright at all three)

Nadal wins:

AO: 09, 12, 19
RG: 05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20
WIM: 08, 10, 11, 18
US: 10, 11, 13, 17, 19

Total: 25 majors, RG all time lead, 3+ at each major

Obviously, I've made my own judgement... feel free to make yours and compare

From what I've concluded, Nadal has definitely hurt them both the most

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Yes Nadal kept Federer and Djokovic from winning a handful of RG a piece.

Next.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

It will always go back to that. No matter what. Just give up.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Before Wimbledon 2019, I would’ve said Rafa has hurt Roger the most but not anymore.

 

[Beckerserve]

Yes Nadal kept Federer and Djokovic from winning a handful of RG a piece.

Next.

Dude Nadal being GOAT has really triggered you hasnt it. I love Federer but alas W 2008 gives the nod to Nadal. Close though.

 

[Beckerserve]

Nadal has hurt Djokovic the most.
Djokovic has hurt Federer the most.
Nobody has hurt Nadal as nobody has beat him in a RG final.

 

[USO]

What about Murray, how many slams he would have without each of the Big 3?

 

[King No1e]

Nadal has hurt Djokovic the most.
Djokovic has hurt Federer the most.
Nobody has hurt Nadal as nobody has beat him in a RG final.

So Djokovic beating him twice at Wimbledon and AO doesn't hurt him? He would have 3 of every Slam (and a WTF title) if Djokovic didn't get those wins. He would've collected all the tennis Infinity Stones and snapped the GOAT debate out of existence.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Wait....This isn't a Minecraft tutorial?

 

[ForehandRF]

Before Wimbledon 2019, I would’ve said Rafa has hurt Roger the most but not anymore.

Definitely Djokovic has hurt Fed the most.Without those losses starting with 2014, we won't be having a discussion right now on who is the greatest.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Definitely Djokovic has hurt Fed the most.Without those losses starting with 2014, we won't be having a discussion right now on who is the greatest.

I felt sorry for him after the 2015 Wimbledon final. I didn’t think he would ever win a slam again

 

[ForehandRF]

I felt sorry for him after the 2015 Wimbledon final. I didn’t think he would ever win a slam again

2014 was an even sadder story because he managed to keep it close in the end, unlike 2015 where he was lucky not to lose in straights.There is no need to discuss Wimbledon 2019.

 

[octogon]

Nadal owns both the other two in slams H2H.

The answer is fairly obvious.

 

[ForehandRF]

Nadal owns both the other two in slams H2H.

The answer is fairly obvious.

Not obvious at all.Djokovic has hurt Federer more than Nadal did.

 

[DSH]

Federer has taken more than 200 weeks from Nadal at No. 1, in addition to preventing Spaniard from ending the season at No. 1 on 4 occasions.
He has taken two Miami titles, two IW titles, 1 Australian title, 2 or 3 Wimbledon titles, a Shanghai title, a Basel title, 2 or 3 WTF titles.
I don't even count the titles of Hamburg and Madrid on clay.

Without the Swiss in between, Nadal would have surpassed the record of consecutive weeks as number 1 that Connors had at that time, he would have equaled the record of six consecutive years ending the season as number 1 of Sampras (2005-2010).

He would have won the DCGS.
He would have been a Wimbledon legend, on par with Borg.
He would have been an even better player on hard courts.
And he would have been a Master on indoor hard courts.

 

[GabeT]

Yes Nadal kept Federer and Djokovic from winning a handful of RG a piece.

Next.

it’s mostly this

 

[BackhandDTL]

Kind of unfortunate because there are some nice Fed fans here like Townsy and Federev. And I like Fed.

but then you have delusionals like TennisProExpert, and Peoples Champ, and tennis_pro.

 

[DSH]

Kind of unfortunate because there are some nice Fed fans here like Townsy and Federev. And I like Fed.

but then you have delusionals like TennisProExpert, and Peoples Champ, and tennis_pro.

Only them?

There are much more of that type!

 

[BackhandDTL]

Only them?

There are much more of that type!

Now that I look back at it, 80% of Fred fans on this forum either enforce certain narratives that even they know are not true or are completely delusional.

 

[DSH]

Now that I look back at it, 80% of Fred fans on this forum either enforce certain narratives that even they know are not true or are completely delusional.

I could name many of them but it is better not to reach that level of baseness.
You still can...

 

[demrle]

All 3 have been a thorn in each other's side. While it's most likely the fact that they each play during the same period which is what drove each of them to become the players they are...

Let's say hypothetically they still become the players they are without one of the other two around...

Which ONE has laid the hurt factor to the other two the most?

No Nadal:

Fed wins:
AO: 04, 06, 07, 09, 10, 14, 17, 18
RG: 05, 06, 07, 09, 11
WIM: 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 12, 17
US: 04, 05, 06, 07, 08

Total: 27 majors, 5+ of each major, all time title lead at each major except RG where he is 1 short, 2 CYGS, 7 Wimbledons in a row

Novak wins:
AO: 08, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 19, 20
RG: 08, 12, 13, 14, 16, 20
WIM: 11, 14, 15, 18, 19
US: 10, 11, 13, 15, 18

Total: 24 majors, 5+ of each major, shares all time AO lead with Fed and all time RG lead with Borg

No Federer:

Nadal wins:
AO: 09, 17
RG: 05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20
WIM: 06, 07, 08, 10
US: 10, 13, 17, 19

Total: 23 majors, all time RG title lead

Novak wins:
AO: 08, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 19, 20
RG: 16
WIM: 11, 14, 15, 18, 19
US: 07, 08, 11, 15, 18

Total: 19 majors, all time AO lead, shares all time US lead

No Djokovic:

Fed wins:

AO: 04, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11, 16, 17, 18
RG: 09
WIM: 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 09, 12, 14, 15, 17, 19
US: 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 15

Total: 27 majors, 11 Wimbledon titles, 9 AO titles, 6 US titles (all time lead outright at all three)

Nadal wins:

AO: 09, 12, 19
RG: 05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20
WIM: 08, 10, 11, 18
US: 10, 11, 13, 17, 19

Total: 25 majors, RG all time lead, 3+ at each major

Obviously, I've made my own judgement... feel free to make yours and compare

From what I've concluded, Nadal has definitely hurt them both the most

Respect for the effort, OP.

Discussion.

No Nadal => Federer and Djokovic win 14 more slams
No Djokovic => Federer and Nadal win 12 more slams

No Federer => Nadal and Djokovic win 5 more slams
No Wawrinka =>Nadal and Djokovic win 3 more slams
No Murray => Nadal and Djokovic win 2 more slams

Conclusion.

1) Wawrinka + Murray equally important as Fed
1.5) No big 3

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Nadal prepped the Federer wounds for Djokovic to feast on later.
Djokovic hurt Nadal the most by making him look so second best in 2011.
I would say Djokovic has hurt Federer and Nadal more than they have hurt him.

 

[demrle]

Nadal prepped the Federer wounds for Djokovic to feast on later.
Djokovic hurt Nadal the most by making him look so second best in 2011.
I would say Djokovic has hurt Federer and Nadal more than they have hurt him.

Using your qualitative approach (as opposed to OP's quantitative one), I'd say that there's no question that Nadal hurt Federer more, as he killed the momentum Roger had in the first half of 2000's and, as you said, prepped him for future losses.

Djokovic got hurt more or less the same by both.

As for Nadal, it's Djokovic who has hurt him more, in similar fashion to what Nadal did to Federer, and its not even close.

 

[ericarnett88]

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[UnderratedSlam]

You really didn't need this extensive, roundabout analysis.

All you had to do is show their H2Hs in slams, and since Rafa leads both of them he is the winner of this thread.

 

[TennisProExpert]

Nadal hurt Fed the most with those 08-09 losses. Djokovic cost him more slams but most of those were since 2014 where he wasn’t expected to win.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Kind of unfortunate because there are some nice Fed fans here like Townsy and Federev. And I like Fed.

but then you have delusionals like TennisProExpert, and Peoples Champ, and tennis_pro.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Dude Nadal being GOAT has really triggered you hasnt it. I love Federer but alas W 2008 gives the nod to Nadal. Close though.

Can't be triggered by a lie.

 

[dellealpi10]

Definitely Djokovic has hurt Fed the most.Without those losses starting with 2014, we won't be having a discussion right now on who is the greatest.

No, Nadal has hurt Fed the most. Do you remember Federer’s tears after AUO2009 Final?

 

[PeoplesChamp]

No, Nadal has hurt Fed the most. Do you remember Federer’s tears after AUO2009 Final?

Nadal cried after 2007 Wimbledon. Who gives a feck.

 

[TennisProExpert]

Coming from a guy like that lol. Something something Bagdhatis.

 

[dellealpi10]

Nadal cried after 2007 Wimbledon. Who gives a feck.

No one can see Nadal crying. It is in lock room
Everyone can see Federer crying.

 

[ForehandRF]

No, Nadal has hurt Fed the most. Do you remember Federer’s tears after AUO2009 Final?

Yeah, but Fed was still young and had time to add to his legacy.On the other hand, Djokovic hurt him the most late in Fed's career and did it multiple times at Wimbledon, no less.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

No one can see Nadal crying. It is in lock room
Everyone can see Federer crying.

How old are you? Grow up. Athletes cry. End of story.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Coming from a guy like that lol. Something something Bagdhatis.

I've come to notice that the more the truth is shoved down their throats, the more they hate you and call you the opposite (delusional).

 

[FrontHeadlock]

1. Nadal has hurt Federer's legacy the most. Without Nadal, Fed would have a bunch of RG titles and would be far and away the GOAT. It wouldn't be close.

2. Djokovic has hurt Nadal's legacy the most, in that he is consistent and gets a lot of the "secondary" arguments for GOAT.

3. Federer and Nadal have both hurt Djokovic's legacy because Djokovic is super unlikable and gets compared to them. Without Fedal, Djokovic would get a LOT more favorable press and would be compared to Sampras who was as interesting as a wet blanket, whereas now he just gets compared to Fedal constantly and loses both with the public as well as commentators.

 

[clout]

It's gotta be Nadal on Federer. Without Nadal, Federer would've:

- Won the CYGS 2 times (2006 & 2007)
- Won 11 straight slams (!!!!!) between 05 RG and 07 USO; that's almost three NCYGS in a row ffs
- Won 6 straight slams between 08 RG and 09 WI; if you’re still counting at this point he’d have won the NCYGS for the third time in his career
- Won 7 out of 8 slams between 08 RG and 10 AO
- Won 21 out of 25 slams between 04 AO and 10 AO
- Won 17 out of 18 slams between 05 RG and 09 WI
- Won 7 straight Wimbledon titles
- Won 8 Australian Opens (tying Nole's eventual record)
- Won at least 3 majors/season for 6 years straight between 2004-2009
- Won around 5 RG titles to give him 5+ majors at each event and on all three surfaces
- Been world number one for about 400 consecutive weeks; he would've held it from early 2004 until Djokovic happened in 2011)
- Been YEN1 for 7 years in a row (2004-2010)
- Overall distribution would've been 8 AOs, 5/6 RGs, 9 WIs, 5 USOs giving him approximately 27/28 slams.
- Pretty much no one would be in the same universe as Federer was between 2004 all the way through 2010.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Federer has taken more than 200 weeks from Nadal at No. 1, in addition to preventing Spaniard from ending the season at No. 1 on 4 occasions.
He has taken two Miami titles, two IW titles, 1 Australian title, 2 or 3 Wimbledon titles, a Shanghai title, a Basel title, 2 or 3 WTF titles.
I don't even count the titles of Hamburg and Madrid on clay.

Without the Swiss in between, Nadal would have surpassed the record of consecutive weeks as number 1 that Connors had at that time, he would have equaled the record of six consecutive years ending the season as number 1 of Sampras (2005-2010).

He would have won the DCGS.
He would have been a Wimbledon legend, on a par with Borg.
He would have been an even better player on hard courts.
And he would have been a Master on indoor hard courts.

This explains some of the hate then. It's unbelievable "fans" look at things like this instead of just loving their guy and eschewing the vitriol.

 

[Zetty]

Djokovic, he kept the Federer-Nadal 1-2 setup for the longest time

 

[Eren]

Federer has taken more than 200 weeks from Nadal at No. 1, in addition to preventing Spaniard from ending the season at No. 1 on 4 occasions.
He has taken two Miami titles, two IW titles, 1 Australian title, 2 or 3 Wimbledon titles, a Shanghai title, a Basel title, 2 or 3 WTF titles.
I don't even count the titles of Hamburg and Madrid on clay.

Without the Swiss in between, Nadal would have surpassed the record of consecutive weeks as number 1 that Connors had at that time, he would have equaled the record of six consecutive years ending the season as number 1 of Sampras (2005-2010).

He would have won the DCGS.
He would have been a Wimbledon legend, on a par with Borg.
He would have been an even better player on hard courts.
And he would have been a Master on indoor hard courts.

Good take. I have never looked at it from this perspective.

 

[DSH]

This explains some of the hate then. It's unbelievable "fans" look at things like this instead of just loving their guy and eschewing the vitriol.

It is a figure of speech.
You have to read between the lines sometimes.
Don't take it so seriously!

 

[Beckerserve]

Can't be triggered by a lie.

Nadal did beat Roger at W2008.

 

[The_Order]

Nadal did beat Roger at W2008.

Means nothing... don't you know that Roger was too old and suffering from mono? Have you only been watching tennis for the last 5 years?

 

[Icarus]

Means nothing... don't you know that Roger was too old and suffering from mono? Have you only been watching tennis for the last 5 years?

Nah he was suffering from weak era syndrome during that time lols

 

[MichaelNadal]

It's gotta be Nadal on Federer. Without Nadal, Federer would've:

- Won the CYGS 2 times (2006 & 2007)
- Won 11 straight slams (!!!!!) between 05 RG and 07 USO; that's almost three NCYGS in a row ffs
- Won 6 straight slams between 08 RG and 09 WI
- Won 7/8 slams between 08 RG and 10 AO
- Won 21 out of 25 slams between 04 AO and 10 AO
- Won 7 straight Wimbledon titles
- Won 8 Australian Opens (tying Nole's eventual record)
- Won at least 3 majors for 6 years straight between 2004-2009
- Won around 5 RG titles to give him 5+ majors at each event
- Been world number one for about 400 consecutive weeks; he would've held it from early until Djokovic happened in 2011)
- Been YEN1 for 7 years in a row (2004-2010)
- Overall distribution would've been 8 AOs, 5/6 RGs, 9 WIs, 5 USOs giving him approximately 27/28 slams.
- Pretty much no one would be in the same universe as Federer was between 2004 all the way through 2010.

Thankfully Rafa was there to save tennis, bc it would have been gross

 

[Beckerserve]

Means nothing... don't you know that Roger was too old and suffering from mono? Have you only been watching tennis for the last 5 years?

My bad

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Thankfully Rafa was there to save tennis, bc it would have been gross

But remember: Federer handcrafted Nadal.

So... who was truly doing the saving? And from whom?!

 

[TheNachoMan]

It's gotta be Nadal on Federer. Without Nadal, Federer would've:

- Won the CYGS 2 times (2006 & 2007)
- Won 11 straight slams (!!!!!) between 05 RG and 07 USO; that's almost three NCYGS in a row ffs
- Won 6 straight slams between 08 RG and 09 WI
- Won 7/8 slams between 08 RG and 10 AO
- Won 21 out of 25 slams between 04 AO and 10 AO
- Won 7 straight Wimbledon titles
- Won 8 Australian Opens (tying Nole's eventual record)
- Won at least 3 majors for 6 years straight between 2004-2009
- Won around 5 RG titles to give him 5+ majors at each event
- Been world number one for about 400 consecutive weeks; he would've held it from early until Djokovic happened in 2011)
- Been YEN1 for 7 years in a row (2004-2010)
- Overall distribution would've been 8 AOs, 5/6 RGs, 9 WIs, 5 USOs giving him approximately 27/28 slams.
- Pretty much no one would be in the same universe as Federer was between 2004 all the way through 2010.

Fed wishing he could build a time machine and convince young Rafa to play futbol

 

[The_Order]

It's gotta be Nadal on Federer. Without Nadal, Federer would've:

- Won the CYGS 2 times (2006 & 2007)
- Won 11 straight slams (!!!!!) between 05 RG and 07 USO; that's almost three NCYGS in a row ffs
- Won 6 straight slams between 08 RG and 09 WI
- Won 7/8 slams between 08 RG and 10 AO
- Won 21 out of 25 slams between 04 AO and 10 AO
- Won 7 straight Wimbledon titles
- Won 8 Australian Opens (tying Nole's eventual record)
- Won at least 3 majors for 6 years straight between 2004-2009
- Won around 5 RG titles to give him 5+ majors at each event
- Been world number one for about 400 consecutive weeks; he would've held it from early until Djokovic happened in 2011)
- Been YEN1 for 7 years in a row (2004-2010)
- Overall distribution would've been 8 AOs, 5/6 RGs, 9 WIs, 5 USOs giving him approximately 27/28 slams.
- Pretty much no one would be in the same universe as Federer was between 2004 all the way through 2010.

Hmmmm.... Federer fans must be pretty annoyed with the Spaniard... I wonder why they don't ever speak up about it?

 

[DSH]

Thankfully Rafa was there to save tennis, bc it would have been gross

Yikes!