Which of these two incredible records will be broken first?

What record will be broken first?


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Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
I am talking about the Grand Slam and Weeks at #1 records, both currently held by the Swiss Maestro, Roger Federer.



Nadal will need to win 2 more Slams to break the Slam record. And Djokovic needs exactly 38 weeks more to break the record for most weeks at number 1. This is assuming Federer does not add more Slams or weeks at #1, which he is still capable of doing, especially winning one more Slam.



Which of these two ATGs, Rafa and Nole, will reach the finishing line first?

 

Sport

Legend
Suspect that whatever the record is at the end of Big 3 era it will be gone in twenty years. Imagine how many Slams two of them would have won without the third.
Neither Tsitsipas nor even Medvedev have the talent to win over 20 Slams. If you look at tennis history, all players have had competence: even Laver with Rosewall and to a lesser degree Emerson. So the idea of a player as talented as one of the Big 3 but without competition his whole career is possible but unlikely. And your guess that it will be exactly in 20 years is pure speculation, wishful thinking so you can see in your lifetime how Nadal/Djokovic are surpassed if they end up with the Slam record. Just like Sampras fans have been waiting for years to see Federer surpassed.

It is Incorrect to assume that all records will be broken. Some records are indeed never broken. Wilt Chamberlain 50 points per game in an NBA season will likely never be broken. Nadal's record at RG maybe will never be broken. And the Grand Slam record of this generation maybe will never be broken. Only time knows.
 
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guitarra

Professional
Probably grand slam record will be broken first - Nadal has a good shot.

Weeks at #1 looks more secure now if Nadal overtakes Djokovic and in the next year or so the Next Generation will take over.
 

dellealpi10

New User
Some months ago, it seems that Nole likely to surpass "Week No. 1" record next summer and that Fed's record would be broken at first.

But now, Nadal likely finish this year to be No. 1. Maybe Nole need to wait about a half of year more. He can only reach 310 weeks in the end of 2020 or in the beginning of 2021 as soonest.

So, GS records will be broken at first I think.
 
I think it’s unlikely for Nadal to play enough to get and keep #1 for long. Weeks at #1 will be gone next year short of an ongoing Medvedev surge
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
But the one true GOAT will stay, wouldn't you agree?:)

Roger Federer inspired a generation.

Think about it.

Consider why you're here.

See? ;)
Are you saying Federer inspired even the real GOAT? But Fed himself says that the GOAT made him a better player and is his number 1 fan.:cool:
Well, I've always thought that there shoudn't be a GOAT debate in the sense that we act as if there's some objective GOAT.

So in my ideal world I'd say "I think Fed's the GOAT because his game is so inspiring" and a Nadal fan would say "Nadal's the GOAT because he's the greatest fighter ever" and it would all be quite friendly.

But it's never going to happen is it?
 

TennisFan3

Legend
Neither Tsitsipas nor even Medvedev have the talent to win over 20 Slams. If you look at tennis history, all players have had competence: even Laver with Rosewall and to a lesser degree Emerson. So the idea of a player as talented as one of the Big 3 but without competition his whole career is possible but unlikely. And your guess that it will be exactly in 20 years is pure speculation, wishful thinking so you can see in your lifetime how Nadal/Djokovic are surpassed if they end up with the Slam record. Just like Sampras fans have been waiting for years to see Federer surpassed.

It is Incorrect to assume that all records will be broken. Some records are indeed never broken. Wilt Chamberlain 50 points per game in an NBA season will likely never be broken. Nadal's record at RG maybe will never be broken. And the Grand Slam record of this generation maybe will never be broken. Only time knows.
Federer's slam record might be broken in the future. Weeks at #1 will also be likely broken and very soon by Novak himself. Most other tennis records will be broken.

But one record that will NEVER be broken is Nadal's clay record. His dominance on that surface, RG/MC titles and his W-L record in Paris and his ABSURD match winning streaks on clay -- those things will most likely never be matched by another player in the future.

This is an eloquent article on the same: http://www.tennisnow.com/News/2019/June/Next-Level-Nadal-has-Gone-Beyond-Greatness-in-Pari.aspx

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It may seem routine to all who saw it coming and who knew better than to expect any other outcome. But when Rafael Nadal stops winning Roland Garros titles one day in the not too distant future we will all look back in awe, the realization that his simple and sublime quest has yielded the greatest achievement of the greatest era of men’s tennis.

Those beads of sweat that colored the fabled clay of Court Philippe Chatrier, they’ll forever be a part of the fabric of Nadal’s magic in Paris. An improbable feat managed with the most humble of origins.

When he’s gone, replaced no doubt by a statue, we’ll know where to find the true essence of Nadal: in the terre battue, trampled beneath the feet of future generations, who will endeavor but never match what he’s accomplished.

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Yugram

Hall of Fame
Slemz record will be broken in 2020. Not so sure about weeks at #1 though as I believe Djokovic becomes less and less relevant outside of 4 tournaments a year.
 
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Sport

Legend
Federer's slam record might be broken in the future. Weeks at #1 will also be likely broken and very soon by Novak himself. Most other tennis records will be broken.

But one record that will NEVER be broken is Nadal's clay record. His dominance on that surface, RG/MC titles and his W-L record in Paris and his ABSURD match winning streaks on clay -- those things will most likely never be matched by another player in the future.

This is an eloquent article on the same: http://www.tennisnow.com/News/2019/June/Next-Level-Nadal-has-Gone-Beyond-Greatness-in-Pari.aspx

_________

It may seem routine to all who saw it coming and who knew better than to expect any other outcome. But when Rafael Nadal stops winning Roland Garros titles one day in the not too distant future we will all look back in awe, the realization that his simple and sublime quest has yielded the greatest achievement of the greatest era of men’s tennis.

Those beads of sweat that colored the fabled clay of Court Philippe Chatrier, they’ll forever be a part of the fabric of Nadal’s magic in Paris. An improbable feat managed with the most humble of origins.

When he’s gone, replaced no doubt by a statue, we’ll know where to find the true essence of Nadal: in the terre battue, trampled beneath the feet of future generations, who will endeavor but never match what he’s accomplished.

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Very insigthful article. Thanks for the sharing, I enjoyed the reading.
 

TennisFan3

Legend
Very insigthful article. Thanks for the sharing, I enjoyed the reading.
Yes. It's a beautiful article. It's one of my favorites on Nadal. I mean we just take F.O titles granted for Nadal, but it's beyond incredible what he is doing there at a slam which is historically been the hardest to dominate as players age.

Another one that I loved was on Wimb 2008 final by Bodo of all people:

The Death of Wanting
www.tennis.com

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"Somehow, in the back of your mind, you knew it was destined to come down to something like this - 9-7 in the fifth, with the champion Rafael Nadal prone on his back in the tawny dirt, looking like he'd been shot to death, which in a way he had been: because ultimate joy is, in the end, not very different from ultimate obliteration.
And if Nadal's exquisite moment of death - the death of wanting, the death of struggling, the death of so much longing and chasing and hoping in a match so full of winning and losing and squandering and earning that by the end all - all - of it was mixed up all jangly and tangled and equally meaningful - and equally meaningless. . . if that moment of utterly still, flat-on-your-back perfected nothingness seemed a scant and perhaps odd reward for what he had achieved, consider the plight of the man he had beaten, Roger Federer."
"As Nadal lay there, bathed in the obscene blue light of that crepuscular galaxy he momentarily owned, swaddled in the arms of an absence more pure than feeling (oh, the joy would come, don't you worry about that, it would come flooding and rushing in soon enough), his beaten opponent was suffering a fate far worse than obliteration "
So why did it have to come down to this? Why 9-7 in the fifth, in the twilight, at Wimbledon?
Only a fool could have expected (rather than merely hoped for) a win by Nadal in the fifth set. Serving the odd game, Federer was always in the lead. Execution-wise, both me were playing at a high level. But there was the lingering memory of that fourth-set tiebreaker, and the knowledge that Federer was the five-time defending champion. It seemed impossible that Nadal could win, but at the same time an undercurrent of inevitability - the same tug that had so many pundits brazenly forecasting a Nadal win in recent days - exerted a nearly equal gravitational pull. The tension became nearly unbearable, but it also imbued everyone watching with a sense of wonder; we all knew we were witnesses to something extraordinary.
Somehow, we all knew it was destined to come down to this: Rafael Nadal over Roger Federer, in the Wimbledon final, 6-4,6-4,6-7,6-7,9-7."
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Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
I am talking about the Grand Slam and Weeks at #1 records, both currently held by the Swiss Maestro, Roger Federer.



Nadal will need to win 2 more Slams to break the Slam record. And Djokovic needs exactly 38 weeks more to break the record for most weeks at number 1. This is assuming Federer does not add more Slams or weeks at #1, which he is still capable of doing, especially winning one more Slam.



Which of these two ATGs, Rafa and Nole, will reach the finishing line first?




 

40-15_forever

New User
Neither Tsitsipas nor even Medvedev have the talent to win over 20 Slams. If you look at tennis history, all players have had competence: even Laver with Rosewall and to a lesser degree Emerson. So the idea of a player as talented as one of the Big 3 but without competition his whole career is possible but unlikely. And your guess that it will be exactly in 20 years is pure speculation, wishful thinking so you can see in your lifetime how Nadal/Djokovic are surpassed if they end up with the Slam record. Just like Sampras fans have been waiting for years to see Federer surpassed.

It is Incorrect to assume that all records will be broken. Some records are indeed never broken. Wilt Chamberlain 50 points per game in an NBA season will likely never be broken. Nadal's record at RG maybe will never be broken. And the Grand Slam record of this generation maybe will never be broken. Only time knows.
People also underestimate the longevity required to win 20 GS or more. You need to be healthy and in top form for well over a decade, and that is easier said than done. Injuries are always going to happen. If you are fortunate you maybe lose a couple tournaments or a year, but as we have seen with Rafa, Novak, Andy, Del Po and Stan, it is not always quick or easy to comeback. Sometimes it can take well over a year before you are fully healthy and fit and sometimes you are never completely right again (as will most likely be the case with Andy). That feeds into another point which is that the margins at the top levels are so tight that even a minor step back in form/game can significantly impact a player's chances at a slam.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Which of these two incredible records will be broken first?
What record will be broken first?
  • Weeks at #1
  • Grand Slam record

I am talking about the Grand Slam and Weeks at #1 records, both currently held by the Swiss Maestro, Roger Federer.
What? In a list of "incredible (tennis) records," I expected to see 12 RG titles. Oh well.

Of these specified two, I would say weeks at no. 1. (Djokovic has a ways to go in slams, and Nadal may take two years to get two more slams.)

(Of course we all know that Fed may have 20 slams or majors, but has not won a single "Grand Slam." Among men only Budge and Laver have.)
 
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If Djokovic ends as no 1 this year then weeks but if nadal then grand slam record could become history but that depends on how his form is next year
 

gn

G.O.A.T.
Neither will happen! The closer they(Djokodal) get to the records, the tougher it becomes.
It is one thing winning a point under normal circumstances but completely different thing during crunch time.

Rafa was very nervous at USO'19 Final against someone who is playing his first Majors Final.
He made a huge mess but got away with it eventually.

He may not win another HC Majors simply because of immense pressure on his shoulder to break Fed's record.
His best chances are at FO 20 & 21. But Thiem is also catching up. So Rafa must win FO'20 to have a chance to break Majors record.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Neither will happen! The closer they(Djokodal) get to the records, the tougher it becomes.
It is one thing winning a point under normal circumstances but completely different thing during crunch time.

Rafa was very nervous at USO'19 Final against someone who is playing his first Majors Final.
He made a huge mess but got away with it eventually.

He may not win another HC Majors simply because of immense pressure on his shoulder to break Fed's record.
His best chances are at FO 20 & 21. But Thiem is also catching up. So Rafa must win FO'20 to have a chance to break Majors record.
Nadal seemed fine until Medvedev started painting the lines.

Actually, if there's something than can save Fed's two main records it is called Daniil Medvedev.
 

Enceladus

Hall of Fame
(Of course we all know that Fed may have 20 slams or majors, but has not won a single "Grand Slam." Among men only Budge and Laver have.)
Today, the term Grand Slam is more often used to designate the category of the most prestigious tennis tournaments than for its original meaning. Today, the term Calendar Year Grand Slam is used to earn all four major titles in one season.
 

BGod

Legend
Weeks at #1 for Novak is a near certainty.

Nadal loses the French and getting 21 is no longer a probability.
 
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