Which one was a better match? W 19 F or USO 19 F?

Which one was a better match?

  • Wimbledon Final 19

    Votes: 39 49.4%
  • USO Final 19

    Votes: 23 29.1%
  • Goffin - Berdych (6-0,6-0)

    Votes: 17 21.5%

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Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
Okay, this question has been heavy on my heart ever since I witnessed that epic 5 hour long drama at USO. So letting it out.

General convention would clearly go with W Final. A 38 yr old GOAT contender going at what could have been dream finale of his glittering career against another GOAT contender. A match full of drama. Two missed match points. Going to maximum length possible with 5th set ending in TB at 12-12. TBs make for lot of drama and this match had three of them. In comparison to this USO final was rather low key. One of the participants was a rookie playing first time major final. Match didn't go the distance as it could have. So pales in comparison.

However, with every repeated viewing I am getting convinced that quality wise USO final would triumph W final rather easily. Though match didn't seem to be as dramatic a W one but Med comeback after being down 2 sets and a break is nothing short than stuff of movies. You throw in shot clock in the final set, when Nadal seems to be playing as much against shot clock as he did against Med, drama quotient go even higher.

But what actually tilts scale in favor of this match, which also makes this match best match of year 2019, is the sheer quality of Tennis 3rd set onwards. Med had got his engine on somewhere in middle of 3rd set, may be triggered by that silly overhead miss by Nadal and after that he was unstoppable. I don't think Nadal could have done much to save that 3rd set. In the final game of 3rd set Med played like a man possessed and bludgeoned ball for back to back forehand down the line winners. As a reward he was able to break Nadal to take the match to 4th set. There were many other moments in the match which would make for the reel of classic tennis moments. Both players were brilliant tactically and kept changing their pattern of play. Nadal brought two outstanding changes which proved to be masterstroke - Sliding wide serve from the ad court on the backhand side of Med and wicked use of slices particularly once he sensed lethargy that Med was showed in getting that 6'6'' down to deal with low slices. On his part Med was very good with droppers and net play and exploited Nadal return position to some extent.

In comparison in W 19 , Djokovic form was just lukewarm only which kind of put a ceiling on the overall quality of the match. He was kind of hanging on in the match most of the time. I don't think there are many shots from the match which will be part of highlight reels for shot-making. Though I agree those two match points that Fed missed will be most watched moments on youtube from year 2019.

I could be little biased here because of the extent to which I was involved emotionally in USO final. But even if I use some discounting factor to offset my obvious bias, I would vote for USO final as the match of the year.
Having watched both finals in full, I can honestly say Wimbledon 2019. Prior to the match, I didn't think Federer had a chance. By the time it got to the 5th set, I couldn't tell who was going to win. With the Nadal match and all the drama, the final result was never in doubt.
 

TearTheRoofOff

Hall of Fame
Slam finals/semifinals played against Big3:

Djokovic 28/61 (45.9%)
Nadal 27/60 (45%)
Federer 29/76 (38.2%)

against Big4:

Djokovic 37/61 (60.7%)
Nadal 33/60 (55%)
Federer 34/76 (44.7%)
Not a particularly revealing stat; Fed's bound to be at the bottom there as he's 5 to 6 years old than the other members. Makes sense than Djokodal might have similar rates.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
USO final had much higher quality, it's not even close. You can talk about drama and history, but if we only discuss level of play then Wimbledon final was nothing special. Djokovic played bad, Federer was too afraid to take advantage of it. During the whole final only for 3 minutes I thought Federer might win it, when he served for the match. When it became 8-8 I knew he was going to lose.
As opposed to the first 4 hours and 50 minutes of the USO final where you knew Nadal was going to lose.
 

Raphael Nadal

Professional
The only way the U.S. final could've been better than Wimbledon is if Medvedev had came back from 2 sets down to win. Instead, he lost like everyone thought he would anyway. It was a good match, but not in the same hemisphere as Djokovic/Federer. Nadal fans celebrate everything as the greatest ever bs just because Nadal was there.
Djokovic/Federer was a higher quality of tennis? :)
 
USO was much higher standard but perhaps not quite as epic as the ramifications of Federer choking were cosmic .

Let’s be honest, Djokovic was woeful in the final . His return wasn’t not working and his serve was poor. The fact he he still won shows how Federer is mentally scarred when facing Djokovic and Nadal at the majors which is evidenced by his combined 8-16 win loss record v both in Majors I think it is.

The Nadal Medvedev match was much higher quality and was very tense but not quite as tense as W. In years to come depending on what Medvedev goes on to achieve that USO final match may go down as greatest match of all time. Time will tell.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Not a particularly revealing stat; Fed's bound to be at the bottom there as he's 5 to 6 years old than the other members. Makes sense than Djokodal might have similar rates.
It reveals that Federer had it easier, having to deal with Big3 less time in his career.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
The wimbledon final had two choked tie breaks, and one seemingly tanked set. The rest of it was great, and the fifth set was iconic, but I think the US Open final's lowest point was the relative conservative nature with which the first set or two were played before the levels got raised. I feel like of the four men that contested those two finals there is only one who will have walked away massively let down with how they played, and he was in the Wimbledon final not the US Open one.
 

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
Having watched both finals in full, I can honestly say Wimbledon 2019. Prior to the match, I didn't think Federer had a chance. By the time it got to the 5th set, I couldn't tell who was going to win. With the Nadal match and all the drama, the final result was never in doubt.
It was very much in doubt when Nadal faced three break points in his first service game of the fifth. It was also in doubt when Medvedev was 40:0 on his serve when the score was 2:2 in the 5th.
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
It was very much in doubt when Nadal faced three break points in his first service game of the fifth. It was also in doubt when Medvedev was 40:0 on his serve when the score was 2:2 in the 5th.
Well how many times has Nadal found himself in similar circumstances and gotten himself out against top opponents. Against Medvedev, I was confident he could do it but I agree that with such fine margins, it could easily have gone the other way.
 

DSH

Hall of Fame
Historical Importance: Wimbledon 2019 Final.
Pure epicity: US Open 2019 Final is already a classic that will be remembered for generations to come.
:D
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Just looking at the stats USO > Wimby. Both RAFA and Sheet were almost +20 in the winners to UFEs ratio. Joker was actually pretty average to below average (only +2 and almost had a 1:1 ace to DF ratio) that entire match which was a big factor in why it went 5 sets. If Joker had played the way he had all tournament leading up to the final, that thing ends in 4.
It was higher level indeed in USO. But I think Novak Federer matches are pretty boring as they dont bring the best out of each other. Rafa has to be involved, intensity always involved and less UE. I am really biased though. I have fallen asleep during Novak Federer matches, even finals.
 

zvelf

Semi-Pro
The USO final was higher quality tennis, but lots of matches have high quality tennis. There's only one match like the 2019 Wimbledon final and that's the 2019 Wimbledon final.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Historical Importance: Wimbledon 2019 Final.
Pure epicity: US Open 2019 Final is already a classic that will be remembered for generations to come.
:D
I swear I will NEVER get tired watching that 5th set!!!!
Its still not properly integrated in all my cells what happened :p Its that big. Think about when he wins 20, 21... Will take me time to fully understand the whole epicness about everything. Been supporting him for so long, and here we are. He is 5 years younger than Fed and only 1 slam away. Its just fantastic. Everything he went through. How he has done this having injuries all this time. Overcome so much. Adapted his game to play longer. Its a lot to grasp.
 
Since I was neutral for the US Open final, I enjoyed it a lot more. From the average start it improved massively. They finished on a very positive note.

Haven't seen the replay of Wimbledon final yet because it was way too stressful for my taste, while I didn't feel it had the highest of qualities that would make me go back and watch again right away.

40-15 tho...
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Difficult to compare.

1. Slam tally relevance. Both were very important, but perhaps a slight edge for W19 because RF had a chance to put himself at a very safe distance away from Novak, and to put Rafa back to three slams behind him.

2. Night matches in the USO are simply more awesome than day matches at Wimby. A fact that no amount of British media hype can change. Wimby finale had a great atmosphere but not as good.

3. W19 was about the better player not winning despite leading most of the time, while USO19 was about the favourite giving up a huge lead and having to deal with an opponent that got better and better. Both scenarios are interesting but W19 perhaps a bit more fascinating coz we actually had a slam finale in which the weaker player won. Novak wasn´t on his usual level, while RF played great.

4. The level of tennis was excellent in both.

5. As for crowds, the fan bias of the crowd made the London crowd even more annoying than the USO crowd, which is quite a feat.

Overall both equally great.
 

zep

Hall of Fame
US Open 2019 and it's not particularly close. US Open 2019 had epic rallies, net game (40% points were played at the net), change of tactics (Rafa won the match with serve an volley, go figure!) and a higher level of tennis throughout. The Wimbledon final had great drama in the 5th set but it was an error filled average quality match otherwise.
 

ForumMember

Hall of Fame
US Open 2019 and it's not particularly close. US Open 2019 had epic rallies, net game (40% points were played at the net), change of tactics (Rafa won the match with serve an volley, go figure!) and a higher level of tennis throughout. The Wimbledon final had great drama in the 5th set but it was an error filled average quality match otherwise.
Yes. Though most likely W 19 final will be remembered more (Definiteky if Fed doesn't win any more W), I am very sure tennis quality wise that includes not just the shotmaking but tactical changes and temperament, USO 19 was streets ahead. If Medvedev goes on to become win few grand slams than this match will grow in stature as well.
 
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