MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Stay pressed. Slay. Have several seats.
Bring out the whole repertoire mate. You've still misread me and still look like a fool.
Yeah someone is looking quite foolish this morning indeed
Stay pressed. Slay. Have several seats.
Bring out the whole repertoire mate. You've still misread me and still look like a fool.
Yeah someone is looking quite foolish this morning indeed
It's the afternoon over here
The position of your clock hands is irrelevant to the massive L you just took
Must be the early hours of the morning for you because you're still dreaming lol.
It was ridiculous. We just can't prove whether it was more ridiculous than other GOATS on their preferred surfaces.Oh it's definitely what you were saying lol. Why have to admit how ridiculous what Nadal did is for once?
It was ridiculous. We just can't prove whether it was more ridiculous than other GOATS on their preferred surfaces.
I am not a Rafael fan but cmon, the dude hits heights on clay that are almost impossible for others to dream of on any surface.
Pick any great match of his on clay.
Federer USO 2004 F first and third set is great but his second set level had a dip,and honestly Hewitt was flat. 2007 AO Roddick one is way more Roddick playing absolutely stupid then Federer playing great . Djokovic's 2016 AO SF had a dip too and it even became competitive in the 4th.Doha 2016 Nadal was hitting 3-4 short balls in a row.
The debate that Federer on fast surfaces might have peaked as high or higher as Nadal on clay is getting me thinking.
Too boring nowdays but on a serious with that comment.Man is about to bait.
Man is about to bait.
No one was invalidating clay though.We don't have to prove it lol its a more than valid opinion and constantly brushing things off bc Nadal did them on clay on this forum is tired af.
I think this match is every bit as good as Safin's mythical peak at the AO but this opinion will get me tarred and feathered on TTW.
Finally you guys are at the recieving end of the Hypothetical Fed's wrath. LolWe don't have to prove it lol its a more than valid opinion and constantly brushing things off bc Nadal did them on clay on this forum is tired af. The post above is a perfect example lol, oh but Fed beat Hewitt, hide ya kids, hide ya wife!!
I agree with the idea of pointing out these shortcomings from the dominated players, but let's do the same for 2008 RG F Fed too. He played clueless and toothless tennis that day with zero strategy. He kamikaze-approached like Roddick LOL.I am not a Rafael fan but cmon, the dude hits heights on clay that are almost impossible for others to dream of on any surface.
Pick any great match of his on clay.
Federer USO 2004 F first and third set is great but his second set level had a dip,and honestly Hewitt was flat. 2007 AO Roddick one is way more Roddick playing absolutely stupid then Federer playing great . Djokovic's 2016 AO SF had a dip too and it even became competitive in the 4th.Doha 2016 Nadal was hitting 3-4 short balls in a row.
Finally you guys are at the recieving end of the Hypothetical Fed's wrath. Lol
I thought you never cared for peak debates?I mean when its valid its valid but omg lol. The dude didn't beat Nadal in a BO5 for TEN YEARS and somehow Rafa wasn't impressive
I thought you never cared for peak debates?
Well this year you have changed quite a bit and seem more serious in these debatesI care for the truth
No one was invalidating clay though.
The surfaces being different does matter in this debate though. Yes, what Nadal did on clay was ridiculous, but others on HC and grass also had ridiculous performances. The absurdity of those performances is just harder to replicate than on clay because all 3 surfaces have different traits.
Well this year you have changed quite a bit and seem more serious in these debates
I just wanna say, that avatar is sick LOLI care for the truth acting like Nadal wasn't peak af during the 08 FO is just sheer nonsense.
A slight dip in intensity against a Djokovic playing lights out tennis.You said earlier in Nadal's most impressive 2008 match he had a dip right? The opponents ability to hang with you and the help they get from the surface also help.
I am not disputing that for 2003 F. Scud was kinda treeing, but Fed was stellar in the 2nd, when he got a look on his opponent's serve.Flip side on grass against a good server, to an extent, the game is not totally in your hands even if you're playing GOAT'ing tennis
NatF is a good poster. I do think some guys like the slander Nadal thoughThat's just fine with me Nadal slander will no longer be tolerated
I like MN. But yeah, the guy overreacted for no reason here.Yeah, it was just a comment on getting more dominant scorelines on clay. But sadly that goes over the heads of some people, that guy cupping Rafa's cheeks 24/7 is probably why the Golden Bull needs to adjust his shorts so much...
I just wanna say, that avatar is sick LOL
LOL!!! That gif has everythingThat's just fine with me Nadal slander will no longer be tolerated
i'm sure there must be a way to prove it with a few geometrical means, ELO rankings, ATG rice crispies and, of course, a fistful of lewberries and/or spencerberriesMurray.
Rank | Player | Opponent | Date | Tournament | Surface | W/L | Service Points Won % |
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1 | Novak Djokovic | Rafael Nadal | 14-01-2019 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 81.2% |
2 | Pete Sampras | Cedric Pioline | 23-06-1997 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 81.1% |
3 | Roger Federer | Fernando Gonzalez | 15-01-2007 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 80.2% |
4 | Roger Federer | Mark Philippoussis | 23-06-2003 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 79.6% |
5 | Rafael Nadal | Kevin Anderson | 28-08-2017 | US Open | Hard | W | 79.2% |
6 | Roger Federer | Andy Roddick | 22-06-2009 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 78.7% |
7 | Roger Federer | Marin Cilic | 03-07-2017 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 78.6% |
8 | Roger Federer | Robin Soderling | 25-05-2009 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 78.5% |
8 | Roger Federer | Andy Roddick | 20-06-2005 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 78.5% |
10 | Andy Roddick | Juan Carlos Ferrero | 25-08-2003 | US Open | Hard | W | 78.2% |
Rank | Player | Opponent | Date | Tournament | Surface | W/L | Return Points Won % |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Rafael Nadal | Roger Federer | 25-05-2008 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 59.7% |
2 | Andre Agassi | Rainer Schuettler | 13-01-2003 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 56.9% |
3 | Lleyton Hewitt | David Nalbandian | 24-06-2002 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 56.2% |
4 | Petr Korda | Marcelo Rios | 19-01-1998 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 54.5% |
5 | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer | 27-05-2013 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 54.1% |
6 | Jim Courier | Petr Korda | 25-05-1992 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 53.8% |
7 | Roger Federer | Lleyton Hewitt | 30-08-2004 | US Open | Hard | W | 53.3% |
8 | Juan Carlos Ferrero | Martin Verkerk | 26-05-2003 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 53.0% |
9 | Albert Costa | Juan Carlos Ferrero | 27-05-2002 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 52.3% |
10 | Novak Djokovic | Andy Murray | 17-01-2011 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 51.4% |
Rank | Player | Opponent | Date | Tournament | Surface | W/L | Total Points Won % |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Andre Agassi | Rainer Schuettler | 13-01-2003 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 65.0% |
2 | Rafael Nadal | Roger Federer | 25-05-2008 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 63.9% |
3 | Novak Djokovic | Rafael Nadal | 14-01-2019 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 62.7% |
4 | Pete Sampras | Carlos Moya | 13-01-1997 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 62.3% |
5 | Rafael Nadal | Stan Wawrinka | 29-05-2017 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 62.3% |
6 | Stefan Edberg | Jim Courier | 26-08-1991 | US Open | Hard | W | 61.9% |
7 | Roger Federer | Lleyton Hewitt | 30-08-2004 | US Open | Hard | W | 61.0% |
8 | Petr Korda | Marcelo Rios | 19-01-1998 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 60.5% |
9 | Patrick Rafter | Mark Philippoussis | 31-08-1998 | US Open | Hard | W | 60.3% |
10 | Lleyton Hewitt | David Nalbandian | 24-06-2002 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 60.1% |
11 | Juan Carlos Ferrero | Martin Verkerk | 26-05-2003 | Roland Garros | Clay | W | 60.0% |
11 | Roger Federer | Marin Cilic | 03-07-2017 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 60.0% |
Rank | Player | Opponent | Date | Tournament | Surface | W/L | Total Points Won |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Roger Federer | Andy Roddick | 22-06-2009 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 223 |
2 | Roger Federer | Novak Djokovic | 01-07-2019 | Wimbledon | Grass | L | 218 |
3 | Andy Roddick | Roger Federer | 22-06-2009 | Wimbledon | Grass | L | 213 |
4 | Rafael Nadal | Roger Federer | 23-06-2008 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 209 |
5 | Novak Djokovic | Roger Federer | 01-07-2019 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 204 |
5 | Pete Sampras | Goran Ivanisevic | 22-06-1998 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 204 |
5 | Roger Federer | Rafael Nadal | 23-06-2008 | Wimbledon | Grass | L | 204 |
8 | Goran Ivanisevic | Pete Sampras | 22-06-1998 | Wimbledon | Grass | L | 200 |
9 | Goran Ivanisevic | Andre Agassi | 22-06-1992 | Wimbledon | Grass | L | 195 |
10 | Novak Djokovic | Rafael Nadal | 16-01-2012 | Australian Open | Hard | W | 193 |
11 | Novak Djokovic | Roger Federer | 23-06-2014 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 186 |
12 | Juan Martin Del Potro | Roger Federer | 31-08-2009 | US Open | Hard | W | 180 |
12 | Roger Federer | Novak Djokovic | 23-06-2014 | Wimbledon | Grass | L | 180 |
14 | Andre Agassi | Goran Ivanisevic | 22-06-1992 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 179 |
15 | Pete Sampras | Boris Becker | 26-06-1995 | Wimbledon | Grass | W | 177 |
A slight dip in intensity against a Djokovic playing lights out tennis.
1st set of 2003 Wimb semi was just plain worse from both Fed and Roddick levelwise. Same for the 1st set of AO 07 semi or 2nd set of USO 04 final.
I guess the match against Ancic at Wimb 06 was Fed's most consistent performance.
I am not disputing that for 2003 F. Scud was kinda treeing, but Fed was stellar in the 2nd, when he got a look on his opponent's serve.
Anyway, the argument it's probably semantics at this point, so I will leave it there. You think it's a bit fuzzy, I think it's a bit more clear who played the best match, neither are outlandish opinions.
Not a single match, but a tournament. But I'll include it anyway, because peak Nalbandian can beat peak everyone else
The F##K is that BH ? It's like a second FH with even more acute angles.Not a single match, but a tournament. But I'll include it anyway, because peak Nalbandian can beat peak everyone else
And which match was it? Let’s say any surface. So if a surface ‘encourages’ higher level of tennis then so be it.
I do think some guys like the slander Nadal though
IMO, Nalbandian GOAT's 2HBH was like a left handed pendulum FH.Now that , that is something. That BH looks like it can go everywhere and at any angle. Impossible mastery over that wing.
True tennis fans remember Murray bringing a typhoon to court against Nadal in 2011.Murray Tokyo?
Neither of the bolded were played on indoor HC. YEC those 2 years was an outdoor event.clay: Nadal RG 08 SF/F
grass: fed Wim 03 SF,Wim 05 F,Wim 06 QF,Sampras Wim 99 F
outdoor HC: fed USO 04 F, fed AO 07 SF, djokovic AO 16 SF
indoor HC: fed YEC 03 F, fed YEC 04 F, sampras YEC 99 F